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Suicide tips creepy and sick, attorney says, but not illegal

There are 24 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Feb 17, 2011, titled Suicide tips creepy and sick, attorney says, but not illegal. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

What his client did was "obsessive, morbid, abhorrent, sick" and "creepy," defense attorney Terry Watkins told a judge Thursday in Faribault, Minn.

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Dave

Plymouth, MN

#1 Feb 25, 2011
Oh lets charge him with something anyway and see what a jury gives him. If I was on the jury I'd vote to lock him up for 100 years no matter what some a-hole lawyer told me.
Alrighty then

Mosinee, WI

#2 Feb 25, 2011
What he did was not different than if he had handed them a bottle of pills or a rope. He preyed on vulnerable(Definition for vulnerable
- without adequate protection: open to physical or emotional harm
- extremely susceptible: easily persuadable or liable to give in to temptation
- physically or psychologically weak: unable to resist illness, debility, or failure)people who were hurting. Throw away the key!!!
New Guy on the Block

Marble Falls, TX

#3 Feb 25, 2011
Jack Kavorkian went to jail for doing the same thing. That's where this guy belongs too.
sam i am

Chippewa Falls, WI

#4 Feb 25, 2011
just looking at this guy you want to punch him in the face, what a piece of shet
Cory

Dresser, WI

#6 Feb 25, 2011
Why don't you all go jump off a bridge. Ummm...Should I go to prison for saying that? I'm not saying what this guy did was morally right, but these people didn't have to do what he said. What happened to free will?
sam i am

Chippewa Falls, WI

#7 Feb 25, 2011
dum dums wrote:
the man deserves a medal for ridding the world of 2 useless people.
how did he miss you, it could have been 3.

“Ahhhh hee ahw”

Since: Aug 09

Twin Cities

#8 Feb 25, 2011
the pain he has caused is beyond all measure
wally

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Feb 25, 2011
this guy should jump off a bridge!
Frank

Trenton, NJ

#10 Feb 25, 2011
"If I was on the jury I'd vote to lock him up for 100 years no matter what some **** lawyer told me"

Which is probably why the defendant opted for a trial by judge, not jury.

It's an interesting question. His own attorney states there must have been "an immediate and imminent incitement" to the act, which he denies existed.

In the one case, suicide followed the incitement within two hours. If not immediate, certainly imminent.

Again, remember he didn't say "Why don't you just kill yourself" or "Jump off a bridge you loser"

He said I'm going to do it too and here is the best way to do it. He admittedly encouraged recognizably vulnerable people into doing what he wanted by giving them not only technical advice but making false statements to them.

Would those of you who feel it is entirely the fault of the suicides feel the same if the potential suicides he influenced were minors - say a clinically depressed 13 year old? Why or why not?
Thrall

Pell City, AL

#11 Feb 25, 2011
If crime lords can be charged with murder even though they did not participate in the actual murder [ Charlie Manson wasn't even there the night of the Tate murders ], and accomplices to a minor crime can also be charged with murder if one of their party kills someone- then this POS can be charged with murder for facilitating the death of someone else. As opposed to Kevorkian (who was also charged) these people did not have a terminal illness and no hope. He is a predator, and used deceptions and lies to take advantage of those weaker than himself. Obviously bad intent, and it is the function of society to protect the weaker individuals from opportunists. Free will is an issue, but depression compromises that will. If this guy were preying on minors, or the mentally retarded...does that change the perception or free will? I think it does. We all have ups and downs in our mental state, and someone trolling for those in a weak, vulnerable state is particularly reprehensible because his victims might have gone on to fulfilling lives if given encouragement instead of devilry.
Gardy

Byron, MN

#12 Feb 25, 2011
If he's not convicted in the US, we need to extradite him to the UK, where it is illegal.

A person who aids, abets, counsels or procures the suicide of another, or attempt by another to commit suicide shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Act_1961
Huh

Chesterfield, MO

#13 Feb 25, 2011
How sick does one have to be to be "obsessed with suicide and hanging"? I agree with Sam I am, I'd like to punvh him in the face too!
MinnesOOOOOOOOOt a

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Feb 25, 2011
Cory wrote:
Why don't you all go jump off a bridge. Ummm...Should I go to prison for saying that? I'm not saying what this guy did was morally right, but these people didn't have to do what he said. What happened to free will?
you're 100% correct. Didn't anyone have parents who would tell ya, "well if your friend told you to jump off a bridge would you?"

You know, maybe we should convict the producer of the TV show they watched that night that push them (no pun intended) over the edge. Maybe we should convict the maker of a video game! Thats the reason!

Imagine how many criminals would be walking free today if it was "my buddy told me to do it" fault versus their own actions.
Frank

Trenton, NJ

#15 Feb 25, 2011
"Why don't you all go jump off a bridge..."

Cory & Minnes,

You honestly don't see any difference between the situation described by Cory and the situation under discussion?

Do you believe that it is impossible for someone to bring what is known legally as undue influence or duress?
Frank

Trenton, NJ

#16 Feb 25, 2011
I had to run before continuing with that idea.

Now, undue influence is not a new concept of the "liberal courts" in this age of no personal responsibility. It is long recognized that certain persons, by virtue of their mental/emotional state are more easily influenced in their decision making by others.

Guy comes around and sells your elderly grandmother a $10,000 driveway sealing job which he completes in a half hour - is that entirely her problem "Tough luck, Granny"? Or is it likely that the salesman/con artist/crook took advantage of her mental state? She didn't have to agree, no one held a gun to her head...
MinnesOOOOOOOOOt a

Saint Paul, MN

#17 Feb 25, 2011
Frank wrote:
I had to run before continuing with that idea.
Now, undue influence is not a new concept of the "liberal courts" in this age of no personal responsibility. It is long recognized that certain persons, by virtue of their mental/emotional state are more easily influenced in their decision making by others.
Guy comes around and sells your elderly grandmother a $10,000 driveway sealing job which he completes in a half hour - is that entirely her problem "Tough luck, Granny"? Or is it likely that the salesman/con artist/crook took advantage of her mental state? She didn't have to agree, no one held a gun to her head...
I think its harder than the elderly scenario you describe. Too many other factors.
Who can prove what caused that final act? How do you know? It may have been the person watched Notebook and got sad. Maybe they didnt get a call from their parents... You can't just say, his words are the direct result of them killing themselves. Either way the guy is messed up for talking to someone that way and is a horrible Horrible person, but to say he killed them...Seems hard to prove his words alone caused it as anything could trigger that action.
The Oncoming Storm

Australia

#18 Feb 25, 2011
The court needs to make an example of Melchert Dinkel. This creep is a predator who preyed upon the vulnerable, and begged and incited them to act on their suicidal feelings. What this creature did is criminal solicitation at best, murder at worst. However, it's a pity that the US Congress has still left HR 853, the Suzanne Gonzales Suicide Prevention Act of 2009, lie dormant in "committee" instead of bringing the Act before the Houses for a vote.

Had HR 853 been passed into law, Melchert Dinkell would most likely have been charged under it and a long prison term would have been a certainty.
Frank

Trenton, NJ

#19 Feb 28, 2011
"You can't just say, his words are the direct result of them killing themselves"

Nobody is "just saying". There is a trial ongoing, I noted it is a difficult question.

One thing that strikes is the juxtaposition in time with the one suicide - following by two hours certainly leaves time for other influences - but not much.

The article was not clear whether or not the other used the specific rope arrangement suggested/urged by defendant, but if it was used, certainly seems to be facilitating.
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Feb 28, 2011
Gardy wrote:
If he's not convicted in the US, we need to extradite him to the UK, where it is illegal.
A person who aids, abets, counsels or procures the suicide of another, or attempt by another to commit suicide shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Act_1961
The UK would have to request extradition. We can't just send him there. Perhaps the British government is keeping an eye on the case to see what happens in this trial.
duh

New Haven, CT

#21 Feb 28, 2011
why would you take advice from online "suicide experts"- if they were any good at it they'd be dead

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