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There are 20 comments on the NewsChannel5.com Nashville story from Apr 9, 2008, titled NewsChannel 5.com - Nashville, Tennessee - Child Found Safe, Gr.... In it, NewsChannel5.com Nashville reports that:

Police found a 5-year-old boy who was reportedly abducted by his grandfather Wednesday.

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Grover Smith

AOL

#1 Apr 10, 2008
I am the unnamed 2nd person who was arrested in thr amber alert for Jeremy Clinard. The whole situation could have been avoided had the Fairview police officer would have given me a couple of minutes to talk to him. I was arrested and charged with a felony because i would not give my street address to him because he had a cocky attitude and threatened me. I am also the one who called the childs mother to let her know where he was and that he was safe. She said it was fine as long as she knew he was safe. I also called back to let her know they had left and told them the route I thought they would take. They came back here so I called again and told them they were here again. She said she would come by herself to pick him up because I did not want Jeremy to see his grandfather arrested.This is not the first time I had helped her get her son back. I thought by getting them to come to my house for the night that it would at least put their mind at ease knowing he was safe. I think this has been a horrible abuse of the amber alert system by a small town policeman trying to be a grown up. I fully intend to see what, if any legal action I can take against them. I would welome the chance to tell the real truth to any and all news agencies who might be interested in knowing the truth about the abuse of the system by someone who is obviously unqualified to determine if the childs welfare is the concern or if maybe a good ole atta boy from his boss and peers for being such a hero by finding the child after 3 phone calls from the 2nd person who was arrested, telling him the location of the boy and and his condition. My only concern was for the welfare of the child. Too bad it wasn't the same for the officer that I talked too. It seems that pretending to be a big shot was more important to him. Thank you for reading this
Grover
Ashley Mangrum

Calhoun, LA

#2 Apr 10, 2008
After knowing all the details of what has happened with this case I fully agree with what Mr. Smith has said. The fact of the matter is that he was arrested and charged with a felony when he did nothing but try and help. What does this say about the Fairview police officer who was so rude and callous about the whole situation? If he had just taken a second to realize what he was being told instead of abusing his authority to try and get information this whole situation could have been solved without so much conflict. By the time the amber alert was even issued Jeremy was safe with a trusted family member who subsequently was arrested. If they believed Jeremy was in danger with Grover, then why would they let them be transported in the same vehicle? And, if they DIDN'T believe he was in danger, then why was Grover arrested? And most of all, why was Grover arrested when he had been in direct contact with Jeremy's mother and was led to believe that she herself was coming to pick him up?
Smithnweston

Ridgewood, NY

#3 Apr 10, 2008
Hire a lawyer, and explain to the judge exactly what you said here. Tell the judge that you was in constant contact with the child mother while he was in his grandfathers hands and that you was wrongfully arrested.
Grover Smith

AOL

#4 Apr 11, 2008
Thank you for your support, I have filed a complaint with the TBI against the Fairview police department and that officer in particular. I fully intend to hire a lawyer and have been in contact with some already. I have also tried to get the Channel5 news to talk to me And report a non biased story on what really happened and the abuse of this system by the Fairview police department. Their last report claims the child was found by the Fairview police department, leading you to believe they may have actually done something. I am sure I can beat the charge of custodial interferance, which is a felony. I have no criminal background record. This is a first for me. My main concern now is the impact this may have on someone else who thinks they may know something about another case. Are they going to be afraid of getting arrested? I truly hope not. I would appreciate any comments you have, good or against my position. and I really would like to be able to tell the media the truth about the misuse of this system. If you would please get everyone you can to read about this and to post their honest comments and ask them to request more information on this matter. If I am able to hire alawyer, I will sign a contract that gives any proceeds that may come from any settlement to whoever is responsible for the amber alert system. The amber alert system is one of the best things ever developed to help lost or kidnapped children. We do not want anyone to be afraid to respond if they think they may have seen one of these children. Thank you once again for your support. I can handle the cost of a lawyer to handle the charges against me, but if anyone knows of someone who can help with any legal action I can take against the Fairview TN. Police department, please let me know. I do not want any cash donations unless they are made directly to whatever legal team that we may be able to assemble. I would prefer a legal team to take this pro bono so that all proceeds could be donated.
G D Howard

Hendersonville, NC

#5 Apr 12, 2008
Mr. Smith, it appears as though not only were your rights violated by this one particular police officer, but also the rights of the mother. This situation bears watching by not only the persons involved but also the commander of the watch, any superior officers as well as the Chief of Police. In no way and NOT EVER would any person, police officer (?) or not detain me from taking physical custody of my child as this officer apparently did. The child's physical and emotional well being should ALWAYS be first and foremost in the minds of involved parties. It sounds as though that was YOUR only concern, however, I personally wonder about the motivation of this "peace officer" involved... Please keep us apprised of the outcome of this situation!
Nora in Columbia

Columbia, TN

#6 Apr 13, 2008
This seems to be a case of an officer of the law not only abusing the Amber Alert system, but the power of the badge. This officer works in one county (Williamsom) and was harrassing Grover in an different county (Maury). The officer was told more than once the child was safe.
I talked with Grace, the child's mother, and she stated the officer WOULD NOT let her go pick up her son. The officer wanted Grover's address and when Grace told him she knew how to get to Grover's house, but didn't know the address, the officer didn't believe her. He said you can go there, but you don't know the address. When Grace answered "yeah", the officer then said, his whole family's crazy, I ought to get them all.
It seems like when Grace didn't know the physical address and Grover wouldn't give it to him, the officer then issued an Amber Alert out of anger and frustration.
If the safety of the child had been an issue with the officer, he would have been communicating with the officers in Maury County instead of trying to MAKE someone give him an address.
tony

Lebanon, TN

#7 Apr 13, 2008
there are always two sides to every story the truth will come out in court if what you say is true then the officer is wrong, but lets wait and hear what he has to say no one can judge just hearing one side, and yes I am a retired police officer with 30 years behide me thats why I say it is to early to say who is right and who is wrong, if this is with TBI the truth will be told we should wait and see what happens
tony

Lebanon, TN

#8 Apr 13, 2008
if what you say happen the officer is wrong, but there are allways two sides to every story we need to hear what the officer has too say and yes I am a retired police officer with 30 years behind me, you say TBI has this then the truth will be told it is to early to say who is right and who is wrong, the officer could have been following policy in a lot of Dept on the officer who issued the amber alert only can call it off no officer can just get a phone call from someone saying there the mother and back off you can say your anyone on the phone lets wait to hear both side from them not second parties all I am glad for the child was found safe the rest will play out in time
Jo Ann

Columbia, TN

#9 Apr 13, 2008
This is a prime example of why people don't want to get involved, when you do YOU wind up being persecuted.Grover's only concern was first,the child's safety and next for Jeremy not to see his Grandfather be taken off by the officer's. He told the Fairview officer to let the mother come get the child and then they could do whatever they felt was necessary.Jeremy is now reliving the incident of his Pawpaw being thrown to the floor and handcuffed and also his pal Grover being arrested,handcuffed and taken to jail(who by the way had never been arrested before and served 20 years in the Air Force Protecting the Fairview officer and his family as well as the rest of us).When anyone needs any thing, there's Grover. He was riding down the street a while back and sitting at the gas pumps of a local station was a car that had been abandoned by 3 teeagers in panic because their car was burning.What does he do? He pulls over,jumps out of his vehicle and jumps into the burning car and drives it away from the gas pumps so it did not blow up the entire block. A vehicle was lost but not one person was injured.
Does this sound like a person who intentions were to defy the law or one who was concerned for a childs well being?
Nora in Columbia

Columbia, TN

#10 Apr 13, 2008
Tony,

You are right....there are two sides to every story, but in this case, if the police officer had not been so arrogant & cocky and if the officer needed to see the child was safe, the mother could have picked up her child and taken him to the Fairview Police Department. But instead, the officer was trying to act like he ruled the world and demand everyone bow down to him because he had on a badge.
Police Wife

Newellton, LA

#11 Apr 13, 2008
I have to disagree with all of you. The mother reported the child "Abducted" by a DRUNK grandfather - did the police officer send the Amber alert out before or after your phone call to the mother? Or do you know? Refusing to give your address is interference with a police investigation, and aiding (in this case) a feloney action of kidnapping. Law is law, big town or little town. If you were concerned about the welfare of the child, why did you let the drunk grandfather leave in a car with the child. You are protecting the grandfather, not the child. Laws are in place for a reason, and good intentions can still lead down the wrong path. The police officer was doing his job in trying to recover the child safely.
Grover Smith

AOL

#12 Apr 13, 2008
Thank you for your comments, Yes I know the truth will come out, at least I am hoping for it to. The reason I welcome any and all comments is because I do want to show interest in this case.I definately want it to be investigated by the TBI. Which is why I made a report to them, and that is also why I want the media involved, so someone can report on both sides of the issue. I just do not want this police force to be able to abuse their authority and give other officers a bad image. I personally have the utmost respect for policemen and other emergency response people. I have a few family members who are in different police departments and wonder why they risk their lives daily for the small amount of pay they recieve, and now I think I know.It is because it is something they believe in. And this is something I believe in, preventing the misuse of power by people we trust with our lifes. I am not at all concerned about the actual charge against me, I know I will be found not guilty in a court of law and I do plan to have a trial and be judged by a jury of my peers and if I am found guilty of what I am charged with, I will accept whatever punishment I recieve without any whining or crying about it not being fair. I will even be willing to shake the hand of the officer who filed the charges and admit I was wrong and apologize for any trouble I may have caused him. But what I will not do is accept a plea bargain for a lesser crime or any type of plea bargain that does not involve a trial by jury.I truly feel that under the circumstances that this happened, that I am right and this was a case of abuse of authority by the Fairview police department.
Someone

Murfreesboro, TN

#13 Apr 17, 2008
Hmmm... Maybe you should have given the address. Why wouldn't you? What were you hiding?
puzzled

Smyrna, TN

#14 Apr 18, 2008
Someone wrote:
Hmmm... Maybe you should have given the address. Why wouldn't you? What were you hiding?
why should he give his address? The caller could have been the mother's boyfriend wanting to play "Billy bad" and bring some of his friends to start trouble. Mr Smith didn't know he really was a police officer. I wouldn't give out my address to anyone on the phone either
Someone

Murfreesboro, TN

#15 Apr 18, 2008
puzzled wrote:
<quoted text>
why should he give his address? The caller could have been the mother's boyfriend wanting to play "Billy bad" and bring some of his friends to start trouble. Mr Smith didn't know he really was a police officer. I wouldn't give out my address to anyone on the phone either
Ok- That makes sense. I was trying to put 2 and 2 together. I agree. The charges should be dropped. It sounds like someone took advantage of the system. Why did the mother not keep up with her own child?
Grover Smith

AOL

#16 Apr 18, 2008
A quick note: My court date is May 2nd and my lawyer has asked me to not reveal our defense here on line. After I return from court on the 2nd, I will give you guys a full report on what happened. I really do expect for the charges to be dropped. thank you for your interest.
Felicia

Sparta, TN

#17 Apr 19, 2008
Grover Smith wrote:
A quick note: My court date is May 2nd and my lawyer has asked me to not reveal our defense here on line. After I return from court on the 2nd, I will give you guys a full report on what happened. I really do expect for the charges to be dropped. thank you for your interest.
Good Luck Mr. Smith, and please don't let one bad experience keep you from doing what you think is right. Thank you for your service to this great country of ours. It's sad but in most cases you give someone a badge and a gun and they think they rule the world when they are supposed to be serving the community in which they live. Also keep in mind that not all officer are arrogant and bad, we do have so that have our best interest at heart.
G D Howard

United States

#18 Apr 23, 2008
Good luck and God speed Grover..........I, like you, think, hope, and pray that the charges will be unfounded. "Felicia" said it so right.......not all officers have an "attitude" and are genuinely concerned for the well being of the public whom they serve so faithfully.
Grover Smith

AOL

#19 May 2, 2008
Great news everyone,
As expected the case was dismissed by the D.A., with no plea bargain, no retirement, no fine, no court cost. As some of you said, not all officers have an attitude. The fact is, most of them do not. This particular officer was very upset about the charges being dismissed and my lawyer said he spent close to an hour trying to figure out a new charge against me while my lawyer explained to them why each and every other charge did not apply. I do not have a problem with most officers, as I said before, I have more than one relative who is a policeman or a retired policeman.However I do have a problem with the ones who give the rest of them a bad name, which is why I refused any type of plea bargain or anything that was less than a complete dismissal with no strings attached. In case you have forgotten, I am a retired military man with no previous arrests or any other type of conflict with law enforcement. I haven't even had a moving violation in over 15 years. If there are any unanswered questions that you may have, I would be glad to answer them. I will be checking back in for a few days.One other thing I would like to let everyone know is that by not accepting any type of plea bargain, it gives them a chance to file some type of new charges against me in a higher court. Which would mean new felony charges, being arrested again, and going to court again. To date this has cost me a chunk of money and will cost more if there are more charges.I am a disabled veteran and would qualify for a public defender, but I chose to hire a lawyer on my own, and will do so again if need be. I do not regret one minute of what has happened and am willing to do so again if it comes to that. I just hope it does some good and maybe prevent someone else from being treated like this. And yes, I do plan to pursue any and all legal action I can take against the appropiate people, and when I do that it will also be at my own cost.If I happen to get a monetary award, after my expenses I will make a decent contribution to St.Judes or Vanderbuilt for children. Thank you for your support.

Grover
G D Howard

United States

#20 May 6, 2008
Grover, if you're still checking this for posts, LOL, thank God that your lawyer worked so well with you! Prayers ARE answered and I'm very proud that you prevailed! God Bless You! For all the problems this officer tried to create for you, I guess he encountered a strength that ALWAYS prevails!!! D. Howard

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