Defense's scenario in Cottonwood school bus crash is discounted

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Chuck N

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They've also said her foot was stuck between the gas pedal and the middle console, which they extracted her from (for those of you without a brain, when the van hit the bus, the front of the van "crumpled" on impact - as in RIGHT NOW). That's one hell of a trick to pull off from the passenger seat, Houdini couldn't even do that. Once that circumstance was confirmed by several people at the scene, the next thing that should have happened was the sentencing.

Don't you just love the fact they've found the boyfriend in Mexico, but can't go get him. Come to the US illegally, be a witness to a crime (or in many cases the actual assailant, shooter, stabber, etc.) then if you "make it" back to Mexico, it's as if the crime never happened. Wow. Let's just open up the border for all these losers to wreak havoc on our society.
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I was thinking the same think Chuck, she had to be extricated, meaning the car was so crushed that they used the jaws of life to free her. How would they do the switcharoo then. It just didn't happen that way. They can say all they want about the DNA, but it says there was none of her DNA in the car, but she was clearly there so the DNA findings don't necessarily discredit the fact that she was driving.
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Think the defense and MSM will find the going a bit tougher when the case is tried in court rather than in the media.

The driver switcheroo scenario doesn't look too good when we here the other side of the story.
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Giving citizenship to illegal aliens creats more problems then it solves. When will our elected offical realize this. Rewarding illegal behavior only multiplies the problems. Duel citizenship only opens up open borders for Mexicans. Anchor babies and chain migration only compound the problem of immigration once they are granted citizenship. Write to your congressman and tell them to stop this invasion of our country.
OnTheLakeInLinds trom

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"Defense's scenario in Cottonwood school bus crash is discounted"

Just the headline itself has her convicted already. Don't always believe what you read. Just because the momentum of the crash has it going forward doesn't mean you don't get thrown in all different directions in a accident. What you do and the movements you make just before impact determime where you land. If you see an impact coming and try to shield yourself from it can come into play on how and where you end up in a vehicle.
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OnTheLakeInLindstrom wrote:
"Defense's scenario in Cottonwood school bus crash is discounted"
Just the headline itself has her convicted already. Don't always believe what you read. Just because the momentum of the crash has it going forward doesn't mean you don't get thrown in all different directions in a accident. What you do and the movements you make just before impact determime where you land. If you see an impact coming and try to shield yourself from it can come into play on how and where you end up in a vehicle.
And get your foot pinned under the gas pedal and be extracated from the drivers side? Apparently the boyfriend was able to flee but he was the one driving? Yet it was her foot stuck under the gas pedal. So for your scenario to have any plausibility the two at the moment of impact in just microseconds caused the two to miaculously switch places and get her foot pinned under the gas pedal and then have to get cut out of the drivers side. What luck for the boyfriend! Sorry I think I'll defer to the crash expert.
OnTheLakeInLinds trom

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Happy wrote:
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And get your foot pinned under the gas pedal and be extracated from the drivers side? Apparently the boyfriend was able to flee but he was the one driving? Yet it was her foot stuck under the gas pedal. So for your scenario to have any plausibility the two at the moment of impact in just microseconds caused the two to miaculously switch places and get her foot pinned under the gas pedal and then have to get cut out of the drivers side. What luck for the boyfriend! Sorry I think I'll defer to the crash expert.
They didn't say "under" the gas pedal, they said between the pedal and the center console. I guess you'd have to know the design of this van to figure it out. I do know that some of these van do not have dashcoards where the center goes all the way to the floor boards, in which case it would be possible for a foot of a passenger to become wedged near the gas pedal. BTW.... I'm a retired accident reconstruction specialist. Retired before all the new computer programs came into play. Just using common sense knowledge I used during my employment (17yr.)
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I have the exact van and there isn't a center console that comes out between the two front seats but there it does come out, and there definately is a place for a foot to get lodged between that center console and gas pedal and its on the drivers side not the passenger.

http://images.autobytel.com/Web/Carpics/NCTD/...

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OnTheLakeInLindstrom wrote:
"Defense's scenario in Cottonwood school bus crash is discounted"
Just the headline itself has her convicted already. Don't always believe what you read. Just because the momentum of the crash has it going forward doesn't mean you don't get thrown in all different directions in a accident. What you do and the movements you make just before impact determime where you land. If you see an impact coming and try to shield yourself from it can come into play on how and where you end up in a vehicle.
I hear what you're saying, and I also gave Olga the benefit of the doubt as to whether she was driving the van or not. The expert testimony for the prosecution, combined with the defense tactics of only trying to cast doubt, has me believing that she was, indeed, driving the van.
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Did Mr. Guerrero actually think anybody would buy his therory?I can't wait for the defense to explain this one. Save the taxpayer some money and deport her now!
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OnTheLakeInLindstrom wrote:
"Defense's scenario in Cottonwood school bus crash is discounted"
Just the headline itself has her convicted already. Don't always believe what you read. Just because the momentum of the crash has it going forward doesn't mean you don't get thrown in all different directions in a accident. What you do and the movements you make just before impact determime where you land. If you see an impact coming and try to shield yourself from it can come into play on how and where you end up in a vehicle.
Forget the Liberal Newspapers' Headline. The point is......neither one of them should have been here to commit this terrible crime of vehicular homicide. They are both guilty because the crime was committed as a result of thier illegal entry into this country. They're not here...the children are still alive.
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Not only was this woman's foot pinned, but her leg was too. The rescue team had to use a "dash roll" maneuver to free her leg from under the driver's side dash - they had to cut the pillars of the van and then used hydraulic equipment to raise the dash up 8" before they could free her leg.
OnTheLakeInLindstrom - if you are a retired reconstruction specialist, you should know that it would be literally impossible for her to have flown around the van and end up pinned behind the steering wheel without being the driver. The frontal impact, and resulting crushing of the van (at which time the dash would have dropped down), pinned her in place - the circumstances did not allow time for her to be flown around. I'm glad you weren't the one reconstructing this accident - you would have been the defenses dream-come-true!
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Here's more info as to just how she was pinned behind the steering wheel of the van: http://www.wctrib.com/articles/index.cfm...
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Fool Finder Found U wrote:
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Forget the Liberal Newspapers' Headline. The point is......neither one of them should have been here to commit this terrible crime of vehicular homicide. They are both guilty because the crime was committed as a result of thier illegal entry into this country. They're not here...the children are still alive.
I would just like to clarify my reference to "Liberal Newspaper". It was strange to see the PP print a headline like that "Defense's scenario in Cottonwood school bus crash is discounted" considering they are sympathizers to the illegals in the sanctuary cities of San Fransico wannabe St. Paul and Minneapolis.
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OnTheLakeInLindstrom wrote:
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They didn't say "under" the gas pedal, they said between the pedal and the center console. I guess you'd have to know the design of this van to figure it out. I do know that some of these van do not have dashcoards where the center goes all the way to the floor boards, in which case it would be possible for a foot of a passenger to become wedged near the gas pedal. BTW.... I'm a retired accident reconstruction specialist. Retired before all the new computer programs came into play. Just using common sense knowledge I used during my employment (17yr.)
What kind of van are you assuming in your assessment? Are you saying that they were trying to switch places as the van just about hit the bus? I am glad that you are retired. Your judgment seems poor.
OnTheLakeInLinds trom

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There as many many way to extricate people from vehicles. From the very simple to the very extreme. I had not read that the "dash roll" was used to extricate her until today. My point still remains the same, That the possibility that she wasn't the driver still remains no matter how small. Because of the country we live in and the laws we has she is entitled to a fair trial. Let the courts decide if she is guilty or not and stop convicting her in the media.
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This woman stole someone else's identity, refused to give her real name, and it took the INS to reveal who she was. Of course, she has given us great reasons to believe she wasn't driving the van.
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OnTheLakeInLindstrom wrote:
"Defense's scenario in Cottonwood school bus crash is discounted"
Just the headline itself has her convicted already. Don't always believe what you read. Just because the momentum of the crash has it going forward doesn't mean you don't get thrown in all different directions in a accident. What you do and the movements you make just before impact determime where you land. If you see an impact coming and try to shield yourself from it can come into play on how and where you end up in a vehicle.
Who cars if she was driving or not! the point is they weren't suppose to be he, case close...end of story!!
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sounds like it was a magic bus, not a van.

poor little crimalien.

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Owl Gore wrote:
crimalien
"Criminalien" I think is what you mean.

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