Hispanic exodus from Irving, TX hurts...

Hispanic exodus from Irving, TX hurts businesses

There are 258 comments on the HispanicTrending story from Oct 15, 2007, titled Hispanic exodus from Irving, TX hurts businesses. In it, HispanicTrending reports that:

“The cops are stopping everybody around here”

The bottom dropped out of Mike Granger's snack business almost immediately after the Mexican consul general in Dallas warned people to avoid this sprawling suburb. via HispanicTrending

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An old vet

Carrollton, TX

#1 Oct 15, 2007
I would suggest that Mr. Granger try a product that Americans would be interested in.
If he is trying to cater to illegals, then he has to understand that you reap what you sow.

Since: Oct 07

Richardson, TX

#2 Oct 15, 2007
Yes,agreed An old vet. I do not feel one bit sorry for him. He obviously ignored any population other than illegal or he would have still had customers.
JACKSON

Carrollton, TX

#3 Oct 16, 2007
A wealth of Information on how the illegal invaders affect us.

http://www.numbersusa.com/index
Born and Raised in Irving

Euless, TX

#4 Oct 17, 2007
I just came back to Irving after 17 years. I was born and raised here. I am extremely dissappointed in the changes with the illegal immigrant presence. The town is in terrible shape. The good shopping is gone. The grocery store personnel don't speak English. The crime is up. The school gangs are a bigger problem than ever. Uninsured motorists are just as big a problem and costing the law abiders thousands of dollars in repairs. The list goes on. KEEP ENFORCING THE IMMIGRATION LAWS and KEEP the Money coming back into the Irving system to clean it up again and make it the community it once was.

“...so I can see you.”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#5 Oct 18, 2007
Obviously, if your sales are going down you need to re-think what you are putting on the shelves and begin to purchase what your current consumers might need.

If all you put on the shelves is for illegal immigrants then of course your sales will go down when they are "relocated".

Any salesman should know that he needs to provide items that will attract every kind of customer, not just one kind.

If your customers all leave, then you should begin a research and marketing campaign to discover how to improve your store.
heath

Grand Prairie, TX

#6 Oct 18, 2007
idiots. he doesnt target illegal immigrants for business, he targets hispanics. not all hispanics are illegal. the issue in irving is the racial profiling that the local police conduct while working the streets. even if the hispanic is a legal citizen he is hesitant in going out in the city, especially when going to visit a hispanic owned business, simply because the chances of him getting pulled over has greatly increased because of the officer's perception (racism). this racism is what hurt his business. Bimbo brand products ARE mrs bairds products. how are pastries and such directed towards illegal immigrants anyways?

“...so I can see you.”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#7 Oct 18, 2007
Same thing. Why does he only target Hispanics? That is a big issue. He was providing only for "Hispanics"? Why?

The issue is NOT racial profiling. It has been proven by the mayor land police department that they were NOT profiling. Just because Mr. Quintanilla gets on his soapbox and proclaims it does not make it so.

The chances of him getting pulled over are not any more than normal. And he will not get pulled over unless there is just cause, such as breaking some law, the same as usual. Besides, if you are not breaking a law, there should be no fear of getting pulled over.

Mr. Quintanilla is just trying to cause an uproar. I don't believe anything he says any more.

As far as the products are concerned. I don't care what they were, if only hispanic people were buying them the store owner knew that.
He could have found other things that other people would by and attracted a larger customer population.

IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF LAW-ABIDING AMERICANS THAT THE STORE OWNER IS LOSING BUSINESS. IT IS THE FAULT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FOR CAUSING THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. Hispanic legal citizens would be having no problems right now unless there were problems with ILLEGAL aliens.

“...so I can see you.”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#8 Oct 18, 2007
heath wrote:
idiots. he doesnt target illegal immigrants for business, he targets hispanics. not all hispanics are illegal. the issue in irving is the racial profiling that the local police conduct while working the streets. even if the hispanic is a legal citizen he is hesitant in going out in the city, especially when going to visit a hispanic owned business, simply because the chances of him getting pulled over has greatly increased because of the officer's perception (racism). this racism is what hurt his business. Bimbo brand products ARE mrs bairds products. how are pastries and such directed towards illegal immigrants anyways?
P.S. It sure doesn't help for you to call us "idiots".
JACKSON

Carrollton, TX

#9 Oct 18, 2007
They need to be specific when they state that their buisness's are hurt by illegal aliens being sent back to their home land.
We really would like to know the details so we can make sure that the individuals that are so dependent on illegal aliens that if they are deported that their business will fail will never be a success in IRVING, TEXAS.
THIS IS NOT MEXICO.. NO STREET VENDORS

Since: Oct 07

Richardson, TX

#10 Oct 18, 2007
JACKSON wrote:
They need to be specific when they state that their buisness's are hurt by illegal aliens being sent back to their home land.
We really would like to know the details so we can make sure that the individuals that are so dependent on illegal aliens that if they are deported that their business will fail will never be a success in IRVING, TEXAS.
THIS IS NOT MEXICO.. NO STREET VENDORS
Hi Jackson, your street vendor remark reminded me. A week or two ago there was a story about street vendors and if they had the proper licenses... did you catch that?
heath

Grand Prairie, TX

#11 Oct 19, 2007
Open Your Eyes wrote:
Same thing. Why does he only target Hispanics? That is a big issue. He was providing only for "Hispanics"? Why?
The issue is NOT racial profiling. It has been proven by the mayor land police department that they were NOT profiling. Just because Mr. Quintanilla gets on his soapbox and proclaims it does not make it so.
The chances of him getting pulled over are not any more than normal. And he will not get pulled over unless there is just cause, such as breaking some law, the same as usual. Besides, if you are not breaking a law, there should be no fear of getting pulled over.
Mr. Quintanilla is just trying to cause an uproar. I don't believe anything he says any more.
As far as the products are concerned. I don't care what they were, if only hispanic people were buying them the store owner knew that.
He could have found other things that other people would by and attracted a larger customer population.
IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF LAW-ABIDING AMERICANS THAT THE STORE OWNER IS LOSING BUSINESS. IT IS THE FAULT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FOR CAUSING THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. Hispanic legal citizens would be having no problems right now unless there were problems with ILLEGAL aliens.
hispanics and illegal immigrants are the same? that's ridiculous. and he doesnt ONLY target hispanics. socioeconomical structure of a business MUST have a target market, this does not mean that they ONLY WANT THEIR BUSINESS but it means that they notice a free market business opportunity. i dont want to confuse you, but it seems as though your arguments are extremely shallow. and the probability of a hispanic being pulled over in irving has dramatically increased since the automation process of citizen verification between I.C.E and the city of irving. look it up. learn something. the trend for police officers in irving is to SEARCH for a minor infraction of the law in order to justifiably pull over a hispanic in order to verify citizenship. THIS, my friend, is racial profiling.
i am assuming that you are white. simply by the things you say and your frame of mind.
i am also assuming that you would NOT guess that i am white as well. and i am not seeing why you are so adamant about getting them out of here...and what is the PROBLEM they are causing?
heath

Grand Prairie, TX

#12 Oct 19, 2007
Open Your Eyes wrote:
<quoted text>
P.S. It sure doesn't help for you to call us "idiots".
it doesnt help what? and who is "us?" racists? racists are idiots. and i dont try to help racists.

“...so I can see you.”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#13 Oct 19, 2007
heath wrote:
<quoted text>
hispanics and illegal immigrants are the same? that's ridiculous. and he doesnt ONLY target hispanics. socioeconomical structure of a business MUST have a target market, this does not mean that they ONLY WANT THEIR BUSINESS but it means that they notice a free market business opportunity. i dont want to confuse you, but it seems as though your arguments are extremely shallow. and the probability of a hispanic being pulled over in irving has dramatically increased since the automation process of citizen verification between I.C.E and the city of irving. look it up. learn something. the trend for police officers in irving is to SEARCH for a minor infraction of the law in order to justifiably pull over a hispanic in order to verify citizenship. THIS, my friend, is racial profiling.
i am assuming that you are white. simply by the things you say and your frame of mind.
i am also assuming that you would NOT guess that i am white as well. and i am not seeing why you are so adamant about getting them out of here...and what is the PROBLEM they are causing?
I did NOT say that Hispanics and illegal immigrants were the same thing. You are the one who implied that... My point was that it is the concept that is the same concerning the target market. Whether he is targeting illegal immigrants or hispanics is not the point.

If he is losing business because illegal aliens are being deported, then he should find another "target market".

What I am adamant about is NOT blaming the policemen for a problem that was not caused by them in the first place - and NOT letting illegal immigrants decide what is best for the entire country.

If you don't know by now the PROBLEM of illegal immigration in this country, then anything I say is not going to make any difference to you.

“...so I can see you.”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#14 Oct 19, 2007
Open Your Eyes wrote:
<quoted text>
I did NOT say that Hispanics and illegal immigrants were the same thing. You are the one who implied that...
Sorry Heath, I have been reviewing your post and can see now that you are NOT the one who implied that Hispanics and illegal immigrants were the same thing. But neither did I; my position has always been that illegal immigrants are from many nationalities.
the good old days

Fort Worth, TX

#15 Oct 19, 2007
heath wrote:
<quoted text>
hispanics and illegal immigrants are the same? that's ridiculous. and he doesnt ONLY target hispanics. socioeconomical structure of a business MUST have a target market, this does not mean that they ONLY WANT THEIR BUSINESS but it means that they notice a free market business opportunity. i dont want to confuse you, but it seems as though your arguments are extremely shallow. and the probability of a hispanic being pulled over in irving has dramatically increased since the automation process of citizen verification between I.C.E and the city of irving. look it up. learn something. the trend for police officers in irving is to SEARCH for a minor infraction of the law in order to justifiably pull over a hispanic in order to verify citizenship. THIS, my friend, is racial profiling.
i am assuming that you are white. simply by the things you say and your frame of mind.
i am also assuming that you would NOT guess that i am white as well. and i am not seeing why you are so adamant about getting them out of here...and what is the PROBLEM they are causing?
Do you live in Irving , especially south Irving , and if so how long ? Take a look around and it is obvious .Wake up man !
heath

Grand Prairie, TX

#16 Oct 19, 2007
Open Your Eyes wrote:
<quoted text>
I did NOT say that Hispanics and illegal immigrants were the same thing. You are the one who implied that... My point was that it is the concept that is the same concerning the target market. Whether he is targeting illegal immigrants or hispanics is not the point.
If he is losing business because illegal aliens are being deported, then he should find another "target market".
What I am adamant about is NOT blaming the policemen for a problem that was not caused by them in the first place - and NOT letting illegal immigrants decide what is best for the entire country.
If you don't know by now the PROBLEM of illegal immigration in this country, then anything I say is not going to make any difference to you.
i am not blaming the police for the "problem" either. i am blaming the police of being racist.
and when have illegal immigrants ever decided Anything for the country? just list ONE landmark decision.
and the reason he Wanted to target the hispanic population is no one else's concern, this is an open market economic system. he saw an opportunity in this particular market and not he is experiencing what is know as free capitalism. business go up and down no matter what the target market is. the article is merely reporting the visible panic and insecurity in this very population. hispanics spend their money on our country. hispanics are responsible for keeping business alive. i live submerged in minorities. and if a single group of any of the minorities decided to stop making purchases in my city then a lot of small business will collapse. and if the customers are afraid of being targeted by police they will always seem suspicious to the outsider looking in.
and maybe if you had anything intelligent to say it might make a difference in me. but you just seem like a close minded racist white anglo saxon prostestant by your views.

“...so I can see you.”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#17 Oct 19, 2007
heath wrote:
<quoted text>
i am not blaming the police for the "problem" either. i am blaming the police of being racist.
and when have illegal immigrants ever decided Anything for the country? just list ONE landmark decision.
and the reason he Wanted to target the hispanic population is no one else's concern, this is an open market economic system. he saw an opportunity in this particular market and not he is experiencing what is know as free capitalism. business go up and down no matter what the target market is. the article is merely reporting the visible panic and insecurity in this very population. hispanics spend their money on our country. hispanics are responsible for keeping business alive. i live submerged in minorities. and if a single group of any of the minorities decided to stop making purchases in my city then a lot of small business will collapse. and if the customers are afraid of being targeted by police they will always seem suspicious to the outsider looking in.
and maybe if you had anything intelligent to say it might make a difference in me. but you just seem like a close minded racist white anglo saxon prostestant by your views.
You know, I have had a lot of intelligent discussions with people on these posts who did not feel the need to resort to name-calling and verbal bullying. Since you don't feel I have anything intelligent to say, I will not respond to your remarks.
WALKER

Carrollton, TX

#18 Oct 19, 2007
When there is not debate to be had, and the individuals involved no that they do not have a valid argument.. What do they do?
Play the RACE CARD.
That does not even work with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton anymore.
Jose Gomez

United States

#19 Oct 19, 2007
Obviously the City of Irving by accepting that they would accept identification to prevent someone from being deported, reaffirms what Mr. Quintanilla has been saying all along, a disparate application of the law, give a citation to the white folks, but arrest and deport Hispanics and immigrants.
MARY USA

Carrollton, TX

#20 Oct 19, 2007
Jose Gomez wrote:
Obviously the City of Irving by accepting that they would accept identification to prevent someone from being deported, reaffirms what Mr. Quintanilla has been saying all along, a disparate application of the law, give a citation to the white folks, but arrest and deport Hispanics and immigrants.
Dont say you care for Mexico if you are willing to be Americans slaves.. If it is brown,,, flush it down

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