Far Hills Pastor Resigns Amid Controv...

Far Hills Pastor Resigns Amid Controversy

There are 868 comments on the WDTN-TV Dayton story from Nov 7, 2006, titled Far Hills Pastor Resigns Amid Controversy. In it, WDTN-TV Dayton reports that:

He was supposed to be a role model for a Miami Valley's mega-church. But just days ago, John Jackson, Pastor of the Far Hills Community Church resigned after having apparently admitting to an unnamed sin.

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Jay

Fort Recovery, OH

#1 Nov 11, 2006
Who knows Johns' heart best? A:co-workers, close friends and Jesus SO: since 76% of Far Hills paid staff has resigned (they worked with John daily, thru this takeover, and for years before) and Every Volunteer I know are supporting www.Grace-Movement.org , and meeting at Cline School in Centerville at 10:30 this Sunday, maybe the press is wrong!
Why did the takeover-legal-artisists remove "The Grace Place" from the church sign and web site their first day?
Could their hearts lust for the 40 Acres of commercial ground in Centerville that the church owns?
What does Jesus tell you to do about this? Ask Him!
anonymous

Dayton, OH

#2 Nov 11, 2006
its no one's place except God's to judge John
TLJ

Los Angeles, CA

#5 Nov 13, 2006
The problem here is that Grace and Truth must be balanced. Jesus came to exemplify Grace, no doubt, but without Truth there is no balance. "The Word became flesh...the glory of the One and Onlyy...full of Grace and Truth." Truth without Grace breeds self-righteousness and crushing legalism. But Grace without Truth breeds deception and moral compromise. Jesus embraced both in balance. We don't need Grace OR Truth. We need Grace AND Truth. And for people to see Jesus in us, they must see both. The "Grace" Place may not be the best name - maybe the Grace AND Truth place is best for both are essential to loving our neighbors.
TLJ

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Nov 13, 2006
The problem here is that Grace and Truth must be balanced. Jesus came to exemplify Grace, no doubt, but without Truth there is no balance."The Word became flesh...the glory of the One and Onlyy...full of Grace and Truth." Truth without Grace breeds self-righteousness and crushing legalism. But Grace without Truth breeds deception and moral compromise. Jesus embraced both in balance. We don't need Grace OR Truth. We need Grace AND Truth. And for people to see Jesus in us, they must see both. The "Grace" Place may not be the best name - maybe the Grace AND Truth place is best for both are essential to loving our neighbors.
Just wondering

AOL

#7 Nov 14, 2006
There are people within the church that had no idea that the church was about to split. Those who do not have a paper membership to the church, but who did feel like they were a part of the church are left trying to understand what is going on and where they actually belong. The sides have been chosen and neither side realizes that there is a whole other group out there that are still seeking answers. The problem is they belong nowhere. Without an official membership paper we are left wondering.
a brother who knows

O Fallon, MO

#8 Nov 14, 2006
WOW, I think "FORMER MEMBER" better think before he types lies and deception. "Former Member" is obviously angry with John long before this ever happened. John did not expect to stay in church leadership after his incident which you also have wrong but "Former Member" didn't hesitate to spell out eronious information in order bring further damage. John did resign but was asked to stay on by the Elders as he worked through this and sought help. A few of the leaders decided that they didn't want to help him through this time and would rather make things even uglier by going to the press and casting the first stones. They were blameless Christians of course who will sit at the right hand of God I'm quite sure. And it was his staff that knew John best that RESIGNED. He didnt fire everyone. Your tongue and typing hand are wicked! Just because a person is in a leadership role we think they are untouchable and always live beyond reproach. Yet they are human and have been born with a sin nature just like all of us. So why then is it that we cannot forgive. What leader in the bible was blameless except for Jesus? NONE! What fools to want to crucify your brothers in Christ, damage the church, hinder the faith, and allow Satan another victory. You can say you don't like John. You can say that what he did hurt himself, his family, and the church. But ultimately he helped change more lives for the cause of Christ, was called by God, has a loving desire to help people, and although he is battered and bruised, still has a calling to fullfill. You who is without sin, cast the first stone! Are you a male? Tell me that in todays society that you have never seen pornography? Be honest. This is an issue that will CRUSH THIS NATION and many many more church leaders to come. It is an issue that we don't want to face or talk about. We as men are designed by God to be turned on by sight and satan has not only preverted this but has brought it into EVERY home and church and business in the country! With a click of the mouse you are there. It's addictive. It's like all men and I do mean ALL men are "alcaholics" and satan is waving the drink under our noses in our homes and businesses. Society is slowing learning to accept it and embrace it. You can say you don't look at it but I bet your kids do or have before. Or maybe your head is just that far in the sand. Maybe Far Hills should now call themselves "Far in the Sand" church. Wake up out there. We have alot bigger fish to fry than our downfallen leaders who have been shot in the battle. Pray for John and his family and the church and the community. And if you think it could never happen to you, then you will be biggest fool of all.
Former Member

South Vienna, OH

#9 Nov 14, 2006
Wow! Everyone is guilty of sin, therefore accountability is discarded? Let's stick to scripture.

1 Timothy 3:1 - 7 (NASB) 1It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), 6and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. 7And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Above reproach and having a good reputation with those outside the church are keys for a pastor. This does not say without sin. Pastors that make serious falls morally are unfortunately disqualified from leadership. Most willingly step down.

Enough said.
CURRENT member

United States

#10 Nov 14, 2006
I've read this page with interest for the past couple days. As a CURRENT member of FHCC I've been surfing the web just out of curiosity to see what sorts of things (if anything) are popping up on the web about the church.

Former member has it right. John disqualified himself from leadership based on his sin, which was MORE than just dabbling in pornography...so much more. But beyond that...allowing an atmosphere of deception, and outright lies to grow in the church...I feel that was even more reprehensible than whatever sin he initially committed.

TLJ...I really appreciate your post. FHCC had plenty of Grace, but very little truth these past several months. And those that DID try to speak the truth were asked/told to keep quiet/left on their own/were fired.

Brother who knows...your opinion is yours...but wrong in so many ways...I don't know where to start. You say:
"Just because a person is in a leadership role we think they are untouchable and always live beyond reproach."

1 Timothy 3:1 - 7 (NASB) 1It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2An overseer, then, MUST BE ABOVE REPROACH

Yes...they are to live that way. Does that mean they never sin? Hardly, but when they do, the recognize it and admit it and deal with it the proper ways rather than attempt to perform 'spin' and 'damage control.'

You say:
"John did not expect to stay in church leadership after his incident which you also have wrong but "Former Member" didn't hesitate to spell out eronious information in order bring further damage. John did resign but was asked to stay on by the Elders as he worked through this and sought help."

That's just not true in so many ways. John never resigned when he initially came forward. And if he DID...then the church was lied to about it. The church was told in July that removing John and John stepping down was never an issue. John and the leadership at the time had every intention of bringing John back to the senior pastor role ASAP. As far as his 'incident'...former member had it correct. You can call it what you want...play with words...but former member described what happened pretty accurately.

Honestly, I'm sorry for John. I'm even sorrier for his family and children. I'm sorry for FHCC and all the pain the leadership's pride and arrogance have caused. I'm sorry for pastors that were fired or put in a position where they felt they had no choice but to resign. I'm sorry for all the members that left the church because they couldn't support a ministry that preached authenticity and transparency, but didn't feel it necessary to apply those principles to themselves as leadership. But am I sorry he is gone and the church is no longer held hostage and tangled in webs of lies and deceit? Sorry to say, not really. He should have resigned months ago.

I was in a class a few years ago that John taught. He said numerous times during those 10 weeks that he always told his children, "choices have consequences." He said that was a lesson that he really wanted them to learn. Sad they had to learn it this way.
Current Member 2

Dayton, OH

#11 Nov 14, 2006
I see it the same was as Current Member states it above. It was never the sin that caused this to all happen. It was JJ's arrogance and total dictatorship that led to this end. 2 of the 4 (original) elders remain at Far Hills. Many of the staff that were fired or coerced into leaving have returned.
It is true that over 400 people followed John to the new church plant and that is a good thing. Over 1400 remain at Far Hills seeking to repair the damage and restore relationships destroyed by Johns actions.
I for one have been given the "we can agree to disagree" speech by John. There was no room at the old Far Hills for any difference of opinion with John. I wish him and his new leadership team the most success.
Excited About Grace

Gallipolis, OH

#12 Nov 15, 2006
I attended the first service of the Grace Movement and it was awesome. The church's name is going to be The Gathering with an under tag of Where Grace and People Meet. The hand of God almighty was there and His power and might was evident. I have never been to a service like this. There were over 525 people who showed up (on three days notice) and there well could be over 700 people show up this week. There were several vistors looking for a church that lives grace and not talks grace. God's hand is ever present and I think this church will change the Miami Valley for the name of Jesus Christ. John Jackson will be used greatly for the kingdom of God. Just like Peter, Abraham, Moses, David and etc. Praise God from whom all blessings flow.
Progession

Gallipolis, OH

#13 Nov 15, 2006
Please take a moment to read these verses. I Timothy 4:15-16. If you study these verses they will show you that progession and not perfection is the key to applying I Timothy 3. If this is not the case then no one would be qualified to be a pastor, elder or a deacon. Ask Howard Hendrics from Dallas Theological Seminary.
Lynn

United States

#14 Nov 15, 2006
I'm glad you're excited about grace, Excited About Grace. I just had an e-mail forwarded to me, written by a member of Far Hills Community, who is also a buisness owner. She said last Sunday services were both packed out there, and that she sees very positive changes already happening, too.

I hope that both churches will be used by God to be a positive witness to Jesus to the community.
Progression

Gallipolis, OH

#16 Nov 15, 2006
Just wondering wrote:
There are people within the church that had no idea that the church was about to split. Those who do not have a paper membership to the church, but who did feel like they were a part of the church are left trying to understand what is going on and where they actually belong. The sides have been chosen and neither side realizes that there is a whole other group out there that are still seeking answers. The problem is they belong nowhere. Without an official membership paper we are left wondering.
Just Wondering if you want to know more about the Grace Movement all you have to do is go to www.grace-movement.org . This site will tell you about what is going on with the new church that called John Jackson as their pastor.
Current Member

AOL

#17 Nov 15, 2006
What is wrong with all of you people? You act like a bunch of 2 year olds. How can you get on here and say such things to each other? You all should be ashamed of yourselves. The first person asked what Jesus would have done, well, not this. How can we all air our church problems to the whole world like this? All because one man made a mistake and now we are all divided. We aren't here to serve man, but Jesus Christ. Who out there in the world will listen to our gospel message now, they all probably think we are a bunch of nuts? And from what I am reading here, they wouldn't be far off. That is what Satan wants, he wants all of us divided and tearing each other apart, instead of out saving souls for the kingdom of God. These are the last days and time is running out. How many people will be lost because we are sitting around worrying about this problem and trying to be right.
Who cares who is right? What will we say to Jesus on that day, oh, sorry Lord, we were too busy fighting about who was right or wrong in our church?
Its time to get on the bandwagon and quit all of this foolishness. The people of the Miami Valley need us, and we have failed all of them. It's not about who is in control or who has done what, it's about our families, friends, coworkers, neighbors and anyone else out there who is lost and needs Christ. What are we going to do about that?
Ronnie Murrill

Englewood, OH

#18 Nov 15, 2006
I am not a member of either group but I want to say this: that God uses those wo have a broken and contrite spirit. It is easy to judge another's failure. However; instead of magnifying sin and rejoicing in anothers wrongdoing. We should be mourning over the idle gossip that is spreading like wildfire troughout the community. This should be contained and made a matter of prayer that God would bring healing and redemption. There is an appalling statistic in Souther Baptist Churches that needs to be reasoned out. Every six hours an SBC pastor is being forced out of his position. There can be something said about a support network for pastors wo are hurting because of the stress to perform. I would encourage anyone to humble themselves before God and look inward and deal with there own sins, but also to pray for this pastor that God would give him victory and integrity to be God's servant as He as intended Him to be. No matter wat you think about him, you must remember that God's call does not change wen we fail. It develops when are broken before the Lord.

God Bless..........
Former Member

South Vienna, OH

#19 Nov 16, 2006
With regard to the comment that "God's call does not change when we fail," let me say quickly that it does indeed change. There are many instances where God called someone to be His representativ to the people, and that person failed and was then rejected by God. Look at this passage as an example.......

Hosea 4:6 (NASB) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God,I also will forget your children.

The verse many quote on the call of God is

Romans 11:29 (NASB) for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

This verse is with regard to God's choosing of Israel and His plan to one day save all of Israel, as Paul explained at the beginning of that chapter in

Romans 11:1 - 2 (NASB) I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew......

Positions of leadership in the ministry are conditional. Our pastors must be above reproach. We need Godly leaders.
Tenn friend

Maryville, TN

#20 Nov 16, 2006
John Jackson has become just like the people he despised and stood against at the last church he served as Associate Pastor. I don't even recognize the descriptions of him by the people who know him now! He was the person whose witness I admired the most. God help us all!
grace movement

Dayton, OH

#21 Nov 16, 2006
John is still the most admirable man I know. Don't give up on him because of this slander. God is doing an amazing work through him now. If he was truely someone you appreciated call him.
S Harris

Dayton, OH

#22 Nov 16, 2006
Dear Former Member, Current Member and Current Member 2

The problem with these blogs is that no one is accountable to what they say. This is the newest gossip chain where you can say whatever you want and noone knows who you are.

I called Far Hills today and they were deeply saddend by your comments. They assured me that your words are as harmful to them as they are to John. What is worse is that much of what you say is lies. You'll notice that I used my real name. I want to challenge you to use your real names so that the people of Far Hills who are working so hard to repair the damage that has been done will know who keeps this junk going.

Jesus told us our words would be judged. Without thought or concern you gossip and slander. Maybe you should buy a sharpie so you can permanently remove all the verses about love a grace you had to trample to form your opinions. Or what about all the broken men that God used. You should cross out the story of David for his adultery and murder, get rid of Moses for he was a murderer, Abraham with his huge character flaw, the apostle Paul who was at the least an accomplice to murder and Peter who betrayed the Lord.

I am praying for healing at Far Hills and for the success of The Grace Movement. I am also praying for John and his family.

John, if you, your wife or your baby girls have to read any of this nonesense I am sorry. Please be strong and know that so many love and respect you. God has an amazing work in store for your life. You don't deserve any of this hurtfulness. I could only wish that I would have lived as perfect and pure a life as you. Hang in there!
former member

Cincinnati, OH

#23 Nov 16, 2006
Moses was not allowed to enter the promised land because of his sin. David was not allowed to build the Temple because of his sin.
They accepted this and moved on.

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