How do we protect kids in school?

How do we protect kids in school?

There are 6103 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Jan 8, 2013, titled How do we protect kids in school?. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

During a newsroom discussion about guns about a decade ago, a woman piped up: "I don't understand what the big deal is.

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“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#189 Feb 11, 2013
MD Conservative wrote:
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OMG another lamea$$ comparison of cars and guns, a privilege to a right. Why not just compare apples to computers, or some other dumba$$ thing.
Just look at how the drunk driving has stopped. No one is killed by drunk drivers anymore. And alcohol companies have gone out of business. LOL!
So tell me how has the ban in UK worked out with keeping guns from the hands of criminals? LMFAO!!!!! UK gun crime increased 35% in 2012.
Explain also how come gun crime in USA has been declining, as gun ownership and sales have steadily increased. Interesting. More guns, less crime. Whereas in countries with gun bans, gun crime is on the incline.
Please don't let reality and facts cloud your utopian fantasy.
I think there are still some folks out there who are naive enough to think that gun control laws will stop/reduce violent crime. However, I believe that those naive folks are being manipulated by more sinister folks who are aware that gun laws don't affect criminals and psychos and whose goal IS the disarmament of the American people. The second amendment was written to protect our rights from both the naive and the sinister. The Founding Fathers were some very intelligent men, they knew those rights would need protection from mob rule.
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#190 Feb 11, 2013
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Back to the topic...And, the person that gunned down those children was a responsible law abiding citizen. The point is not the caliber, the fire power or the weapon. The point is that we have a Constitution. And, the 2nd ammendment protects my right to own a firearm. Now, your extreme examples are ridiculous. How many of your neighbors own the kind of weapons you use as an argument? Mentally ill, criminals may, but not the law abiding citizens the 2nd ammendment is in place to protect. If you want to make a difference, support the capability of law enforcement to access the 'mentally ill' medical records when the already in place 'background checks' are done. HEPA has prevented that. More liberal rhetoric. Enforce the laws that are already in place. Period.
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#191 Feb 11, 2013
MD Conservative wrote:
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OMG another lamea$$ comparison of cars and guns, a privilege to a right. Why not just compare apples to computers, or some other dumba$$ thing.
Just look at how the drunk driving has stopped. No one is killed by drunk drivers anymore. And alcohol companies have gone out of business. LOL!
So tell me how has the ban in UK worked out with keeping guns from the hands of criminals? LMFAO!!!!! UK gun crime increased 35% in 2012.
Explain also how come gun crime in USA has been declining, as gun ownership and sales have steadily increased. Interesting. More guns, less crime. Whereas in countries with gun bans, gun crime is on the incline.
Please don't let reality and facts cloud your utopian fantasy.
Let's recap on the 'murder capital of the United States, which prohibits guns.' Chicago. Do a little research before you respond naysayers. It is against the law to possess a gun or ammo in the city proper. Now, that's done them a world of good....innocent citizens are not allowed to protect themselves or their families, yet, who holds the entire city in terror? Why, the law abiding citizens, right. In any circumstance, there will be the law abiding citizen, and the criminal. Who suffers? Why did our forefathers set the Constitution up the way they did? To prevent 'terrorists' from terrorizing the American citizens. How does that happen? By allowing each and every law abiding citizen the right to protect their home, their family, their neighbors from harm. Period. Who benefits from gun control? Criminals. How many NRA meetings have been frought with terroristic threats? Target innocent children...that's the ticket...mentally ill people should be watched. Their records should be available to the local law enforcement community.'Blanket' gun control is not the answer. Take away our 2nd Ammendment rights? Not in my lifetime.
xando

Scottsdale, AZ

#192 Feb 11, 2013
Inform yourself.

According to The Geography of US Gun Violence, Chicago didn't even make the top ten. That list was led by New Orleans, followed by Detroit and was joined by Las Vegas, Baltimore, Cleveland, Memphis, St. Louis, and a couple of others that escape me at the moment. BUT....no Chicago. And those in the top ten have lenient gun policies where paranoid nuts like you can arm themselves to the hilt.

Don't be so uninformed.

Oh, and no one is even close to confiscating your guns, you ignoramus.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#193 Feb 12, 2013
xando wrote:
Inform yourself.
According to The Geography of US Gun Violence, Chicago didn't even make the top ten. That list was led by New Orleans, followed by Detroit and was joined by Las Vegas, Baltimore, Cleveland, Memphis, St. Louis, and a couple of others that escape me at the moment. BUT....no Chicago. And those in the top ten have lenient gun policies where paranoid nuts like you can arm themselves to the hilt.
Don't be so uninformed.
Oh, and no one is even close to confiscating your guns, you ignoramus.
If you're from AZ as your avatar says, you live in one of the most lenient states of all. It is legal in AZ to carry your lawfully owned handgun as long as it isn't concealed. The laws in Ohio and Maryland are very restrictive by comparison and the other states you mention are stricter as well. I can't help but notice that you didn't mention Vermont (less restrictive carry laws = less violent crime). What you have just done is point out how restrictive gun laws don't work to prevent/stop violent crime.

Folks who demand that their 2nd amendment rights be protected as the constitution guarantees aren't "paranoid nuts", we're Americans.

Every time we let a piece of the 2nd amendment, no matter how small, to be chipped away by the enemies of individual freedom we are that much closer to confiscation, you ignoramus. Don't be so naive.
xando

Scottsdale, AZ

#194 Feb 12, 2013
Whammer Hammer was trying to make the point that BECAUSE of restrictive gun laws in Chicago there was more gun lawlessness and unarmed citizens were more vulnerable. WJ is wrong on that point. The Geography of US Gun Violence map shows cities with the MOST gun violence ALSO have the most LENIENT gun laws. Chicago has less gun violence than those top ten lenient cities.

Reading into things what you WANT them to be doesn't change the FACT that more guns = more gun violence. While Chicago is a crime-laden city, Las Vegas has more gun violence. Las Vegas has lenient gun laws. Chicago has more restrictive gun laws. Chicago wasn't on the list. Las Vegas was number two.

Get it?

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#196 Feb 12, 2013
xando wrote:
Whammer Hammer was trying to make the point that BECAUSE of restrictive gun laws in Chicago there was more gun lawlessness and unarmed citizens were more vulnerable. WJ is wrong on that point. The Geography of US Gun Violence map shows cities with the MOST gun violence ALSO have the most LENIENT gun laws. Chicago has less gun violence than those top ten lenient cities.
Reading into things what you WANT them to be doesn't change the FACT that more guns = more gun violence. While Chicago is a crime-laden city, Las Vegas has more gun violence. Las Vegas has lenient gun laws. Chicago has more restrictive gun laws. Chicago wasn't on the list. Las Vegas was number two.
Get it?
Washington D.C. had a total handgun ban while at the same time they had one of the highest murder by handgun rates in the country. Gun laws DON"T WORK because the criminals and psychos don't give a ratsass about the law. Plain and simple. The places where the majority of law abiding citizens are armed and carrying have the lowest violent crime rates. Later when I have time I will provide you with statistics if you wish.

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#197 Feb 12, 2013
Gun laws do work. Just check out the stats for Japan. Gun violence is almost nonexistent there now.

U.S. homicide rates are 6.9 times higher than rates in 22 other populous high-income countries combined, despite similar non-lethal crime and violence rates. The firearm homicide rate in the U.S. is 19.5 times higher (Richardson, p.1).

Among 23 populous, high-income countries, 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States (Richardson, p. 1).

Even if gun violence is up in the U.K. as you say, all that means is that three more people got killed to our 30,000.(Percentages slant that information, which is why you used it.)

The truth is that America is gun-insane and murdering ourselves at a tremendous rate compared to the entire rest of the planet.

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#198 Feb 12, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Washington D.C. had a total handgun ban while at the same time they had one of the highest murder by handgun rates in the country. Gun laws DON"T WORK because the criminals and psychos don't give a ratsass about the law. Plain and simple. The places where the majority of law abiding citizens are armed and carrying have the lowest violent crime rates. Later when I have time I will provide you with statistics if you wish.
You lie. Sadly, you may even believe it yourself.

Where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths.

An estimated 41% of gun-related homicides and 94% of gun-related suicides would not occur under the same circumstances had no guns been present (Wiebe, p. 780).

Higher household gun ownership correlates with higher rates of homicides, suicides, and unintentional shootings (Harvard Injury Control Center).

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 3 to 5 and increases the risk of suicide with a firearm by a factor of 17 (Kellermann, 1992, p. 467; Wiebe, p. 771).

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of homicide by a factor of 3 (Kellermann, 1993, p. 1084).

On the whole, guns are more likely to raise the risk of injury than to confer protection.

A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a completed or attempted suicide (11x), criminal assault or homicide (7x), or unintentional shooting death or injury (4x) than to be used in a self-defense shooting.(Kellermann, 1998, p. 263).

Guns are used to intimidate and threaten 4 to 6 times more often than they are used to thwart crime (Hemenway, p. 269).

Every year there are only about 200 legally justified self-defense homicides by private citizens (FBI, Expanded Homicide Data, Table 15) compared with over 30,000 gun deaths (NCIPC).

A 2009 study found that people in possession of a gun are 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault (Branas).

So much for your theory...
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#199 Feb 12, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>
Every time we let a piece of the 2nd amendment, no matter how small, to be chipped away by the enemies of individual freedom we are that much closer to confiscation....
Oh, I hope so.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#200 Feb 12, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Washington D.C. had a total handgun ban while at the same time they had one of the highest murder by handgun rates in the country. Gun laws DON"T WORK because the criminals and psychos don't give a ratsass about the law. Plain and simple. The places where the majority of law abiding citizens are armed and carrying have the lowest violent crime rates. Later when I have time I will provide you with statistics if you wish.
Your screed makes a good argument for eliminating all but THREE gun laws. They would be:
1. NO GUNS OWNED BY PRIVATE CITIZENS
2. ALL MFG. OF GUNS IN THE US CONTROLLED BY THE FEDERAL GOV
3. ALL IMPORT OF GUNS INTO THE US CONTROLLED BY THE FEDERAL GOV
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#201 Feb 12, 2013
Saint_ wrote:
<quoted text>
You lie. Sadly, you may even believe it yourself.
Where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths.
An estimated 41% of gun-related homicides and 94% of gun-related suicides would not occur under the same circumstances had no guns been present (Wiebe, p. 780).
Higher household gun ownership correlates with higher rates of homicides, suicides, and unintentional shootings (Harvard Injury Control Center).
Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 3 to 5 and increases the risk of suicide with a firearm by a factor of 17 (Kellermann, 1992, p. 467; Wiebe, p. 771).
Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of homicide by a factor of 3 (Kellermann, 1993, p. 1084).
On the whole, guns are more likely to raise the risk of injury than to confer protection.
A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a completed or attempted suicide (11x), criminal assault or homicide (7x), or unintentional shooting death or injury (4x) than to be used in a self-defense shooting.(Kellermann, 1998, p. 263).
Guns are used to intimidate and threaten 4 to 6 times more often than they are used to thwart crime (Hemenway, p. 269).
Every year there are only about 200 legally justified self-defense homicides by private citizens (FBI, Expanded Homicide Data, Table 15) compared with over 30,000 gun deaths (NCIPC).
A 2009 study found that people in possession of a gun are 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault (Branas).
So much for your theory...
Using Kellerman as a source??? LOL!!!!!!

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#202 Feb 12, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>Using Kellerman as a source??? LOL!!!!!!
You got problem with the FBI and the NCIC as well? How about the CDC?

The source doesn't matter, the truth is America's got a SERIOUS gun problem. The dead, bullet-riddled bodies of twenty children are stats enough to prove that.
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#203 Feb 12, 2013
Saint_ wrote:
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You got problem with the FBI and the NCIC as well? How about the CDC?
The source doesn't matter, the truth is America's got a SERIOUS gun problem. The dead, bullet-riddled bodies of twenty children are stats enough to prove that.
I've got a problem with Kelleramn and stated as such.
America doesn't have a gun problem.
America has a crime problem and the hundreds of thousands of defensive gun uses are enough to prove that.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#204 Feb 12, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>Your screed makes a good argument for eliminating all but THREE gun laws. They would be:
1. NO GUNS OWNED BY PRIVATE CITIZENS
2. ALL MFG. OF GUNS IN THE US CONTROLLED BY THE FEDERAL GOV
3. ALL IMPORT OF GUNS INTO THE US CONTROLLED BY THE FEDERAL GOV
My "screed"? Well, at least you represent living proof that those who think confiscation of all firearms is the ultimate goal of the anti-gun lobby aren't really so paranoid. Are they? &#924;&#927;&#923; &#937;&#925; &#923;&#913;&#914; &#917;
xando

Phoenix, AZ

#205 Feb 13, 2013
MD Conservative wrote:
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Cite your source please
I already did.

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#206 Feb 13, 2013
Besara wrote:
the hundreds of thousands of defensive gun uses are enough to prove that.
The FBI says there were only 200 self-defense homicides. Where do you get "hundreds of thousands?"

And with 70 mass shootings in three years, I'd say America has a serious gun problem.

But let's look at other developed countries:

According to 2008 figures compiled by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, the U.S. homicide rate for 2010 is 5.1 per 100,000 people. The next most violent country is Finland, which has a homicide rate of 2.5, half that of the U.S. The remaining 28 developed countries are even lower, with an average of 1.1 homicides per 100,000 people.

So our gun problem is twice as bad as the next lower country, and five times as bad as the rest of the planet and you don't think we have a problem?

You're in denial...and I'm not talking about a river in Africa!
Besara

Omaha, NE

#207 Feb 13, 2013
Saint_ wrote:
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The FBI says there were only 200 self-defense homicides. Where do you get "hundreds of thousands?"
I said defensive gun USES!!
Saint_ wrote:
And with 70 mass shootings in three years, I'd say America has a serious gun problem.
All were crimes committed by criminals proving it's a serious crime problem.
And mass shootings a re still statistically rare.
Saint_ wrote:
But let's look at other developed countries:
According to 2008 figures compiled by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, the U.S. homicide rate for 2010 is 5.1 per 100,000 people. The next most violent country is Finland, which has a homicide rate of 2.5, half that of the U.S. The remaining 28 developed countries are even lower, with an average of 1.1 homicides per 100,000 people.
And how many of those other countries have the same socioeconomic dynamics such as gang-related crime, poverty, broken families, etc??
Saint_ wrote:
So our gun problem is twice as bad as the next lower country, and five times as bad as the rest of the planet and you don't think we have a problem?
We have a crime problem. Period.
Saint_ wrote:
You're in denial...and I'm not talking about a river in Africa!
You're delusional and I'm talking about your evasion from the truth. Millions of guns were not used yesterday or the day before to commit crimes.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#208 Feb 13, 2013
Besara wrote:
We have a crime problem. Period.
Kinda like saying we have a malaria problem not a mosquito problem. But when we take the effort to destroy mosquitoes, the malaria problem went down. Strange
I wonder what our crime rate would be if there were no guns in the equation. Suicide rate? domestic violence rate? mass killing rate? Killers have testified they feel "detached" when they shoot someone with a gun. Not so strange.
Do you ever wonder those things. I do. So does Saint and lots of others. Very strange.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#210 Feb 13, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>
I said defensive gun USES!!
<quoted text>
All were crimes committed by criminals proving it's a serious crime problem.
And mass shootings a re still statistically rare.
<quoted text>
And how many of those other countries have the same socioeconomic dynamics such as gang-related crime, poverty, broken families, etc??
<quoted text>
We have a crime problem. Period.
<quoted text>You're delusional and I'm talking about your evasion from the truth. Millions of guns were not used yesterday or the day before to commit crimes.
The liberal mind set is to automatically blame society for the actions of the individual. That's a huge part of the reason we have a crime problem. The liberals have legitimized just about every lame excuse for criminal behavior that you can dream up. "Sure he killed 10 or 20 people but he did it because his momma didn't breast feed" or "he watched Gunsmoke too much" or "he played a video game with too much fake violence". So we're supposed to feel sorry for them and put them back on the street to kill again? Doesn't even sound right, does it? But that's what we've been doing for years now, thanks to the liberals. It's never the INDIVIDUAL'S fault, it's always something society did. Now they want to blame society for the actions of a few psychos and all the violent criminals that their liberal policies keep putting back out on the street. The liberal mind set has almost singlehandedly created the "crime problem" that they refuse to recognize. IMHO.

Take the violent criminals and homicidal psychos off of our streets and keep them locked up until they're not a danger or execute them. They are the problem....not the honest law abiding citizens guns. Each and every one of them is INDIVIDUALLY responsible for their actions.

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