How do we protect kids in school?

How do we protect kids in school?

There are 6103 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Jan 8, 2013, titled How do we protect kids in school?. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

During a newsroom discussion about guns about a decade ago, a woman piped up: "I don't understand what the big deal is.

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factologist

Huntsville, AL

#278 Feb 15, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>No need for name calling. You're not making it harder for bad guys to get guns, you're making it harder for honest law abiding citizens to get guns. The bad guys don't care what legislation is enacted, they'll ignore it along with all of the other laws they disregard. If you come up with a gun control plan that only affects those who commit crimes I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you and defend it. However, I will fight against any action that penalizes or restricts the honest law abiding American gun owner. I'm not going down. As a matter of fact I'm not going anywhere nor am I going to surrender any of my arms or rights. Molon Labe!
You're going down, sir. You're right. I do apologize.
And, I won't have to come after your guns. The issue will become moot in 50, 75, 100 years, perhaps, but it will become moot. Same as other issues of times gone by. Eventually, civilized thinking wins out.
In the mean time, make sure your guns stay out of the bad guys hands. I'm sure you will.(I have a good friend who lost a very nice 1911 in a car jacking.)

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#279 Feb 15, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>You're going down, sir. You're right. I do apologize.
And, I won't have to come after your guns. The issue will become moot in 50, 75, 100 years, perhaps, but it will become moot. Same as other issues of times gone by. Eventually, civilized thinking wins out.
In the mean time, make sure your guns stay out of the bad guys hands. I'm sure you will.(I have a good friend who lost a very nice 1911 in a car jacking.)
Civilized thinking will eventually win out? Well yeah!! It sure will! Just as soon as we find a way to control the uncivilized criminals and psychos who commit heinous crimes. Guns will still be around, they're useful tools.(I have a good friend who used his Springfield Armory clone of that same weapon to stop an armed robbery and he didn't need to pull the trigger.) Rest assured, I will protect my weapons, and everything else that belongs to me, from the bad guys and you to the best of my considerable ability.

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#280 Feb 15, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Do we know that she was aware of her son's intentions/problems or how serious they were? She was his first victim, how culpable could she possibly be? Do we know that the weapons were readily accessible? Or were they locked up in a gun safe and he had to kill her to get the key? I doesn't really matter. I find it completely ludicrous that you hold a murder/robbery victim responsible for crimes committed by her murderer. That just takes the cake. You have a very distorted view of things.
She was totally aware of his mental illness and as understand it she was seeking help for him. She is the one that purchased the weapons of mass destruction and took him to the range. Obviously the guns were not secure.

He had recently been denied the purchase of a gun.

Your [he killed her to get the key] holds no water. She was killed while sleeping. It's obvious that he already had the weapon.

Yes she is also most assuredly culpable. She raised him, taught him to shoot and supplied the means to carry out the slaughter at Newtown. All this knowing he was mentally disturbed.

Most safes are opened with combinations not keys.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#281 Feb 15, 2013
bleeding heart liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
She was totally aware of his mental illness and as understand it she was seeking help for him. She is the one that purchased the weapons of mass destruction and took him to the range. Obviously the guns were not secure.
He had recently been denied the purchase of a gun.
Your [he killed her to get the key] holds no water. She was killed while sleeping. It's obvious that he already had the weapon.
Yes she is also most assuredly culpable. She raised him, taught him to shoot and supplied the means to carry out the slaughter at Newtown. All this knowing he was mentally disturbed.
Most safes are opened with combinations not keys.
The only thing I agree with you on is if she was aware of his mental issues. I was asking questions, I didn't know they needed to hold water.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#282 Feb 16, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text> (I have a good friend who used his Springfield Armory clone of that same weapon to stop an armed robbery and he didn't need to pull the trigger.)
I wonder how those bad guys got there weapon(s). Probably stole'em during a house burglary, don't you think?
Your friend may not be so lucky the next time. Still think one is better off with a 12 ga. To each his own, I suppose.
So you would kill someone protecting my property? Please don't. I have no "stuff" worth killing over. As for protecting myself or family, I've done the best I can to be secure but there is always, and always will be, someone out there....Probably with a gun, already at the ready, etc.
The guns have got to go!
The best way to combat a bad guy with a gun is to not let him have a gun. In the mean time, get a shot gun and keep your doors and windows locked and hope for the best.(BTW, the last part of my advice-"hope for the best"-applies every time you drive a car. Your chances of getting injured or killed by some driver other than yourself, far exceed some bad guy shooting you. That is, unless you live in some high crime area.
Tray

New Albany, MS

#283 Feb 16, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, I've the right plan. We'll take one of the real gun-nut states, like Kentucky or Tennessee and we'll build a big razor wire fence all around it. Then we'll advertise free ARs and ammo for criminals and nut-jobs only. Then when they come in to get them, we'll quickly shut the gate on them. And we'll do that every day for as long as mankind is on the Earth.
Hurrah! I've done it.
Focused, focused, focused,........
Already tried. Haven't you heard of Australia?
Tray

New Albany, MS

#284 Feb 16, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder how those bad guys got there weapon(s). Probably stole'em during a house burglary, don't you think?
Your friend may not be so lucky the next time. Still think one is better off with a 12 ga. To each his own, I suppose.
So you would kill someone protecting my property? Please don't. I have no "stuff" worth killing over. As for protecting myself or family, I've done the best I can to be secure but there is always, and always will be, someone out there....Probably with a gun, already at the ready, etc.
The guns have got to go!
The best way to combat a bad guy with a gun is to not let him have a gun. In the mean time, get a shot gun and keep your doors and windows locked and hope for the best.(BTW, the last part of my advice-"hope for the best"-applies every time you drive a car. Your chances of getting injured or killed by some driver other than yourself, far exceed some bad guy shooting you. That is, unless you live in some high crime area.
That also has been tried in the UK and Australia who both have higher crime rates than the U.S. Any other stupid crap you know nothing about you want to comment on, like maybe brain surgery or astro physics or how to tie your shoes? Sorry but I am not a gambling person. I prefer to place all the advantage in my favor including the death of me or an attacker.
xando

United States

#285 Feb 16, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>I have a good friend who used his Springfield Armory clone of that same weapon to stop an armed robbery and he didn't need to pull the trigger.)
For every example such as this, there is an opposite.

My cousin lives in the country; he always carries a gun, as do many people in that state.

He came home one day to find a couple of good ol' boy's blocking the entrance to his property. When they wouldn't leave my cuz flashed his weapon. Well, it didn't faze good ol'boys who pulled their sawed off shotguns and robbed him blind.

If possessing weapons is such a deterrent, why isn't crime decreasing? Gub'ment hasn't confiscated you law abiding citizens' guns. More people in the US own guns than ever before.

The hunker down attitude you nuts have is more one of your wet dreams than anything else. The vast majority of people have never and never will be victims of home invasion crime.

BUT suicides among "law abiding" gun owners is high.

You live in a fantasy world.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#286 Feb 16, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Already tried. Haven't you heard of Australia?
You're running for idiot of the year, aren't you? Haven't you ever heard of "pulling someones leg"?
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#287 Feb 16, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> That also has been tried in the UK and Australia who both have higher crime rates than the U.S. Any other stupid crap you know nothing about you want to comment on, like maybe brain surgery or astro physics or how to tie your shoes? Sorry but I am not a gambling person. I prefer to place all the advantage in my favor including the death of me or an attacker.
Yep, you're in the running alright.
Tray

New Albany, MS

#288 Feb 16, 2013
xando wrote:
<quoted text>
For every example such as this, there is an opposite.
My cousin lives in the country; he always carries a gun, as do many people in that state.
He came home one day to find a couple of good ol' boy's blocking the entrance to his property. When they wouldn't leave my cuz flashed his weapon. Well, it didn't faze good ol'boys who pulled their sawed off shotguns and robbed him blind.
If possessing weapons is such a deterrent, why isn't crime decreasing? Gub'ment hasn't confiscated you law abiding citizens' guns. More people in the US own guns than ever before.
The hunker down attitude you nuts have is more one of your wet dreams than anything else. The vast majority of people have never and never will be victims of home invasion crime.
BUT suicides among "law abiding" gun owners is high.
You live in a fantasy world.
Showing a gun is not how it works. Obviously idiot is in your family genes. Suicide is much much higher in Japan where guns are banned. You did do research before posting didn't you? Obviously not. Gun ownership homes are one third as likely to be robbed than non gun owner homes. You did check facts first didn't you? Guess not. So just how is it in fantasy world?
Tray

New Albany, MS

#289 Feb 16, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>You're running for idiot of the year, aren't you? Haven't you ever heard of "pulling someones leg"?
Keep your hands off my leg.
xando

United States

#290 Feb 16, 2013
Good lord.

How unrealistic are these gun nuts??!? People have been purchasing guns, using guns, carrying guns, and keeping guns in their homes from the formation of America.....at a higher rate now than ever. Where are these nuts getting the idea they are under attack?

It's ignorant and makes no sense. Of course, this crew is a-hankerin' for a fight where they can play shoot 'em up, so logic is not their strong point.
xando

United States

#291 Feb 16, 2013
Idiot.

By "showing the gun," I meant he pulled it, but as is often the case with idiots (like you) who own guns, their guns don't protect them.

Japan's gun suicide attempts are infinitesimal compared to the US.

Are you saying idiots should not own guns? How do you decide who the idiots are?
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Showing a gun is not how it works. Obviously idiot is in your family genes. Suicide is much much higher in Japan where guns are banned. You did do research before posting didn't you? Obviously not. Gun ownership homes are one third as likely to be robbed than non gun owner homes. You did check facts first didn't you? Guess not. So just how is it in fantasy world?

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#292 Feb 16, 2013
xando wrote:
Good lord.
How unrealistic are these gun nuts??!? People have been purchasing guns, using guns, carrying guns, and keeping guns in their homes from the formation of America.....at a higher rate now than ever. Where are these nuts getting the idea they are under attack?
It's ignorant and makes no sense. Of course, this crew is a-hankerin' for a fight where they can play shoot 'em up, so logic is not their strong point.
Haven't you been reading Factologist's posts? There are those who want guns outlawed, period. Not restricted, not controlled, completely banned. They work diligently at chipping away at the second amendment using every tiny little little crevice to pry away another little piece of our rights. If they succeed in getting a ban or new legislation enacted it is nothing more than a precedent for their next assault. What part of "Shall on be infringed" don't you people understand? It ain't rocket science. We already have thousands of "gun laws" on the books (all of which are unconstitutional in their blanket application to honest citizens) and they have done nothing to stop criminals and psychos from getting guns. What makes you think that another law will have any affect at all on the lawless? They will ignore this one just like they do all of the others. How about trying a ban on criminals and psychos?
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#293 Feb 16, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Showing a gun is not how it works. Obviously idiot is in your family genes. Suicide is much much higher in Japan where guns are banned. You did do research before posting didn't you?
Yep, you've got my vote. Xando said "suicides among "law abiding" gun owners is high".
Have someone read this to you.
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/...
Gun ownership homes are one third as likely to be robbed than non gun owner homes. You did check facts first didn't you? Guess not. So just how is it in fantasy world?
Need to see your data source for this stat. Most home robberies occur when people are gone, I would wager.
http://crimeinamerica.net/2010/09/30/28-perce...

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#294 Feb 16, 2013
xando wrote:
<quoted text>
For every example such as this, there is an opposite.
My cousin lives in the country; he always carries a gun, as do many people in that state.
He came home one day to find a couple of good ol' boy's blocking the entrance to his property. When they wouldn't leave my cuz flashed his weapon. Well, it didn't faze good ol'boys who pulled their sawed off shotguns and robbed him blind.
If possessing weapons is such a deterrent, why isn't crime decreasing? Gub'ment hasn't confiscated you law abiding citizens' guns. More people in the US own guns than ever before.
The hunker down attitude you nuts have is more one of your wet dreams than anything else. The vast majority of people have never and never will be victims of home invasion crime.
BUT suicides among "law abiding" gun owners is high.
You live in a fantasy world.
You never draw your weapon unless you intend to shoot. If that intent is enough to disarm the situation, great. If not......don't hesitate. There would have been two dead yahoos to clean up and a new shotgun in my collection if it had been me. But then I would have NEVER used my weapon in an attempt to intimidate unarmed individuals, however the instant they reached for a weapon I'd legally have shot them both dead. One is ONLY justified in using deadly force when threatened with deadly force. There's no half-stepping in a lethal confrontation (with or without weapons). Your cousin got an education he should have gotten before this happened. He's lucky it didn't cost him his life. Not many gun owners are as inept and foolish as your cousin. I don't know if you're living in a fantasy world or not but you sure don't know much about the real world.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#295 Feb 16, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Haven't you been reading Factologist's posts? There are those who want guns outlawed, period. Not restricted, not controlled, completely banned.
I keep telling you banned is not the correct word. Unavailable for private ownership is what I advocate.
They work diligently at chipping away at the second amendment using every tiny little little crevice to pry away another little piece of our rights.
You ain't seen nothing yet. Hopefully!
If they succeed in getting a ban or new legislation enacted it is nothing more than a precedent for their next assault.
We can only hope and work hard.
What part of "Shall on be infringed" don't you people understand?
I think the actual verbiage is;A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." If you want "arms" join the National Guard. It ain't rocket science.
We already have thousands of "gun laws" on the books (all of which are unconstitutional in their blanket application to honest citizens) and they have done nothing to stop criminals and psychos from getting guns.
Where are these thousands of gun laws.
What makes you think that another law will have any affect at all on the lawless? They will ignore this one just like they do all of the others. How about trying a ban on criminals and psychos?
If you're trying to sway public opinion to your way of thinking, this argument isn't working. The last part is just silly; juvenile even.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#296 Feb 16, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>You never draw your weapon unless you intend to shoot. If that intent is enough to disarm the situation, great. If not......don't hesitate. There would have been two dead yahoos to clean up and a new shotgun in my collection if it had been me. But then I would have NEVER used my weapon in an attempt to intimidate unarmed individuals, however the instant they reached for a weapon I'd legally have shot them both dead. One is ONLY justified in using deadly force when threatened with deadly force. There's no half-stepping in a lethal confrontation (with or without weapons). Your cousin got an education he should have gotten before this happened. He's lucky it didn't cost him his life. Not many gun owners are as inept and foolish as your cousin. I don't know if you're living in a fantasy world or not but you sure don't know much about the real world.
My goodness. You are sounding like a real psycho. We need to get you off the streets! If I knew you, I would turn you over to Big Brother.
xando

United States

#297 Feb 16, 2013
LOLOL! You don't have a clue what you're talking about. HAHAHAHA. In fact, you sound like the fool you are. How do you know everything that transpired withh my cousin? I merely gave a skeletal description. You're simply creating a scenario that is palatable to you.

I'lll create my own--knowing the situation and knowing my cousin AND knowing the good ol boys, I predict they would have wiped the floor with you, because your wet dream swaggering is nothing more than a fantasy in your own head.
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>You never draw your weapon unless you intend to shoot. If that intent is enough to disarm the situation, great. If not......don't hesitate. There would have been two dead yahoos to clean up and a new shotgun in my collection if it had been me. But then I would have NEVER used my weapon in an attempt to intimidate unarmed individuals, however the instant they reached for a weapon I'd legally have shot them both dead. One is ONLY justified in using deadly force when threatened with deadly force. There's no half-stepping in a lethal confrontation (with or without weapons). Your cousin got an education he should have gotten before this happened. He's lucky it didn't cost him his life. Not many gun owners are as inept and foolish as your cousin. I don't know if you're living in a fantasy world or not but you sure don't know much about the real world.

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