Working Wonders

Angelo Alderuccio, a 94-year-old retired public works employee from New Britain, might not strike everyone as an American hero. Full Story
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GreekChorus

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#1 Mar 8, 2009
The part of the CCC story that rarely gets told is that union bosses ordered FDR to prohibit CCC men from getting any job training that might allow them to compete with the unions, and FDR dutifully obeyed.

A couple of years ago I saw a volunteer organization that worked on the badly neglected trails in a Connecticut state park disband because the unionized DEP payrollers made their lives miserable. Even though the DEP never did any work on the trails it was union work and the volunteers were giving away for free what the union sells.

It is perhaps naive to expect that the unions won't try to thwart the Governor's plan to put people into the state parks who are willing to work cheaper than the unions.
Go Pro

Three Rivers, MA

#2 Mar 8, 2009
Isn't this really welfare with a working component?

The 'salary' they receive is really our tax dollars; there's no company with a profit base paying them.
willy lump lump

Winsted, CT

#3 Mar 8, 2009
Someday the Courant will get some accuracy in it's reporting. CCC's Camp White was in Barkhamsted.
Linda

Safety Harbor, FL

#4 Mar 8, 2009
Before you people knock this program down, think of what some of those dollars would mean to families who are about to lose everything. Forget the spoiled union members - help the poor guy who's trying so hard but can't quite make it. And remember, you're not giving away money, these people will be working for it. While there are some drawbacks to this idea, there are many positives, some more visible to the eye than others.

And Go Pro, if this is welfare with a working component, at least there will be something to show for the dollars spent. Most people want to work for their money rather than receive hand-outs. AND - while there will be some who hold their hands out hoping for 'something for nothing', the majority will make long-lasting contributions and retain some pride in themselves and their work.
wow

Tiverton, RI

#5 Mar 8, 2009
My father was in the CCC's and he always appreciated the opportunity. He talked about the work with respect and pride and the men he served with were life long friends.
wojar

Southington, CT

#6 Mar 8, 2009
Go Pro wrote:
Isn't this really welfare with a working component?
The 'salary' they receive is really our tax dollars; there's no company with a profit base paying them.
So all government work is welfare because "there's no company with a profit"?

Is Rell on welfare?
Cranky

New Hartford, CT

#7 Mar 8, 2009
No matter what is offered, the cruel naysayers and pack dogs come out of the woodwork to condemn it.

It's only a matter of time before some idiot posts that latest right-wing revisionist historical claim that FDR caused the Great Depression.
wojar

Southington, CT

#8 Mar 8, 2009
Go Pro wrote:
Isn't this really welfare with a working component?
The 'salary' they receive is really our tax dollars; there's no company with a profit base paying them.
CCC also violates the 286th Ferengi Rule of Acquisition.
In the Suburbs

Mansfield Center, CT

#9 Mar 8, 2009
Sounds good to me. Let's take all the welfare recipients and put them to work building roads, trails and fixing up the parks. Think that would fly today?
HC Here

Alexandria, VA

#10 Mar 8, 2009
Cranky wrote:
No matter what is offered, the cruel naysayers and pack dogs come out of the woodwork to condemn it.
It's only a matter of time before some idiot posts that latest right-wing revisionist historical claim that FDR caused the Great Depression.
Since you know so much about the New Deal, please explain in which year of th e1930's life really got better thanks to the New Deal. You left wingnuts forget that all through the 1930's, the economy sagged. Inflation picked up, too. Can you differentiate how the New Deal boosted the economy more than the gearing up of American factories for the production of war armaments. I don't want a war to have to bail out hte economy. but that was the key stimulant - not paying artists to paint murals.
Please help me understand the left position. I have read the New Deal was a flop all through the 30's. Which year of the 30's was actually good.
HC Here

Alexandria, VA

#11 Mar 8, 2009
In the Suburbs wrote:
Sounds good to me. Let's take all the welfare recipients and put them to work building roads, trails and fixing up the parks. Think that would fly today?
Welfare recipients will continue getting money for doing nothing under the Obama plan. Worse, Obama has removed all work requirements from welfare eligibility rules. All the Clinton-era feel good stuff about "welfare to workfare" is now gone. No work necessary to get your check. Also, Obama has removed rules limiting the amount of time people can receive welfare. There were, in some cases, time limits. Now, thanks to the "stimulus" bill, those time limits are removed.

Is an end to work for welfare requirements and time limits on welfare payouts the "change" Democrats wanted? If yes, I hope you are run over in a Hartford street, and the only person who can call a paramedic for you is a welfare recipient.
JAJ

AOL

#12 Mar 8, 2009
wojar wrote:
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So all government work is welfare because "there's no company with a profit"?
Is Rell on welfare?
Not exactly welfare...but governments are huge "non profit" organizations...employees don't make money directly for anyone ...
Cranky

New Hartford, CT

#13 Mar 8, 2009
HC Here wrote:
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Since you know so much about the New Deal, please explain in which year of th e1930's life really got better thanks to the New Deal. You left wingnuts forget that all through the 1930's, the economy sagged. Inflation picked up, too. Can you differentiate how the New Deal boosted the economy more than the gearing up of American factories for the production of war armaments. I don't want a war to have to bail out hte economy. but that was the key stimulant - not paying artists to paint murals.
Please help me understand the left position. I have read the New Deal was a flop all through the 30's. Which year of the 30's was actually good.
OK, sportsfan, by 1932, the GNP has dropped to about $58B and began climbing. By 1937, it was at $100B, which is the pre-Depression / pre-Crash level.

Now STFU and go get your GED. Having Rush Limbaugh as your source of all knowledge has left you mindless.
Cranky

New Hartford, CT

#14 Mar 8, 2009
HC Here wrote:
<quoted text>
Welfare recipients will continue getting money for doing nothing under the Obama plan. Worse, Obama has removed all work requirements from welfare eligibility rules. All the Clinton-era feel good stuff about "welfare to workfare" is now gone. No work necessary to get your check. Also, Obama has removed rules limiting the amount of time people can receive welfare. There were, in some cases, time limits. Now, thanks to the "stimulus" bill, those time limits are removed.
Is an end to work for welfare requirements and time limits on welfare payouts the "change" Democrats wanted? If yes, I hope you are run over in a Hartford street, and the only person who can call a paramedic for you is a welfare recipient.
Damn those welfare recipients, they are ruining the country.

Meanwhile, the richest 0.7%(that's 7/10ths of 1% for the non-high school graduates in the forum) now own over 33% of the world's wealth.

Their share is _increasing_ at 3% to 4% per year while the bottom 50% are losing 2% to 3% per year.

There is only so much money in the system, BTW.

Pop quiz: who is the greater threat to the country: a welfare mom or a corporate predator making $100M per year?

Pop quiz: who are you closer to on the economic scale: the welfare mom or the $10M/year upper level corporate executive?

Now go into the bathroom and hit yourself repeatedly on the head with a tack hammer until you realize that your hatred for the poor is misguided, cruel, and the opposite of what Christ (or insert your favorite deity here) was all about.

Right wing hypocrites ... a gang of self-loathing dolts.
GrayPlayer

Granby, CT

#15 Mar 8, 2009
"Right wing hypocrites ... a gang of self-loathing dolts."

Right on!!!......and release minor offense inmates.

As far as the union's complaint, STUFF IT!!!!
GreekChorus

AOL

#16 Mar 8, 2009
Linda wrote:
Before you people knock this program down, think of what some of those dollars would mean to families who are about to lose everything. Forget the spoiled union members - help the poor guy who's trying so hard but can't quite make it. And remember, you're not giving away money, these people will be working for it. While there are some drawbacks to this idea, there are many positives, some more visible to the eye than others.
And Go Pro, if this is welfare with a working component, at least there will be something to show for the dollars spent. Most people want to work for their money rather than receive hand-outs. AND - while there will be some who hold their hands out hoping for 'something for nothing', the majority will make long-lasting contributions and retain some pride in themselves and their work.
I do not knock the program, and your comments about people working for government benefits are right on the money. My point is that greedy state employee unions are likely to block any such programs. The inherent weakness of unions is that if you and I are members of the same union, and I'm working and you're not working, that is your problem and has nothing to do with me. If unions will not help their own if they're not paying dues to support the fatcat union bosses, they aren't going to do anything to help the poor guy who's trying so hard.

“Hello, I must be going.”

Since: Nov 08

Pomfret

#17 Mar 8, 2009
The caption on the picture on the Courant's front-page said that Anthony Gagliardi worked at Camp White for 18 months in 1939. No wonder they were the "greatest generation." They had 6 extra months every year to accomplish all their tasks.

By the way, when did they downsize the year to 12 months?
BillyTP

Wallingford, CT

#18 Mar 8, 2009
The Great Depression had 25% unemployment. Today that rate is a bit over 8%.

This is a crisis manufactured for political gain and aimed at driving the last stake through the heart of America's taxpaying middle class.

It is being fueled by entitled idiots for the benefit of entitled idiots.

Buyer Beware!
Really

West Hartford, CT

#19 Mar 8, 2009
JAJ wrote:
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Not exactly welfare...but governments are huge "non profit" organizations...employees don't make money directly for anyone ...
Indeed, governments are not-for-profit in that respect. On the other hand, for-profit organizations like AIG, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers are the true generators of economic wealth. Oh, wait a minute.

“Born & raised in Connecticut”

Since: Aug 08

Grand Prairie, TX

#20 Mar 8, 2009
Cranky wrote:
<quoted text>
Damn those welfare recipients, they are ruining the country.
Meanwhile, the richest 0.7%(that's 7/10ths of 1% for the non-high school graduates in the forum) now own over 33% of the world's wealth.
Their share is _increasing_ at 3% to 4% per year while the bottom 50% are losing 2% to 3% per year.
There is only so much money in the system, BTW.
Pop quiz: who is the greater threat to the country: a welfare mom or a corporate predator making $100M per year?
Pop quiz: who are you closer to on the economic scale: the welfare mom or the $10M/year upper level corporate executive?
Now go into the bathroom and hit yourself repeatedly on the head with a tack hammer until you realize that your hatred for the poor is misguided, cruel, and the opposite of what Christ (or insert your favorite deity here) was all about.
Right wing hypocrites ... a gang of self-loathing dolts.
Good luck trying to explain things to HC Here.

He'll make it a race issue if you give him enough time, I've seen him do it before.

He's just another angry right wing bigot and now he's even angrier, since the right wing just jumped en masse into the toilet, the whole bunch clinging desperately to W's leaky water wings.

The neocons have done a far better job of ensuring their defeat than the liberals ever could have.

And now they're pissed and looking for someone, anyone, to blame for their failure.

I do enjoy hearing from folks like HC Here though, it's entertaining to see just how crazy crazy can get.

What can I say, I just love watching them freak out.

But hey, don't worry, I heard Rush Limbaugh's gonna save the Republican Party.

Yeah right.

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