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CCSD - Children's First FAQ on petition signatures

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#1 Jul 24, 2011
This is straight off of the "children's first" FAQ, that they are handing out. Special thanks to the coworker who brought it to my attention.

I found it a little disturbing, on how they plan to annex the area, without asking the people who live there. Why?

I feel this idea is right up there with the "holding the rope" fiasco.

Please free to comment:

From Children's First FAQ

Why aren't signatures being Collected on the sought side of the river?

In order to proceed in the process of creating a new district, we must first establish a designated area which meets all the state requirements and would also allow us the possibility of quickly obtaining signatures from 60% of the registered voters in the designated area. The area controlled by the county with designated county roads and addresses on those roads makes for the most efficient area in which to identify voters and get the required signatures. This, in and of itself, is a huge task even when there are established addresses. After obtaining the signatures, we can then provide information to the state where the secretary of education has authority to begin the process of designating a new district. Form that authority we believe the Secretary of Education could then append the Ojo area into the Kirkland School District, Keeping all of the current attendance area within the the new District. This was determined to be the most efficient and legal way of obtaining a new district.


haha

Farmington, NM

#2 Jul 25, 2011
I am confused. If Kirtland, the Mannings, and the Mormons are so evil why is it that the people of Shiprock are fighting so hard to keep them apart of CCDS. If they are they are so bad wouldnt Shiprock be supporting the split? It is almost like a divorce where it not going to work out. No matter what happens in the marriage it will not work out or get fixed it is broken. It is time for both to move on. Neither will be able to grow and become successful till they split period
duuh

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Jul 25, 2011
Subutai wrote:
This is straight off of the "children's first" FAQ, that they are handing out. Special thanks to the coworker who brought it to my attention.
I found it a little disturbing, on how they plan to annex the area, without asking the people who live there. Why?
I feel this idea is right up there with the "holding the rope" fiasco.
Please free to comment:
From Children's First FAQ
Why aren't signatures being Collected on the sought side of the river?
In order to proceed in the process of creating a new district, we must first establish a designated area which meets all the state requirements and would also allow us the possibility of quickly obtaining signatures from 60% of the registered voters in the designated area. The area controlled by the county with designated county roads and addresses on those roads makes for the most efficient area in which to identify voters and get the required signatures. This, in and of itself, is a huge task even when there are established addresses. After obtaining the signatures, we can then provide information to the state where the secretary of education has authority to begin the process of designating a new district. Form that authority we believe the Secretary of Education could then append the Ojo area into the Kirkland School District, Keeping all of the current attendance area within the the new District. This was determined to be the most efficient and legal way of obtaining a new district.
wow!
they don't to held up by the state checking each and every P.O. Box that is used for addresses for people living on the south side of the river!! what a bunch of !@#$%^

Ojo is part of CCSD and on the south side of the river, why do they want to include the school since they clearly stated they wanted to have nothing to do with the south side of the river...
wait! Ojo has more navajo children to help their case!...the nerve of children first...
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Jul 25, 2011
duuh wrote:
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wow!
they don't to held up by the state checking each and every P.O. Box that is used for addresses for people living on the south side of the river!! what a bunch of !@#$%^
Ojo is part of CCSD and on the south side of the river, why do they want to include the school since they clearly stated they wanted to have nothing to do with the south side of the river...
wait! Ojo has more navajo children to help their case!...the nerve of children first...
Perhaps, just perhaps, they're targeting the 'tax-paying' voters/citizens. Just a thot...
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Jul 25, 2011
Sorry, what I meant to say was, "Perhaps, just perhaps, they're targeting the PROPERTY TAX PAYING CITIZENS/VOTERS of SJC.
soo

United States

#6 Jul 26, 2011
duuh wrote:
<quoted text>
wow!
they don't to held up by the state checking each and every P.O. Box that is used for addresses for people living on the south side of the river!! what a bunch of !@#$%^
Ojo is part of CCSD and on the south side of the river, why do they want to include the school since they clearly stated they wanted to have nothing to do with the south side of the river...
wait! Ojo has more navajo children to help their case!...the nerve of children first...
Are you familiar with the phrase, don't bite off more than you can chew? It seems to me that only seeking residents on the North side of the river makes the process more manageable. How familiar are you with finding people in Ojo? How aware are you of the transient rate (how often people move in and out of homes?) Getting signatures for just the North side of the river is a huge task. Why make the task more difficult by adding the South side of the river as well?
Clearly

Rio Rancho, NM

#7 Jul 26, 2011
Clearly and simply it is evident that they are going against current CCSD standards and they are using their time and resources in the most efficient and effective manner.

Besides nobody but really takes Subutai serious, because they know he is doing nothing more than stirring negativity in the hearts of the misinformed with his half witted cunning methods to try and satisfy his hate fueled hunger...

Since: Jul 11

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#8 Jul 26, 2011
Their stated objective of this is to sign up as many people LIKE THEM, that they think would vote for the split. So they are trying to get their 60% of the registered voters, by finding the already registered ones, singing up new voters who they think will be sympathetic, and avoiding and NOT signing up those who would be against them. Fairly simple.

Children's first is avoiding the South side of the river because they know it will skew the numbers possibly in favor of not splitting the district. Yet they want the area in their district because they would love the ability to use the Tax Bonding potential of the power plant there. In addition it would look bad on them to see kids bussed right past KCH, on their way to Shiprock.

I believe it is only fair, respectful and the right thing to do is to include them from the beginning if it is their intention of having that area in their district. The current plan is a back door approach, and underhanded approach, which does not allow all the citizens (even if they do not pay property tax) have a equal say in local education.

haha

Farmington, NM

#9 Jul 26, 2011
I think the reason is that they are taking the approch of get the district split then let upper fruitland and Ojo deside if they want to do. I dont think it should be up to Kirtland Shiprock or Tso to deside. It should be desided in the community that people live in. Duh Kirtland dont want Shiprock desiding what happens in Kirtland just like Shiprock dont want kirtland desideing what happens in Shiprock. Both places have diferent visions of how things should be ran. I think if you vision dont support the school and school board your kid is in then move them to one that does.

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#10 Jul 26, 2011
haha wrote:
I think the reason is that they are taking the approch of get the district split then let upper fruitland and Ojo deside if they want to do. I dont think it should be up to Kirtland Shiprock or Tso to deside. It should be desided in the community that people live in. Duh Kirtland dont want Shiprock desiding what happens in Kirtland just like Shiprock dont want kirtland desideing what happens in Shiprock. Both places have diferent visions of how things should be ran. I think if you vision dont support the school and school board your kid is in then move them to one that does.
Exactly so why should Kirtland decide for the two chapters/communities across the river Upper Fruitland, and San Juan. Let them come over and convince us it is in our best interest. Don't do this behind our backs us in just because you want the money.

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#11 Jul 26, 2011
UPDATE - the answer is no district!

The answer, according to a July 20 letter from Hanna Skandera, secretary-designate of the state Public Education Department, is NOT TO SPLIT.

http://www.daily-times.com/ci_18549334...

As Mrs Skandera said:

"Dividing the Central Consolidated School District appears to be the wrong thing to do to our students. Instead of one district, there would be the same amount of students who would then have to be supported by two administrations. To divide up scarce dollars because adults can't work out their differences would be a near tragic outcome for our kids."

The right thing to do was to remove Byron Manning, and his toxic influences on the school district.

Now Kirtland Mormons please elect to Randy Mannings spot someone an education, who can work with others better, who has minimal conflicts of interest within the district. And who can follow the better parts of your religion, like the one of loving you neighbor. Maybe once you do that the Navajo's will be nice to you.

Reader

Florence, AL

#12 Jul 26, 2011
Why is the tab to access to the Topix forums gone from the Daily Times homepage?
haha

Farmington, NM

#13 Jul 26, 2011
Subutai wrote:
UPDATE - the answer is no district!
The answer, according to a July 20 letter from Hanna Skandera, secretary-designate of the state Public Education Department, is NOT TO SPLIT.
http://www.daily-times.com/ci_18549334...
As Mrs Skandera said:
"Dividing the Central Consolidated School District appears to be the wrong thing to do to our students. Instead of one district, there would be the same amount of students who would then have to be supported by two administrations. To divide up scarce dollars because adults can't work out their differences would be a near tragic outcome for our kids."
The right thing to do was to remove Byron Manning, and his toxic influences on the school district.
Now Kirtland Mormons please elect to Randy Mannings spot someone an education, who can work with others better, who has minimal conflicts of interest within the district. And who can follow the better parts of your religion, like the one of loving you neighbor. Maybe once you do that the Navajo's will be nice to you.
Why you so obsessed with Mormons, Mannings and race?

Look at the corruption in Shiprock! Clean your own house before you deside to clean ours.

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#14 Jul 26, 2011
haha wrote:
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Why you so obsessed with Mormons, Mannings and race?
Look at the corruption in Shiprock! Clean your own house before you deside to clean ours.
Because that is what it is about, pure and simple. Money, influence and power. The Manning Brothers encouraged this division, and used it to their advantage. Look where they took the community.

As far as mormons, I have lived, and worked around them for years, here and away. I do admire and respect them. Currently the Kirtland mormons are not living up to my previous high opinion of what their religion can offer. Or in short they are being very bad examples.

Fortunately Secretary Skandera saw what it was about and how it related to education. Now she is telling us we need to sit down, treat each others as equals, and figure this out, and not split the district.
haha

Farmington, NM

#15 Jul 26, 2011
Subutai wrote:
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Because that is what it is about, pure and simple. Money, influence and power. The Manning Brothers encouraged this division, and used it to their advantage. Look where they took the community.
As far as mormons, I have lived, and worked around them for years, here and away. I do admire and respect them. Currently the Kirtland mormons are not living up to my previous high opinion of what their religion can offer. Or in short they are being very bad examples.
Fortunately Secretary Skandera saw what it was about and how it related to education. Now she is telling us we need to sit down, treat each others as equals, and figure this out, and not split the district.
"Because that is what it is about, pure and simple. Money, influence and power." You are so right but i dont think that is the Manning brothers. Look at your own town .. Shiprock Fair and Shiprock Chapter. Shiprock is full of Money problems influence problems and power problems. Lets say the district is split and in 5 years from now looking at the track record from Shiprock Fair, Boys and girls club, and Shiprock Chapter. How do you honestly feel that the Shiprock School District will be? Would Shiprock be better off? Do you think there would be a strugle in the Shiprock District with Money, influence and power still? REMEMBER: Kirtland and the Mannings are totally out of the equation.
KCAlumni

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Jul 26, 2011
Subutai wrote:
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Because that is what it is about, pure and simple. Money, influence and power. The Manning Brothers encouraged this division, and used it to their advantage. Look where they took the community.
As far as mormons, I have lived, and worked around them for years, here and away. I do admire and respect them. Currently the Kirtland mormons are not living up to my previous high opinion of what their religion can offer. Or in short they are being very bad examples.
Fortunately Secretary Skandera saw what it was about and how it related to education. Now she is telling us we need to sit down, treat each others as equals, and figure this out, and not split the district.
BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!!!!

Since: Jul 11

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#17 Jul 26, 2011
KCAlumni wrote:
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BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!!!!
Did KCHS teach you that? If so we really do have an education problem here.
Shiprock Alumni

Fort Defiance, AZ

#18 Jul 26, 2011
KCAlumni wrote:
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BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!!!!
KC Alumni intelligence, BLAH BLAH BLAH.
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#19 Jul 26, 2011
Shiprock Alumni wrote:
<quoted text>KC Alumni intelligence, BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Words of wisdom...spoken at us, for our consideration..heed..I'm not sure exactly, how these words of wisdom benefit our children....but, it perhaps is indicative of the education they'll receive...of course, after the district is split. With the proper argument, your children may still be allowed to attend ...but, I suggest you 'brush-up' on your, uhm, language skills. You may not be understood...which ultimately will effect the education your children could benefit from...is this what you teach in your home? Speaks volumes...I'd say....
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#20 Jul 26, 2011
Subutai wrote:
<quoted text>
Because that is what it is about, pure and simple. Money, influence and power. The Manning Brothers encouraged this division, and used it to their advantage. Look where they took the community.
As far as mormons, I have lived, and worked around them for years, here and away. I do admire and respect them. Currently the Kirtland mormons are not living up to my previous high opinion of what their religion can offer. Or in short they are being very bad examples.
Fortunately Secretary Skandera saw what it was about and how it related to education. Now she is telling us we need to sit down, treat each others as equals, and figure this out, and not split the district.
Secretary Skandera is dealing the cards dealt. And, for your information, the facts of the case have yet to be completely studied. NO decision has been made because there are 'dynamics' and voices yet to be heard. Don't be so comfortable. This isn't over yet, by far. Now, as to the 'mormon' issue...Kirtland proper is not made up of LDS only families...there are those of us who believe that the MOST important issue at stake here is our children's education, our ability to coordinate policy with our school board, administrators and protect our children. What's your agenda???? Racism? Religious scrutiny? Let's take a look at the BIG PICTURE....the education of our children. What's best for them....parent participation? Or, parent separation? I'm gonna bid on what makes the district a strong educational force. The injustices that have run rampant of late are destructive to say the least. We won't sit by and allow it. If, the decision is made to support the Tribe in their endeavor to control CCSD, as for my children...they'll attend Farmington schools. And, we'll take our student 'monies' with us. Look out, this has been an option for years, has been practiced...keep up with the current agenda and you'll see a huge migration of students (and the money they generate) leaving the district. Push too hard and you'll hit an obstruction. We have alternatives...so do you...back off. You've pushed too far. Enough...

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