How do we protect kids in school?

How do we protect kids in school?

There are 6103 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Jan 8, 2013, titled How do we protect kids in school?. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

During a newsroom discussion about guns about a decade ago, a woman piped up: "I don't understand what the big deal is.

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Since: May 10

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#43 Jan 13, 2013
xando wrote:
Sorry cn but i am correct. Give examples to disprove that.
No need, because your statement is ludicrous.
El Chingon

United States

#44 Jan 14, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
The way we protect kids at school is the same way we protect the President, congresspeople, banks, malls, etc:
With armed adults.
Advertising schools to be "Gun Free Zones" only lets the crazies know that the people within are "sitting ducks".
Allowing teachers to be trained to carry if they choose, and providing armed guards if necessary, are what's needed to protect schools.
The first target of any deranged shooter is usually the armed guard.

Taft HS in Ca, had an armed guard but he was absent during last week's shooting.

The only person who was able to disarm the student was a trained teacher who made it a point to be friends with all his students including the shooter, whom talked him into disarming with reasoning and understanding. You can't solve violence with violence.
food for thought

Huntsville, AL

#45 Jan 14, 2013
all the "facts" of this case, we hear about on the news. the same news that is owned by four or six companies. the same four or six companies that own basically every company that produces everything from the microwave shit you eat to the toilet paper you use to wipe that shit off your ass, who are tied up w/ our government through the FCC and lobbyists, etc. the same companies who are in the business of creating "reality" shows and sitcoms. the same companies who bombard you with commercials and try to influence your daily behavior, and keep you hooked on their products.

honeybooboo's parents sold her out for a paycheck, don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that there are hundreds of thousands of parents who would sign up in a heartbeat to do the same thing.

i am not saying it is a conspiracy, or isn't, but i think grim is onto something. i also think it's just as likely to be a conspiracy as it is that a 1%er exwife of a ceo had an armory full of weapons, and her 90 lb weakling son was able to carry so much ammo and shoot so many children with military precision, leaving no survivors. the story smells a little fishy.

how do we protect kids? how bout we scrap gym class for shooting lessons?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#46 Jan 14, 2013
El Chingon wrote:
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The first target of any deranged shooter is usually the armed guard.
Taft HS in Ca, had an armed guard but he was absent during last week's shooting.
The only person who was able to disarm the student was a trained teacher who made it a point to be friends with all his students including the shooter, whom talked him into disarming with reasoning and understanding. You can't solve violence with violence.
If the first target is the armed guard, then it is incumbent upon the armed guard to remain alert and ready at all times. That is why teachers and school administrators should be allowed their 2nd Amendment Constitutional right to carry a firearm if they so choose. The deranged shooter simply does not know who is armed and who is not..thus, there can be no specific target to "neutralize" before a killing spree.

When the violence is limited and targeted at a specific person perhaps talking can work, as it did in Taft. The student targeted a specific person as a bully, and once that bully was shot, the shooter's job was essentially done. But when the violence is random and widespread, no, talking will not work. The only thing that will stop the kind of violence seen in Sandy Hook or Columbine is immediate armed response.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#47 Jan 14, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
Allowing teachers to be trained to carry if they choose, and providing armed guards if necessary, are what's needed to protect schools.
I've read previous comments from you bashing the capabilities of our "trained" teachers. Aren't you afraid teachers are too stupid to be trained to take out a high capacity AR carrying insane person? And, perhaps with just a concealed carry type of weapon-damn, I don't know any highly trained SWAT officer that would take that on. Or do you want each teacher to have a 30 round 223 AR slung over their shoulder at all times?

Further, I'm sure you're familiar with our school campuses here in Farmington. None are conducive to providing the type of security needed to protect the entire campus with just one guard. At least two and perhaps more,are needed, depending on the main class rooms as well as remotes. And what about recess and PE? After school functions- sports and such? We must be thorough with this, don't you think? Not just feel good shite, like the politicians would do but real protection.
Further, I've read previous statements from you regarding how over taxed you are. Are you sure you're willing to foot the extra cost of this security?
Just some thoughts.
No pants Bob

Ocala, FL

#48 Jan 14, 2013
Just take your kids out and home school them.

SHUT DOWN ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!!!!
more food for thought

Huntsville, AL

#49 Jan 14, 2013
public schools are close enough to prisons anyway, why not just combine the two? lock em down, toss up some watchtowers, a sniper or two.. more chickenwire. bam. safe kids. hell why not just lock up everybody??

seriously, i was checking into statistics about gun murders, and it turns out that 100% of ALL murders and ALL rapes and EVERY SINGLE violent crime are ALL committed by humans. why ban guns when we can make humans illegal?
Grimreaper

Buffalo, TX

#50 Jan 14, 2013
Well its starting to look like we got nothing to worry about unless your a parent whom is getting ready to testify.Against the worlds richest scum,if your getting getting ready to drop a dime on bank of america,or goldman sachs and similar scum then maybe you should make sure your children are hidden first might be a good idea.Our nation is 16 trillion or so in dead,but keep in mind the rothschild family is worth 500 trillion,estimated,who do you think is in control?
Wondering

Huntington Beach, CA

#51 Jan 14, 2013
more food for thought wrote:
public schools are close enough to prisons anyway, why not just combine the two? lock em down, toss up some watchtowers, a sniper or two.. more chickenwire. bam. safe kids. hell why not just lock up everybody??
seriously, i was checking into statistics about gun murders, and it turns out that 100% of ALL murders and ALL rapes and EVERY SINGLE violent crime are ALL committed by humans. why ban guns when we can make humans illegal?
Have you had any FOOD lately? From reading your post, it is clear that you have not have had a logical THOUHGT is years!!!!
Loved

Los Lunas, NM

#52 Jan 18, 2013
1 John 3:1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.

Since: Jan 13

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#53 Jan 18, 2013
The only gun control that actually works is no guns.
xando

Phoenix, AZ

#54 Jan 27, 2013
Loved wrote:
1 John 3:1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
I'm sure you mean well, but can you please explain what you're getting at here?

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#55 Jan 28, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
Allowing teachers to be trained to carry if they choose, and providing armed guards if necessary, are what's needed to protect schools.
Cary, anyone who has been a teacher knows this is an insane idea.

1. There is no closet, classroom, desk, drawer, filing cabinet, or storage unit that students won't get into if they want to. To secure a gun on campus it would have to be locked up, unloaded, in a gun safe, with a trigger lock to be safe from the kids. What good is that going to do when 20 children were killed in the space of 120 seconds at Sandy Hook?

2. Teachers, trained for years to preserve and cherish children, would have difficulty shooting ANYONE, much less another child. They'd want to talk. They'd hesitate. They'd get killed and usually do.

3. Even trained police officers find that their reactions and bodies do strange things in shooting situations. According to the recent issue of Time magazine, a police officer who teaches shooting skills said that even experienced police officers don't know how they will react.

4. Every teacher I know has been attacked by a student at some point in their career. Often the student was intoxicated, on drugs, or impaired in other ways. Sometimes the student was suffering mental issues. How long do you think it would be before some teacher felt their life was in danger and "Trayvon Martin"ed a kid? One week? One month?

More guns equals more deaths. It's that simple.(See: Japan)

With 30,000 Americans dying from gun violence each year, the last thing we need is more guns or guns in schools.

When Prohibition made gangs much worse, we repealed it. Well, gun deaths are much worse.

If we were sane, we'd repeal the second amendment.
xando

Phoenix, AZ

#56 Jan 28, 2013
Saint, what an incredibly eloquent post.
Straight Shooter

Puebla, Mexico

#57 Jan 29, 2013
What has eloquency got to do with facts? The facts are that when unarmed and confronted with an armed attack there arent any good solutions. But the quickest and surest is to disable the aggresor. Calling and waiting on a man with a gun isnt the correct answer. Hiding in closets doesnt always work. God knows hereding children into a confined area and waiting like sitting ducks isnt the answer. The answer is to shoot the sob and shoot him quick. Quit making excuses why this is a bad idea. When all the other ideas stem around someone doing what should be done to start with. Most of the crazy mass murderers end up committing suicide and if not finally a man with a gun shoots thier ass. Stop taking a cowards way out and putting the pressure on that armed law enforcement officer when you yourself or another citizen can most certainly do that job when needed. Had there been one single citizen armed with firearms training or self engrained skills Adam Lanza could have been stopped. And stopped DEAD! Every citizen has the God given right if not the obligation to stop a madman such as Lanza. And I might add it would have given me sincere satisfaction to do just that!
Straight Shooter

Puebla, Mexico

#58 Jan 29, 2013
I might add in all probability had Lanza been confronted by an armed individual he most likely would have shot himself anyway. I desperately hope nothing as tragic as this ever happens again. But if it should. May the first teacher or principal reach into their purse or holster and confront the lunatic with superior training and firepower. That would put an end to all the hoopla about firearms once and for all. An armed citizenry is a polite one.
xando

Peoria, AZ

#59 Jan 30, 2013
You've been watching too many movies.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#60 Jan 30, 2013
The answer to protecting our children is simple really. Banning weapons and tools is an exercise in futility. It's reactionary. Arming teachers and guards at our schools is only minimally better than banning weapons and tools. It's also reactionary. We need to be proactive. The answer is detecting and controlling or eliminating psycho killers BEFORE they strike. The vast majority of psycho dirt bags give signs and exhibit behavior that are precursors to their heinous acts. You can bet your last dollar that SOMEONE knew Lanza was unhinged and dangerous but did nothing about it. The wacko at Ft. Hood had been exhibiting behavior and signs that should have been heeded before he acted. We need to develop a way of defusing or eliminating such individuals BEFORE anyone gets hurt or killed. That is where we should direct our efforts. IMHO.

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#61 Jan 30, 2013
Straight Shooter wrote:
An armed citizenry is a polite one.
With 30,000 Americans dead of gun violence a year, your statement is a joke. Nobody's being polite with guns, we're killing twice as much every three years than we did in all the decade of Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined. It's like fighting a Korean war here in the states every three years = 100,000 dead.

That's not polite...it's detestable and abhorrent.

The constitution says a "well regulated militia." Well guns sure aren't well regulated and I'm positive that someone as rabid as yourself doesn't have the self-discipline to be in a militia, so YOU are in violation of the Constitution.

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#62 Jan 30, 2013
1. We make people have insurance to drive a car because a car can cause deadly damage. Why not make gun owners be insured? The worse damage their gun can cause, the higher the premiums. People who are shot or families that lose someone can collect damages to pay for medical and funerals.

2. Raise the price of bullets to $1,000 a bullet. That will keep people from using them randomly. Hunters will be more careful, and guns won't be used except for necessity.

3. You have to be trained to drive a car and pass a safety exam. Then you get a license. Why not do the same for gun owners? You'd weed out the crazies and train the amateurs at the same time. There's literally nothing else in our society that is dangerous that you don't have to be licensed and certified for.

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