Mankato student leaders to walk to St. Paul

There are 22 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 14, 2010, titled Mankato student leaders to walk to St. Paul. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

When Tom Williams and Brett Anderson campaigned for the Minnesota State University Student Association, they talked the talk about fighting higher tuition and lower state funding for higher education.

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StPaul TheNewDetroit

Saint Paul, MN

#1 May 14, 2010
What they need to do is close campuses! BSU, Winona State, Southwest State and scores of community colleges should close for good!
The real - NICE

Saint Paul, MN

#2 May 14, 2010
Good luck to them!
Gramps

Saint Paul, MN

#3 May 14, 2010
First off they should realize that politicians do not live up to commitments. Never have and never will expecially these days. Welcome to the school of HIGHER Learning (Experience). At least I hope you have a nice walk.
Ron Reagan

Minneapolis, MN

#4 May 14, 2010
Why not walk to the capital in protest of high salaries for teachers? Clearly if tution is being hiked again, maybe their being paid too much.
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#5 May 14, 2010
Clearly Americans need less education. We're not quite stupid enough yet.

Race to the bottom! Wave that flag!
MSU Alum

Shakopee, MN

#6 May 14, 2010
They really should drive up. Thier effort is totally pointless. If they wanted to save MnSCU money they should advocate for the schools' ability to budget long term maintenance on the building ratehr than being forced to bond for improvements.

Further, cut the School of Social Work, MSU is training another generation of professionals that will be employed by government to deliver services to lazy people.

I think I'll drive into St. Paul on Monday to see if these guys make it to town, if they do I'll be here to let them know that they have totally wasted thier time, unless they're just doing it to get chicks.
Gramps

Saint Paul, MN

#7 May 14, 2010
One added factor is that they or I should say mom & dad will have to get them to stop making those trips back and forth to the casinos and put those additional bucks to learning something besides how to throw their bucks down the drain gambling and drinking.
Bob

Hastings, MN

#8 May 14, 2010
MSU Alum wrote:
that they have totally wasted thier time, unless they're just doing it to get chicks.
Bingo. Unless there gay the only thing on the minds of college age guys are getting laid and when is the next party. Let's be honest here.
Dave

Plymouth, MN

#9 May 14, 2010
Yawn
Mankato

Mankato, MN

#10 May 15, 2010
Ron Reagan wrote:
Why not walk to the capital in protest of high salaries for teachers? Clearly if tution is being hiked again, maybe their being paid too much.
Obviously they ARE being paid too much. At least the one who taught you your grammar is. "tution" and "their being paid too much" just proves your point, I guess.
Bob the Bilderberg

Minneapolis, MN

#11 May 15, 2010
Anybody who's going to Mankato isn't a serious intellect anyway so they might as well sign up for the carpenters union and learn to make a decent living doing something society actually needs.
Ken2

United States

#12 May 17, 2010
What a bunch of self-induced ignorant cynics. The problem is, the current state administration is unwilling to pay for education (they would rather pay for stadiums). I think these guys nailed the issue. There is a direct correlation between the education level of a society and the crime rate. Better educations pays-off in lower crime, higher and a more stable tax base. Current Republican leadership (and uninformed followers) would rather not assume the costs and responsibilities, but just enjoy the benefits.
Ken2

United States

#13 May 17, 2010
Bob the Bilderberg wrote:
Anybody who's going to Mankato isn't a serious intellect anyway so they might as well sign up for the carpenters union and learn to make a decent living doing something society actually needs.
Yeah, cuz there's no unemployed carpenters out there - we need more of those. Or how about carpenters that work off the books and don't pay taxes on their unreported cash income - probably none of those. I know you would never do that, Bob, but how about less hypocrisy and attacks.
Bob the Bilderberg

Minneapolis, MN

#14 May 17, 2010
Ken2 wrote:
There is a direct correlation between the education level of a society and the crime rate. Better educations pays-off in lower crime, higher and a more stable tax base.
Maybe, but what's that got to do with Mankato?
Intellectual

Mankato, MN

#15 May 18, 2010
Bob the Bilderberg wrote:
Anybody who's going to Mankato isn't a serious intellect anyway so they might as well sign up for the carpenters union and learn to make a decent living doing something society actually needs.
As a student who has attended a handful of colleges, I laughed when read your post. As a MSU alum, I can say that the quality of education at MSU Mankato is not very different than the quality of other MN colleges. The difference is that Mankato is fiscally a better value than most other schools. Therefore, we use less public funding than say the U, which is good for your stingy self. Check course transfer qualifications between schools and school accreditation next time before you speak. It sounds like you might be an uneducated carpenter, disillusioned because you weren't smart enough for a degree ;) Keep building roads, shelters, etc. with my money, and I will continue to support politicians that believe in generous education for the betterment of our economy, reduction in poverty, reduction in welfare, etc.
Bob the Bilderberg

Minneapolis, MN

#16 May 18, 2010
Intellectual wrote:
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As a student who has attended a handful of colleges, I laughed when read your post. As a MSU alum, I can say that the quality of education at MSU Mankato is not very different than the quality of other MN colleges. The difference is that Mankato is fiscally a better value than most other schools. Therefore, we use less public funding than say the U, which is good for your stingy self. Check course transfer qualifications between schools and school accreditation next time before you speak. It sounds like you might be an uneducated carpenter, disillusioned because you weren't smart enough for a degree ;) Keep building roads, shelters, etc. with my money, and I will continue to support politicians that believe in generous education for the betterment of our economy, reduction in poverty, reduction in welfare, etc.
Still looking to apply that BA in Women's Studies, eh?
Wade Gustafson

Saint Paul, MN

#17 May 18, 2010
One of the problems with higher education is the lower enrollments. There are the same number of universities going after fewer potential students.

The baby boomers were the peak of enrollment for these colleges and the boomers had fewer children than their parents.
Tom Williams

Savage, MN

#18 May 19, 2010
As one of the students on the walk I'm glad to see that people are paying attention. I will be addressing all the critics so be patient:

First St.Paul TheNewDetroit: I agree it's time the state looks at this option seriously. By keeping every campus open while decreasing funding it sets the whole system up for failure.

Gramps: First, I am truly offended that you would generalize the student population. I pay for my education from my own pocket by working upwards of 30 hours a week while maintaining full-time student status and devoting 15-20 hours a week in student government. If you can find time to work in a social life I would gladly appreciate your advice. And I am certainly not the exception. In 1970, a student would have had to work 4 hours per week at minimum wage to pay for tuition, now they have to work 20 hours per week and this isn't including room/board, families, or any other expenses they have. There are 15,000 students at Mankato alone, come check to see if they are all at the bars or partying.

Ron Reagan: Mankato has been in a pay freeze since last year and this past year we lost 80 professors due to budget cuts. I do agree with their salaries, what I don't agree with is tenure in its current form. We have advocated to our administration, the IFO (faculty union), and legislators for tenure review. This would still guarantee their position but with the caveat of passing their review every number of years.

MSU Alum: Driving to the Capitol only goes so far. Would we have received the attention if we simply drove?

The reality is that if the state wants economic growth it has to fund higher education. For every $1 dollar the state invests in higher ed. it receives almost $11 back. Plus an educated work force creates a larger tax-base; on average those with a college diploma will earn roughly $1 million more in a lifetime than those with only a high school education. Furthermore, during an economic recession enrollment to colleges and universities increases, meaning that higher ed. is responsible for retraining the unemployed. New/small businesses and innovation predominately are results of a highly educated work force.

In response to your comment about the social work program, should the College of Education be cut as well? Potentially the law enforcement program? Maybe the public administration program? All of these graduates will be employed by the government, and according to Gramps students are just gamblers and drunkards so why even fund education? My point being, take away your personal vendetta against certain programs to truly become educated on the work and services they provide. It's social workers that will remove the abused child from the home, work with special ed. students in the schools, help families with children who have attempted suicide or struggling with depression, and help families looking to adopt. Do those sound like lazy people?

Finally, I never saw you on Monday?
Tom Williams

Savage, MN

#19 May 19, 2010
Bob: Another generalization. People complain about the apathy of students and when some finally decide to take part and make their voice heard they're criticized for what? Not for the merit of their cause or argument but for generalizations and stereotypes? Are we worried about the next party or when we're going to get laid if we're walking to the Capitol to raise awareness of growing student debt (average student leaving a state school is roughly $26,000), loss of services, and programs? Students are paying more yet receiving larger classes, fewer class offerings, less services, and ultimately devalued degrees.

Bob the Bilderberg: I'll inform you of just some of the programs Mankato offers that are considered to be some of the best in the nation or state.

Automotive Engineering- Offering one of the only 4 year degrees in this field Mankato continually wins awards for automotive innovation.

Law Enforcement- Considered to be one of the top 5 programs in the nation.

Theatre- Best in the Midwest and considered to be one of the top 10 best theatre programs from a public institution.

Nursing- One of the most competitive programs and considered best in the state.

Masters in Business- Our Masters program was recently ranked in the top 301 best business schools in the nation by Forbes magazine.

Minnesota State University- Mankato overall was listed in Forbes top 501 schools in the nation.

Nurses, police officers, engineers, teachers, economists, businessmen/women, dental hygienists, psychologists, etc. would you consider these professions useless to society?

Wade Gustafson brings up a great point. Tuition currently provides 55% of the total revenue for higher education and in 2012 the amount of high school graduates in the state starts declining. A decrease in potential college students will result in further budget shortages at the colleges and universities leading to continually de-valued degrees.

If you wish to have an intelligent conversation about the status of higher education in the state then feel free to contact me. I stood up for something that I believe is the backbone of the economy and the stable path to economic recovery. What did you do this weekend?
Tom Williams

Savage, MN

#21 May 19, 2010
I apologize for the repetitive post, my computer froze.

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