Predators Vs. Pets -- Courant.com

There are 69 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Aug 7, 2007, titled Predators Vs. Pets -- Courant.com. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

A month ago, when Bianca LaPorta's silver-gray cat, Timmi, went missing, LaPorta blamed it on the full moon.

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Nunya

Dallas, TX

#67 Aug 17, 2007
Felcie wrote:
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I've never claimed I hunt only for wildlife managment so don't put words in my mouth.I did say hunters do a very good job of controlling animal populations and put $$$ into the economy. I do know guys who hunt for the primary purpose of management it's called a "crop damage permit" and farmers recruit hunters to shoot deer on their property during the "off" season. Christmas tree farms as well as vegitable farmers rely on these hunters to keep the deer in check before the deer eat up all their profits.
One thing you need to face is as soon as man started moving out of ther tipee's and clearing the land and building houses, highways and cities the whole "natural" way of the animals changed and unless your willing to give up the planted it will not be the same. We are a preditor at the top of the food chain.Connecticut has a higher deer population now that EVER in history, why you may ask? Before CT was colonized it had huge old growth forests that didn't sustain a fraction of the deer population that we have now. Than by the middle 1880's CT was almost completely deforested and there were almost NO deer remaining in the state,It's only in the last 100 years that CT forests have grown back but their is sooo much young growth that it's able to sustain a large deer population. It's becoming over populated in may areas because of housing developments, areas that were once hunted that are no longer accesable to hunters.
Lets look at what happens without the natural preditors and hunters. Racoons are a great example,trappers once kept their numbers low but with a poor fur market created by the anti's their population was allowed to florish and overpopulate. Rabies spread like wild and became a problem. I'm sure everyone knows someone whos pet was effected by it, I know I do. So should we add them to the list of animals we need to add to the steralization program? Better have another fund raiser!
99% of hunters and trappers I know are very concered about properly managing the wildlife. I want to hunt and trap for years to come and I want my son to have the same opertunity so if I were the trigger happy killer you portray me as I would be out their blasting their heads off daily, but I'm not. I do take great pride in being able to "hunt" for an animal. It's not as easy as you may think it is.It's a skill that takes years to learn. And I resent ANYONE who wants to take the right away from me!
"I will give up my guns when they pry my cold dead hands from around them"
Traps are torturous devices!!!!
There are various types of traps, including snares, underwater traps, and Conibear traps-- the steel-jaw trap is the most widely used. The American Veterinary Medical Association calls these traps inhumane. This barbaric device has been banned by the European Union and in a growing number of states across the United States, including Colorado, California, Florida, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Washington state. Arizona does not allow the use of steel-jaw traps on public lands. I am strongly protesting the use of this trap in CT and won't stop until it's outlawed in our state.
When an animal steps on the spring of a steel-jaw trap, the trapís jaws slam on the animalís limb. The animal frantically struggles in excruciating pain as the trap cuts into his or her flesh, often down to the bone, mutilating the animalís foot or leg. Some animals, especially mothers desperate to get back to their young, fight so vigorously that they attempt to chew or twist off their trapped limbs. This struggle may last for hours. Eventually, the animal succumbs to exhaustion and often exposure, frostbite, shock, and death as well.
You're an evil person Felcie...I feel badly for your son being subjected to this kind of disrepect for aniamls and nature. I really hope he grows up to be a better "man" than you.
If trapped animals do not die from blood loss, infection
Nunya

Dallas, TX

#68 Aug 17, 2007
FELCIE...Enough with your hunting propaganda! I had to laugh when you used raccoons as a danger b/c of rabies and how due to the anti fur movement, humans and pets are now in danger!
Traps are torturous devices!!!!
There are various types of traps, including snares, underwater traps, and Conibear traps-- the steel-jaw trap is the most widely used. The American Veterinary Medical Association calls these traps inhumane. This barbaric device has been banned by the European Union and in a growing number of states across the United States, including Colorado, California, Florida, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Washington state. Arizona does not allow the use of steel-jaw traps on public lands. I am strongly protesting the use of this trap in CT and won't stop until it's outlawed in our state.
When an animal steps on the spring of a steel-jaw trap, the trapís jaws slam on the animalís limb. The animal frantically struggles in excruciating pain as the trap cuts into his or her flesh, often down to the bone, mutilating the animalís foot or leg. Some animals, especially mothers desperate to get back to their young, fight so vigorously that they attempt to chew or twist off their trapped limbs. This struggle may last for hours. Eventually, the animal succumbs to exhaustion and often exposure, frostbite, shock, and death as well.
You're an evil person Felcie...I feel badly for your son being subjected to this kind of disrepect for aniamls and nature. I really hope he grows up to be a better "man" than you.
If trapped animals do not die from blood loss, infection
Nunya

Dallas, TX

#69 Aug 17, 2007
my post above got cut off....

If trapped animals do not die from blood loss, infection, or gangrene, they will probably be killed by predators or hunters. Victims of water-set traps, including beavers and muskrats, can take more than nine agonizing minutes to drown!! This must end...we are in the 21st century people!

Since: Aug 07

Old Lyme, CT

#70 Aug 17, 2007
Wellll Nunya.....
Again you have your head burried in the sand! Do you really believe that rabies isn't a problem? Do you have your pets vaccanated against it?What happens to the little kid whos bitten by an effected animal? Racoon's are very responsible for carrying and transmitting the desiese,Fact!And overpopulaton is a big factor.That doesn't come from me but the DEP. Have you ever seen a coon with rabies?They die a miserable death one far worse and longer than any trap!

In CT there are two primary traps used for catching coons. The live trap or box trap and the pocket trap which is very different than the basic jaw trap. When coons are caught in this pocket trap their front foot is caught causing very little damage.Usually they are found sleeping the next day and athough there was a strugle there is not the carnage and blood loss you speak of.Traps are checked everyday so infection and gangrene are not even an issue.

Don't feel sorry for me or my son we are very happy and proud people,just because we don't believe in the same things as you, you call me evil.I have an opinion of you, but I won't stoop to name calling or personal attacks.You for some reason feel you have the right to tell me how I choose to live and I won't take that.

My son took the trapping coarse put on by the state of Connecticut and passed it with flying colors and trapped for the first time last winter under my supervision and had a very good first season bagging 6 coons and his first fisher cat.You will be happy to know that the fisher will soon be hanging on his wall!
Nunya

Dallas, TX

#71 Aug 17, 2007
Felcie wrote:
Wellll Nunya.....
Again you have your head burried in the sand! Do you really believe that rabies isn't a problem? Do you have your pets vaccanated against it?What happens to the little kid whos bitten by an effected animal? Racoon's are very responsible for carrying and transmitting the desiese,Fact!And overpopulaton is a big factor.That doesn't come from me but the DEP. Have you ever seen a coon with rabies?They die a miserable death one far worse and longer than any trap!
In CT there are two primary traps used for catching coons. The live trap or box trap and the pocket trap which is very different than the basic jaw trap. When coons are caught in this pocket trap their front foot is caught causing very little damage.Usually they are found sleeping the next day and athough there was a strugle there is not the carnage and blood loss you speak of.Traps are checked everyday so infection and gangrene are not even an issue.
Don't feel sorry for me or my son we are very happy and proud people,just because we don't believe in the same things as you, you call me evil.I have an opinion of you, but I won't stoop to name calling or personal attacks.You for some reason feel you have the right to tell me how I choose to live and I won't take that.
My son took the trapping coarse put on by the state of Connecticut and passed it with flying colors and trapped for the first time last winter under my supervision and had a very good first season bagging 6 coons and his first fisher cat.You will be happy to know that the fisher will soon be hanging on his wall!
You can't reason with a fool and you my dear, are a fool. The fact that you hang dead animal heads on your wall really tells me that you're just a waack job. Good riddens...
TRUTH

Auburn Hills, MI

#72 Aug 17, 2007
Felcie wrote:
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I've never claimed I hunt only for wildlife managment so don't put words in my mouth.I did say hunters do a very good job of controlling animal populations and put $$$ into the economy. I do know guys who hunt for the primary purpose of management it's called a "crop damage permit" and farmers recruit hunters to shoot deer on their property during the "off" season. Christmas tree farms as well as vegitable farmers rely on these hunters to keep the deer in check before the deer eat up all their profits.
One thing you need to face is as soon as man started moving out of ther tipee's and clearing the land and building houses, highways and cities the whole "natural" way of the animals changed and unless your willing to give up the planted it will not be the same. We are a preditor at the top of the food chain.Connecticut has a higher deer population now that EVER in history, why you may ask? Before CT was colonized it had huge old growth forests that didn't sustain a fraction of the deer population that we have now. Than by the middle 1880's CT was almost completely deforested and there were almost NO deer remaining in the state,It's only in the last 100 years that CT forests have grown back but their is sooo much young growth that it's able to sustain a large deer population. It's becoming over populated in may areas because of housing developments, areas that were once hunted that are no longer accesable to hunters.
Lets look at what happens without the natural preditors and hunters. Racoons are a great example,trappers once kept their numbers low but with a poor fur market created by the anti's their population was allowed to florish and overpopulate. Rabies spread like wild and became a problem. I'm sure everyone knows someone whos pet was effected by it, I know I do. So should we add them to the list of animals we need to add to the steralization program? Better have another fund raiser!
99% of hunters and trappers I know are very concered about properly managing the wildlife. I want to hunt and trap for years to come and I want my son to have the same opertunity so if I were the trigger happy killer you portray me as I would be out their blasting their heads off daily, but I'm not. I do take great pride in being able to "hunt" for an animal. It's not as easy as you may think it is.It's a skill that takes years to learn. And I resent ANYONE who wants to take the right away from me!
"I will give up my guns when they pry my cold dead hands from around them"
"...hunters do a very good job of controlling animal populations.." Of course you do because you guys are out there killing for fun.

"..and put $$$ into the economy." Everybody does buddy.

So farmers hire hunters to kill deer before they can eat up the profits $$$. That's not "wildlife management" that's just personal. And McMansion owners don't want deer eating their precious ornamentals. And people who fall asleep at the wheel don't want to wake up with antlers coming through the windshield, etc...

Most of us are people not "predators" (this isn't the stone age anymore) and controlling the deer population falls under "protecting profits" and keeping them off of our roadways and keeping them from ruining our landscaping. If deer die off due to starvation because there's not enough food to sustain them, that's natural. If deer die off because this place ain't big enough for the both of us, then that's just more excuses.

Drunken blokes playing shoot 'em up like little boys. Shoot the deer between the eyes, hang the head on the wall, and put the pictures in the scrapbook, and then bust open the thirty packs while you tell yourselves how your saving Connecticut McMansions from those big bad deer!. We real men now! Redneck heaven!!!

Since: Aug 07

Old Lyme, CT

#73 Aug 20, 2007
Nunya wrote:
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You can't reason with a fool and you my dear, are a fool. The fact that you hang dead animal heads on your wall really tells me that you're just a waack job. Good riddens...
Nunya,
I won't tell you how to enjoy your life and you stay away from me and stop trying to control what I do and we will get along just fine. Hunting and trapping has been around since man walked the earth and is here to stay and there is NOTHING you and your friends can do to stop it,nothing.Even the state of Connecticut is behind us.When you start to loose a debate and have NO argument left you go back to the name calling and the good riddens line!?!?

Since: Aug 07

Old Lyme, CT

#74 Aug 20, 2007
TRUTH wrote:
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"...hunters do a very good job of controlling animal populations.." Of course you do because you guys are out there killing for fun.
"..and put $$$ into the economy." Everybody does buddy.
So farmers hire hunters to kill deer before they can eat up the profits $$$. That's not "wildlife management" that's just personal. And McMansion owners don't want deer eating their precious ornamentals. And people who fall asleep at the wheel don't want to wake up with antlers coming through the windshield, etc...
Most of us are people not "predators" (this isn't the stone age anymore) and controlling the deer population falls under "protecting profits" and keeping them off of our roadways and keeping them from ruining our landscaping. If deer die off due to starvation because there's not enough food to sustain them, that's natural. If deer die off because this place ain't big enough for the both of us, then that's just more excuses.
Drunken blokes playing shoot 'em up like little boys. Shoot the deer between the eyes, hang the head on the wall, and put the pictures in the scrapbook, and then bust open the thirty packs while you tell yourselves how your saving Connecticut McMansions from those big bad deer!. We real men now! Redneck heaven!!!
How would your birth control program put money into the economy while controlling population?All I can see is it costing the taxpayers money somehow.Fundraisers? just how many cupcakes will it take to vaccanate one deer? Do you really believe you can run and manage a program like that with bake sales?

Yup,farmers LOVE deer and turkey hunters!Why? because the deer that you are trying to protect are eating up their profits and their way of life.So you would put the life of a deer over the life of a farmer and his family? Who made you God?

Face the facts some parts of the state have an overpopulation of game and it needs to be controlled somehow, so untill you've raised enough funds from these mystery corporations and sold unough brownies to pay for your program,shut up! In the meantime me and my buddies will be out there doing our part.We are not doing it for the sole reason of management but because we enjoy HUNTING.Despite what you think there is alot more to it than just killing.
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Crownsville, MD

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