luvbball

Pocatello, ID

#48 Mar 17, 2008
4 Corners Bball Fan wrote:
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For sure if the girls didn't move or decided not to play, they would have won state in 2006. I feel bad for Devin because she would have gotten more playing time at KC instead of Gillette, WY were she only put in about 5 minutes a game. Also, it would have also depended on if Mike Christie was still the coach to this day. It is going to be tough for the girls to win state this year.
How do you know she only played 5 min a game? As it turns out she started for the lady camels and they won state that year.
Orange and Black

Albuquerque, NM

#49 Mar 17, 2008
luvbball wrote:
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How do you know she only played 5 min a game? As it turns out she started for the lady camels and they won state that year.
Yeah, "4 Corners" is a little too involved in all the discussions. Obviously a little misinformed about many things. I've already discovered that. I did not know that about Devon Deihl, congrats to her.

“I miss NM!”

Since: Feb 08

Tulsa, OK

#50 Mar 17, 2008
luvbball wrote:
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How do you know she only played 5 min a game? As it turns out she started for the lady camels and they won state that year.
One of KC former coaches who still keeps in touch with the Diehls is the one that was telling a group of us. She did start and win state but was limited on playing minutes.

“I miss NM!”

Since: Feb 08

Tulsa, OK

#51 Mar 17, 2008
Orange and Black wrote:
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Yeah, "4 Corners" is a little too involved in all the discussions. Obviously a little misinformed about many things. I've already discovered that. I did not know that about Devon Deihl, congrats to her.
How do you know about the "misinformed about many things?" Please explain.
Orange and Black

Albuquerque, NM

#52 Mar 17, 2008
4 Corners Bball Fan wrote:
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How do you know about the "misinformed about many things?" Please explain.
Wouldn't speaking without verifying information about many things you've spoken of, including player's playing time and happiness,(which is 2nd and 3rd hand knowledge) be a definition of "misinformation?" You were called out by "luvbball" about that former player. I would certainly verify all the things that are discussed especially when you're using specific names on this anonymous forum.
Lost in the PNW

Omaha, NE

#53 Mar 17, 2008
Just my opinion.
Best game I ever saw was my sister going up against Karyn Karlin in the Championship Game of the Farmington Invitational (which I think that was the year KC went undefeated but I'm nearing 40 so who knows.) KC should have lost that game.

Just another opinion. I think the year that Richardson brought the SHS Lady Chieftains to their first State Championship game (and lost in double overtime) rewrote the way basketball was played in San Juan County. For that matter, anywhere else in the state of NM (at that time.) And for anyone who can 180 a team from the laughing stock of Central Schools to eventual state champions gets my #1 vote. And apparently and indirectly, a movie made about it.

From the Richardson camp, came Douty and Adams. And to fuel the fire between KC and SHS, Irvin made sure of it. If there wasn't that intense rivalry going on at that time, would Irvin have been that great or would he been known more for Karlin? I think it is hard to say he was the best of all time in SJC because he already inherited a great team with a "don't mess with our history" program.

The legacy of it all is that the young girls, future players, were borne from it all. Better talent, better facilities, better exposure (for recruiting better coaches. So I guess I'm saying, the teams now may be better. But, I think it's just the evolution of women's basketball in the last two decades.

KC should have lost that game because they were a great team. If that makes sense. Otherwise, I wouldn't be a good brother.
KFC

Rio Rancho, NM

#55 Mar 17, 2008
It is a crying shame Mike Christie has not coached the last two KC teams. They would have gone back to back. Oh well, I guess you sleep in the bed you make. I feel most sorry for the kids that didn't get a chance to win those championships.
North Ogden Ut

Salt Lake City, UT

#57 Mar 18, 2008
WHAT ABOUT THE "FOUR CORNERS" COACHED BY FRANK T. OF TNP-AZ!!!!!!!!!!
Framing Hanley

Gaithersburg, MD

#58 Jun 18, 2008
I just now came across this thread. I know - 4 months later.

My top 5 teams:

1. 1982 KCHS - Cara Priddy, Darla Foutz, Lisa Maestas (I believe this team's only loss was to Nazareth, TX - a HS with a storied GBB team)
2. 1994 KCHS - Kara Karlin, Celeste King, Tasha Begay, Dodge sisters (only losses were to a tough SHS team of Clark, Goodluck, Deschine, Francisco, Crisp)
3. 1985 KCHS - Dan, Zapata, Spade, Flack, Stephenson (This team was nationally ranked in USA Today and took on teams in Southern California in the holiday tournament - only loss was to Huntington Beach Oceanview)
4.(tie) 1989 SHS - Johnson, Kirk, Vernetta Begay (undefeated; KC was in rebuilding year following the graduation of Hatch, Platero, Benally, Gallagher)
4.(tie) 1996 KCHS - Karlin, Max, Anderson, Sherman, Lee (undefeated, but barely got past Pojoaque thanks to Sherman's 3 point bombs)

All these teams had solid interior play to compliment the outside game.

The most under-rated, but critical in KC's success was Bye Beckstead (assistant coach). He helped develop Gwynn Hobbs as well.

Cara Priddy is still the only local hoops player to have won an NCAA title. Univ. of Texas defeated a Cheryl Miller-led USC team in 1986. Priddy was a starter on the Longhorn team.
Weeders

Window Rock, AZ

#59 Jun 19, 2008
Damn are you guys still on this, give it a rest. "WAS" is right, they are no longer
unknown

United States

#60 Jul 22, 2008
Well this is in regard to the person who said why don't kids get recruited to unm or other big D1 or D2 schools. Well for one that gets me kind of upset is that some of the best kids who play ball or any other sport are not booksmart. Yeah they can play ball or something else, but can they make the grades somewhere and keep up with college life while doing the sport that they are in. It seems that some kids don't even last a year at a college when given a scholarship for a sport. They end up returning for some reason.
RioRanchoRams09

Albuquerque, NM

#61 Dec 5, 2008
KFC wrote:
It is a crying shame Mike Christie has not coached the last two KC teams. They would have gone back to back. Oh well, I guess you sleep in the bed you make. I feel most sorry for the kids that didn't get a chance to win those championships.
I don't think so. Mike Christie took the program downward with his slow style and pass-pass-pass crap. Although he did bring KC 2 titles, he took them to a losing season since the KC program started in the 1970s. Dan Scroggins should have never left. His 2003 team was the most dominant in history with that 30 point state final victory. Forget the 1996 undefeated KC squad with Karyn Karlin who almost lost to Pojoaque. This 2003 team would defeat that squad by double digits anytime.
Piece of my mind

Albuquerque, NM

#62 Dec 8, 2008
Some of you may have to go back a ways to remember this one, but Farmington's state championship team of 1979 was solid. Sandra Goering at post was, I believe, 6-1, and Nancy Ratliff at 5-10 was one of the best players ever to put on a uniform in this county. She's one of the only girls I ever saw in this state who could grab a rebound in midair and easily put it back in before she came back to the floor. She played four years of college ball.
Before you blow this off, consider this: Eldorado was 23-0 in 1975, 23-1 in 1976, 21-1 in 1977, 27-2 in 1978, 27-1 in 1979, 28-0 in 1980, and 26-0 in 1981. That Farmington team in 1979 went 27-1 and handed Eldorado its lone loss of the season. Eldorado played in 13 state championship games from 1975 to 1990, and the '79 Farmington team beat them.
okay

Albuquerque, NM

#63 Dec 10, 2008
Many of the the great championship teams that are mention are worth the notarity they received, but remember many of these teams were built upon the previous season of disappointment and rebuilding. Yes many of the coaches walk on into a winning season leading into state championships, but give credit to the coaches that were there for your players during the hard times.
L fan

Albuquerque, NM

#64 Jan 27, 2009
what about Rick hazen and the LAdy longhorns from Roy during the 93-94 saeson they were nationally ranked
Framing Hanley

Towson, MD

#65 Jan 28, 2009
L fan - you may have an argument for the Roy teams with Hartley and Ray. Eldorado and Clayton have to be considered as well. One of the best teams I saw was the 1993 Eldorado team. That team was very athletic and tall. Lisa Escobedo and Janet Trujillo were probably the best NM backcourt duo. It was one of Don Flanagan's finest teams, which had several D-1 players. It's too bad a lot of the powerhouse teams didn't play each other back then.
outside the box

Albuquerque, NM

#66 Jan 28, 2009
I am suprised that Coach Beakstead and Kara Priddy didnt make any list?
oh dear

Flagstaff, AZ

#67 Mar 2, 2009
lol. I grew up submerged in 4 corners bball. to me that's where it starts and ends.. BUT i know there were some REALLY great teams in the state.
First there's the old school. let's see. Eldorado's championship team who had katie kerns when don flanagan was a hs coach. they were awesome.
there was the late 90's powerhouse kirtland.. well, more acurately the POWERHOUSE kirtland. But they were at their best with Karen Karlin, Celeste King, Tasha Begay and "the rest". Why do I say the "rest"? Cause with those girls on the floor the rest didn't matter.
Now, I'm partial to Shiprock my home town. Adriane Goodluck, Kelly Clark, marlena descheenie. The games between those two (sr and k).. INTENSE. Lots of bruises. scratching and general nastines.. lol. Coach Kromer is an excellent coach, as well as Coach Irvin.
And seeingg all these comparisons to my generation of ball. I'm sorry. but the mid 90's Kirtland/Shiprock. No one even comes close. Nadia Begay was great, but she wouldve been chewed up and spit out. No disrespect, she's a far superior player than I, but seriously. No one comes close.
My generation. Holman was a jerk. But he was a darn good coach. nough' said. Shauntel Adams, Megan Ratliff were awesome.
Ya'll are missing out on Jamie Begay. Forget Vijaai (her baby sister), Jamie had the goods and the killer instinct. So did Lucita Yesslith. Great. They took state i believe.
As far as Navajo Prep goes. Coach Adams was the heart of the team. The last of him graduated in 04 and that was a shame. He instilled discipline and heart. I doubt you will ever see Navajo Prep at that level of dominance again.
SR fan

Nageezi, NM

#68 Mar 4, 2009
4 Corners Bball Fan wrote:
Shiprock had a good run when Richardson was coaching the "Twin Towers-Natasha Johnson and Virgina Kirk along with Sheila Smiley and Pee-Wee Begay. Another team that comes to mind is Kelly Clark, Adrianne Goodluck, and Marlena Deschene. During that time these girls were coached by Charles Kromer. Last team that comes to mind is when Shantel Begay, Vijay Begay, Miranda Beyale, and Racheal Harrison were playing for Henry Gettler.
Are you kidding me that Shantel Begay, Vijai Begay, Miranda Beyale and Racheal Harrison are going to be put as great players as Clark, Goodluck, Smiley, Johnson, Kirk and so forth? They don't even deserve to be on this topic. The State Champions Lady Chieftains of 2002 are better than this group and should be recognized.
Jamie Begay
Brianna John
Samantha Pete
Crystal Frazier
Lucita Yesslith
Now there are girls who need to be recognized as great players who played for Shiprock.
old sch-wingate high

United States

#69 Mar 6, 2009
old school fan wrote:
You guys are way off. The best girls team had to be when it was run by Mr. Jim Karlin and Mr. Don Cluff. The girls were Cara Priddy, Chato Platero, Karina Zapata (hot), Lori Stepenson, Kim Spade, Paige Manning, Gigette Gallagher, Celeste Flack, Denine Manning, etc. These players were even before the great Collette Hatch. They set the standard or blueprint for all of KC girls basketball. When they use to play and dominate the Winslow,AZ tournament. Before comparing teams do some research youngsters.
you said it,old school set the pace for these youngsters of the past 25 yrs of girls bb,i seen c.priddy play at wingate in 1981 and she was dominant n that game and i was a player on the boys team that yr at w.h.s.''.

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