Alton police reap mushroom bust

Alton police reap mushroom bust

There are 45 comments on the UnionLeader.com story from Dec 6, 2007, titled Alton police reap mushroom bust. In it, UnionLeader.com reports that:

Police Chief Philip Smith said police seized 114 syringes containing psychedelic mushroom spores, more than 850 canning jars, brown rice flour, two large pressure cookers, and a seedling grow mat in a second ... via UnionLeader.com

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new hampshire local

Laconia, NH

#1 Mar 24, 2008
before anyone goes and makes any assumptions, you have to look at the facts of this case.Where are the mushrooms?They actually didnt find any mushrooms because there werent any.All they found was mushrooms spores which are completely legal to possess in new hampshire.they are used for microscopic study. it is when you start to put them together in the ill manner with the intent to grow is when they become illegal.so before you go congradulating the Alton police do some research and realize that this is not a case of them busting some mushroom growing operation.

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#2 Mar 24, 2008
And why are these mushrooms illegal? There are several other mushrooms that, when consumed, cause DEATH, yet they are not illegal. Why is this?
When looking at this fact, how can anyone say that the mushrooms are illegal "for the good of society."
Shroom

Belmont, NH

#3 Mar 25, 2008
They're only illegal if you are using them to get high off of I think. Its sort of like walking into a head shop and buying a pot pipe. Its not illegal to possess unless you smoke something illegal in it and leave resin to be tested at the lab...The pipe itself you can have, just not the weed

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#4 Mar 25, 2008
Good observation, but wouldn't you think that if you had something illegal due to "adverse effects" if you consume it, then shouldn't something that causes DEATH if consumed should be illegal?
Shroom

Belmont, NH

#5 Mar 25, 2008
I see your point. It's kind of like arsenic or even certain cleaning chemicals if ingested. It's hard to determine who makes the laws. I saw something on the news about trying to make a certain amount of marijuana- under an ounce -it would be a $200 fine. I don't know how they will be able to determine this on the street on how to charge unless they are able to measure it somehow, especially if its close to an ounce.

I don't think there is anyway of controlling something that can cause death if ingested like drano, bleach, even an overdose of tylenol...

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#6 Mar 26, 2008
Shroom, in Minnesota it is a ticket offense to possess a certain amount (it is somewhere around 1 3/4 ounces) of pot. They make it pretty reasonable by saying if the pot is in the front area of the car (accessible by the driver), then it is a jailable offense. The only way to transport it in a car and still qualify for the "ticket" is to carry it in the trunk. But of course if it is in the trunk, the police have to have a specific search warrant for the trunk... so they would have to have a reason to believe you had some anyway. On top of all of this, there is no active pursuit of a person who is suspected to be a casual user, only the dealers.

I heard the other night on Bill Maher that Barney Frank is planning to propose a bill in Congress that would eliminate any Federal penalties for possession of a small personal amount of marijuana. So, this could be a reality pretty soon.
Scott H Florance

Seattle, WA

#7 Mar 29, 2008
Offer a good item for couples that want to get pregnant. A special fluid that keeps semen-sperm alive. And a one foot plastic syringe. So the man can masterbate and put his seed in a cup with the fluid. Then the women can lift up her legs and get the stuff squirted into her uterus. I believe many folks want to get a pregnancy without intercourse
Big Lake

Salem, NH

#8 Mar 30, 2008
Scott H Florance wrote:
Offer a good item for couples that want to get pregnant. A special fluid that keeps semen-sperm alive. And a one foot plastic syringe. So the man can masterbate and put his seed in a cup with the fluid. Then the women can lift up her legs and get the stuff squirted into her uterus. I believe many folks want to get a pregnancy without intercourse
What is your malfunction?
Big Lake

Salem, NH

#9 Mar 30, 2008
I am sure the subjects of this mushroom bust were not in fact collecting data for an experiment or some form of research. I am also sure that the submissions to this article are not from people so far removed from reality, that they think these people with large amounts of marijuana and semi-automatic fire arms (being sent in the mail no less) are legitimate possessors of the mushroom spores.

The last submission must be from the actual mushroom users.

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#10 Mar 31, 2008
Big Lake, you make good points, but you have completely disregarded the fact that other mushrooms have significantly more harm potential than the psychadelic variety, yet they remain legal...
critter

Manchester, NH

#11 Mar 31, 2008
nakedlobo wrote:
Big Lake, you make good points, but you have completely disregarded the fact that other mushrooms have significantly more harm potential than the psychadelic variety, yet they remain legal...
I think Big Lake was addressing the spores that are commonly utilized to get "high," thereby focusing on only one kind of mushrooms. The poisonous mushrooms are just that poisonous and not utilized for food or intoxication. Paint thinner is poisonous as well and it, like poisonous mushrooms is not illegal.

Finally, the Alton PD did the community a service by making the Pot Bust and then with vigilance went in and took out the mushroom making operation. Who really cares what the rationale for the possession was about, the occupants of the house are not really outstanding members of the community ( with the apparent information gathered).

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#12 Mar 31, 2008
Yes, you are correct, critter. The point I was making is that when asked, the Government usually states that drugs are illegal because they (the government) is protecting the public. My point was if they were really protecting the public, then many other things should be outlawed.
Secondly, I am not concerned about the rationale. I am concerned with the Federal government overstepping it's Constitutionally granted rights and completely disregarding any checks and balances that they are bound by.
This assumption of power has trickled down to the local police forces. These police forces focus so much on "illegal drugs" for the sake of getting federal grant money that they are overlooking crimes that need punishment (violent and property crimes). Now I am not saying this is the case with Alton, but I am saying that it is common practice. This is a practice that should be looked at across this nation.
nakedlobo sux

United States

#13 Mar 31, 2008
critter wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Big Lake was addressing the spores that are commonly utilized to get "high," thereby focusing on only one kind of mushrooms. The poisonous mushrooms are just that poisonous and not utilized for food or intoxication. Paint thinner is poisonous as well and it, like poisonous mushrooms is not illegal.
Finally, the Alton PD did the community a service by making the Pot Bust and then with vigilance went in and took out the mushroom making operation. Who really cares what the rationale for the possession was about, the occupants of the house are not really outstanding members of the community ( with the apparent information gathered).
Trying to rationalize with Nakedlobo is like pissing into the wind. His sense of right vs. wrong is seriously skewed because he is only trying to rationalize his addiction and justify his own position as it relates to his past drug conviction and current sense that he is above the law. Next he'll say he is over it, but that he is stigmatized because of the laws....which is really only because he continues to break them. While reading your post, I am so glad to see that yet another post (just one of many) emphasizes what a ridiculously stupid argument this moron is trying to make about legal status of harmful products. His other stupid analogy is about people having sex before car accidents and saying that may be just as much a cause as pot could be....what a fool. Have fun ...

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#15 Apr 1, 2008
Hey Baby Talk, try reading what I posted instead of assuming you know what I am speaking about.
I never said anything about a convicted felon being denied grant money. I am saying that the local police forces focus their attention to minor drug offenders to get their "drug conviction" rates up. This then leads to federal grant money due to the "war on drugs."
Next, I also never said anything about dangerous criminals getting out to make room for minor drug offenders... but that is a good point. If you just look at the incarceration rate, you can see that this is a fact.
Since the government started handing out exhorbant amounts of time for minor offenses (even deemed minor offenses by the public), the jails are getting overcrowded.
But my point is that there is no standard that is being followed by the government in the scheduling of drugs. There is also no logic to the reasoning for particular drugs being illegal except for "drugs are bad... mmmmmk?"
Now, as opposed to just stalking me through all the various threads I contribute, why not come up with an argument against the particular topics that are presented (in relation to the posted article)? As opposed to name calling (which as I have stated numerous times just invalidates your arguments), try some good ole free thought...
Shroom

Belmont, NH

#16 Apr 1, 2008
Nakedlobo: I think you are right about the grant money if you get busted for drugs (that is pertaining to continuing your education in college...) I think the drug laws vary a little from state to state, too. After all, a person can walk into walmart and spend a few bucks buying over the counter cold meds, cat litter, propane...etc and make thousands of dollars cooking/selling meth. Where I live, you can't buy any cold med remedies without showing an ID, then they only allow you to buy two!! It really sux when you have a big family, and they all have colds/flu and need different meds for their age groups... It was designed to catch the druggies, but the common people have to suffer. All they did was increase ID theft with fake licenses to use when they purchase the stuff. PS you should be allowed to voice your own opinion without the name calling even if it differs from others...
Shroom

Belmont, NH

#17 Apr 1, 2008
Critter: You are so right! APD did a GREAT job busting these people, illegal is illegal!!!!

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#18 Apr 2, 2008
Thanks Shroom. The name calling is all coming from one guy. I evidently got under his skin with some of my posts, so now he has nothing better to do than follow me from forum to forum trying to talk smack...
Most people have a reasonable mind and are willing to listen to opposing viewpoints. You know I read something yesterday that was really interesting. No war has ever been fought by two sides that did not completely believe that they were right. Those who have the belief that they are totally right (and do not listen to other's opinions) are the most nuts!
nakedlobo sux

United States

#19 Apr 2, 2008
it's becuase of crap like this you MORON!
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Vern - Shawville, PA #39
Friday Mar 28
nakedlobo you make such good points! all your posts for the most part i agree with 100%. i dont think weed should ever be 100% legal, 90% is about right.

the reason i say this is b/c if its 100% legal, tons of stupid teenagers would be walking around high all the time. am i a teenager, yes. am i a stupid one, no.

anyone who says weed kills people is wrong, trust me i have smoked a lot of weed in my day and im still alive and well.

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You lie to exhort the use of an illegal drug and rationalize your addictions and try to justify your criminal lifestyle. Now you have High School kids idolizing your stupidity - Again, you are a MORON!!! Take your rubbish to an adult forum, NORML or LEAP.
Shroom

Belmont, NH

#20 Apr 3, 2008
Nakedlobo: There wouldn't be as much hate in the world today if we could all learn to respect others belief system and in the least, be mature enough to agree to disagree. Its a little confusing..look at abortion clinics. There are people who are so strong ly opposed to abortions that they actually bomb and sometimes kill the employees of the abortion clinics. They believe abortions are murder and are against murder, yet they in turn kill themselves... Understand my meaning?

As far as a comment made by nakedlobo sux about pot smoking not killing people, I'm not sure what the statistics are. Some believe if you start smoking pot in your adolescent years, it could lead to harsher drugs. I think this depends on the person, their environment and of course, peer pressure and opportunity. And by the way...No one out here is a moron...We're all free to speak our minds, but should try to keep it civil.

Oh ya, in NH stalking is illegal according to RSA 633:3-a LOL

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#21 Apr 4, 2008
Shroom, I agree completely with your philosophy. These forums are opportunities for several people to discuss topics in mature, logical fashion.
You know, abortion is a time bomb issue. This is another case of the Government attempting to overstep their bounds. It is not a Federal duty to put a law in effect about abortion. This is the duty of the State. If it was left up to the States, we would have some states that allowed it and some that didn't allow it. That would allow for people to have their (community's) voices heard.
This is a similar situation to marijuana. If the Feds would just stay out of the picture, the States could enact their own laws that reflect the ideology of the constituents.

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