Hundreds Begin Four-Day March in Lodi in Memory of Fallen Farm ...

Inside St. Anne's Church, there was no extra room to sit or stand. The mass that marked the start of a four-day, 40-mile walk was so full, many had to wait in the lobby or even outside. Full Story
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Pab

Stockton, CA

#46 Jun 2, 2008
JimmyZOC wrote:
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Pab your an idiot.
1. For thinking im mexican you imbreed piece of trailor park trash.
2. For thinking I don't have an education. Lets see I have an MBA and guess what education is worthless. You want to progress get trade skills or street smarts. None of the companies I have worked for ever asked for a POS degree. They are fortune 500 companies. Need I say more.
Well Jimmy, I never insulted you but since you have no problem doing so let's trade a few barbs, shall we.
You have an MBA, well you can barely write, what University did you steal the degree from?
You work for Fortune 500 companies and they never asked for your degree. Simple, certain jobs, like janitorial do not require a degree.
Please say more, I get a good laugh from your posts.
Have a great day and say hi to the CEO for me.
WOODY

Carmichael, CA

#47 Jun 2, 2008
JimmyZOC, I agree with Pab. You claim to be educated, and have an MBA. But, you can't spell, and display no knowledge of punctuation. Maybe you should cool it before you make a complete A$$ of yourself. You don't impress me at all. Maybe you washed dishes in the corporate cafeteria?
BS FLAG

Concord, CA

#49 Jun 2, 2008
JimmyZOC wrote:
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I have an MBA and guess what education is worthless. You want to progress get trade skills or street smarts. None of the companies I have worked for ever asked for a POS degree. They are fortune 500 companies. Need I say more.
If you have a MBA, it's from a box of Cracker Jacks or some fly by night college like National or Phoenix.

Education is the key to success in our society. Thank you for being the example of our failed public school system. Having an ignorant working class is the next step toward socialism or worse. So, put down the Playstation and pick up a book. Hopefully something that has more words than pictures.

This young girls death, although tragic, is being used by the workers union and the media for air time. Period. This story lacks the answers to the obvious questions:
1. Why wasn't she in school?
2. How far along was she?
3. Is the place she pasted out known for abusing workers? How is the facility?

Other than that, every one is assuming she was being held at gun point being force to work 12 hour days.
Gina

Sacramento, CA

#50 Jun 2, 2008
Pab wrote:
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You are correct, but if you read all the other posts, every time there is reference to legal or illegal farm workers the race, actually nationality card is played.
I don't have issues is just that when I constantly hear or read about how we are going to starve if we don't allow the whole world into this country it does strike a chord.
I think that the people with issues are those that stretch the truth to gain sympathy for their cause.
Fair enough, I doubt we'd starve but I'm sure food prices would soar and us the regular working class citizens will no be happy. So its a necessary evil in my opinion. Cheap labor cheap prices. Sad but true.
Jackie

Roseville, CA

#51 Jun 2, 2008
Oh geeze wrote:
I'd like to see all the people who have nothing good to say about farm workers get out there in the fields and see how much you like it. They are doing the work you would never consider doing. The next time you eat produce purchased at the grocery store, think about who might have been instrumental in getting it to your big mouth.
It is sad that this young woman, pregnant, lost her life. I see a lot of info missing, like where is her family or the father of her child? Was she here legally? Was she a rape victim? I haven't read that she had gone to get some water and rest, but was told to get back to work. I do see this story as a tool for the passage of the Amnesty bills. That doesn't address this story directly but it does work on gaining sympathy towards: migrant farm workers/illegal immigrants. I also have to think to all of the elderly American citizens who die from heat related illness because they cannot afford to turn on their A/C. I don't remember seeing such media exposure nor a march in their honor and to bring their mistreatment into the open. Again, I agree this is a sad story. I also want to state that my grandparents were farm workers. My grandmother used to tell us stories about throwing watermelon seeds in with the cotton seeds. Then when she was picking the cotton and came upon a watermelon she would break it open and eat the heart... I feel sorry for this young woman being pregnant period. Then you put with that the fact she was having to work the fields is even more sad. I hope that if this is a situation where she was forced to go back to work that the foreman who did so is brought to justice. I know some of my comments will not b popular and that is OK. I just think this young woman is becoming a convenient poster child for our WONDERFUL POLITICIANS!!!
BS FLAG

Concord, CA

#52 Jun 2, 2008
Everyone needs to go out and pick up a copy of "The Grapes of Wrath," and "The Jungle."

Soon, they will have 401k options and other benifits that will put more farmers out of business. We already import a portion of food. If the cost keep rising, it will drive the market off shore and everyone will lose. It's the same thing with our gas, technology, textiles, cars, everthing....But trying to explain basic economics is like urinating on a forest fire. All I get is burned.
Native AMERICAN

Vacaville, CA

#53 Jun 2, 2008
"A lot of farm workers have this problem," said Allison Arnold, who was marching despite a spinal condition that requires her to use crutches. "The law is not being followed, and people are getting really sick from the heat. The illness is terrible, but the way people are treated is terrible."

This Allison Arnold has the nerve to say that the LAW was not being followed.
#1. She was here ILLEGALLY!! She was not FOLLOWING THE LAW!!

#2. She was only 17 and pregnant. Where is the father? Where are her parents???

#3. We are expected to pay for this child even though she was here illegally.
Who

Sacramento, CA

#54 Jun 2, 2008
GOD IS GETTING MAD wrote:
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You ignorance and lack of FACTS is astounding. I suggest you read up on the fact before you babble on about crap you know nothing about. Oh ya, I am looking for someone to mow my lawn?? You interested??
I got an eigth you interested?
Who

Sacramento, CA

#55 Jun 2, 2008
BS FLAG wrote:
Everyone needs to go out and pick up a copy of "The Grapes of Wrath," and "The Jungle."
Soon, they will have 401k options and other benifits that will put more farmers out of business. We already import a portion of food. If the cost keep rising, it will drive the market off shore and everyone will lose. It's the same thing with our gas, technology, textiles, cars, everthing....But trying to explain basic economics is like urinating on a forest fire. All I get is burned.
You are all full of it? Just pray for your souls!!!!!!!!!
Dee

Sacramento, CA

#56 Jun 2, 2008
Raiderfan wrote:
If I 'member correctly, she was "18" when this story first surfaced...now she's "17"?
No, she was 17. Also, when she fell ill the boss told her fiance to lie to authorites about the circumstances because she was under age. He said that the fiance should say that she was exercising and got too hot. But I didnt hear the news report anything on that, how convenient.
WOODY

Carmichael, CA

#57 Jun 2, 2008
Dee, when the story first came out IT DID say she was 18yrs old.
Rose

Lodi, CA

#58 Jun 2, 2008
It is amazing that our people will do what it take's to earn a living.
going postal

Williams, CA

#59 Jun 2, 2008
Rsmom wrote:
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I am a white woman who picked in the fields and orchards around Tracy in the 1970's while in high school. It was common summer employment for high schoolers. I would love to see if the illegals are even getting paid minimum wage.
It seems to me that the contractors want to keep illegals for a cheap and easily exploited labor pool. By protecting illegal immigration, we are creating a slave labor market. And let's not forget, Cesar Chavez fought against illegal immigrants and often turned them into INS in his day.
I'm sure that 99.9% of farmers are paying their workers minimum or above. The elite media portrays farmers as dumb, but believe it or not, they are self-employed businessmen who are putting it all out on the line and taking huge financial risks. If you're caught paying less than minimum, not collecting SS or not carrying workman's comp, you will not be in business for very long.
Kenjii

Elk Grove, CA

#60 Jun 2, 2008
Thank you Jackie for getting it said in a superb manner.
I agree with your Jackie-San
Konichiwa
Jackie wrote:
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It is sad that this young woman, pregnant, lost her life. I see a lot of info missing, like where is her family or the father of her child? Was she here legally? Was she a rape victim? I haven't read that she had gone to get some water and rest, but was told to get back to work. I do see this story as a tool for the passage of the Amnesty bills. That doesn't address this story directly but it does work on gaining sympathy towards: migrant farm workers/illegal immigrants. I also have to think to all of the elderly American citizens who die from heat related illness because they cannot afford to turn on their A/C. I don't remember seeing such media exposure nor a march in their honor and to bring their mistreatment into the open. Again, I agree this is a sad story. I also want to state that my grandparents were farm workers. My grandmother used to tell us stories about throwing watermelon seeds in with the cotton seeds. Then when she was picking the cotton and came upon a watermelon she would break it open and eat the heart... I feel sorry for this young woman being pregnant period. Then you put with that the fact she was having to work the fields is even more sad. I hope that if this is a situation where she was forced to go back to work that the foreman who did so is brought to justice. I know some of my comments will not b popular and that is OK. I just think this young woman is becoming a convenient poster child for our WONDERFUL POLITICIANS!!!

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#61 Jun 3, 2008
WOODY wrote:
Dee, when the story first came out IT DID say she was 18yrs old.
Did she have a California school system work permit?
Rsmom

Sacramento, CA

#62 Jun 3, 2008
Gina wrote:
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Fair enough, I doubt we'd starve but I'm sure food prices would soar and us the regular working class citizens will no be happy. So its a necessary evil in my opinion. Cheap labor cheap prices. Sad but true.
That was the same argument they used against ending slavery in 1860's. It only spurred us to find more mechanical and superior means of picking cotton, tobacco and countless other crops. Is it politically correct to perpetuate the current abhorrent treatment of illegals in order to have cheap vegetables? Had she been a legal worker, would she have been afraid to walk 10 mins for water or would she have had the conviction to know she could speak up and not fear discovery?

Illegal immigrants are our new slaves and I, for one, would like to see it ended.
First, we must stop the influx and securing the border is the only way I can see this happening. Second, we must vigorously and harshly go after contractors and business who hire illegals. We still are a country of immigrants but we are also a country of laws. We can not pick and chose which to obey based on the price of tomatoes.

“Not really in Dallas”

Since: Dec 07

From Sacramento

#63 Jun 3, 2008
Rsmom wrote:
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That was the same argument they used against ending slavery in 1860's. It only spurred us to find more mechanical and superior means of picking cotton, tobacco and countless other crops. Is it politically correct to perpetuate the current abhorrent treatment of illegals in order to have cheap vegetables? Had she been a legal worker, would she have been afraid to walk 10 mins for water or would she have had the conviction to know she could speak up and not fear discovery?
Illegal immigrants are our new slaves and I, for one, would like to see it ended.
First, we must stop the influx and securing the border is the only way I can see this happening. Second, we must vigorously and harshly go after contractors and business who hire illegals. We still are a country of immigrants but we are also a country of laws. We can not pick and chose which to obey based on the price of tomatoes.
Ah, yes, the traditional comparison of illegal immigrant work to slavery... However, you are missing a glaringly OBVIOUS fact: The african slaves were brought here against their will and forced to work. The immigrants come here because they WANT to work here. I agree that working conditions need to improve... no one should die picking a cucumber... I fail to see how closing the borders would do this.
Rsmom

Sacramento, CA

#64 Jun 3, 2008
JasonB wrote:
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Ah, yes, the traditional comparison of illegal immigrant work to slavery... However, you are missing a glaringly OBVIOUS fact: The african slaves were brought here against their will and forced to work. The immigrants come here because they WANT to work here. I agree that working conditions need to improve... no one should die picking a cucumber... I fail to see how closing the borders would do this.
I was comparing the rational not the exact circumstance. She specifically stated that the cost of food justified the continued abuse of illegal workers. I disagreed and only compared the same agrument used during slavery (cost justifying the means). You have a point about the border, as long as companies are given a slap on the wrist for illegal hiring practices, the workers will continue coming. I just think we need to work on this from two approaches, put harsh penalties on the company and discourage the worker from crossing illegally into the county.

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