Train strikes, kills man (VIDEO)

Train strikes, kills man (VIDEO)

There are 37 comments on the GoErie.com story from Aug 16, 2008, titled Train strikes, kills man (VIDEO). In it, GoErie.com reports that:

The engineer of a Norfolk Southern train walks back to the train after talking with Erie County Coroner Lyell Cook and Pennsylvania State Trooper Tracy Dinger where the tracks cross Dutch Road in Fairview ...

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Becky

Warren, OH

#23 Aug 18, 2008
Nancy wrote:
TMI is TMI!!!! The ETN has crossed the line once again. Haven't bought one since 1990 when a close friend of the family was murdered by her former boyfriend and for weeks they published horrific details of her death on the front page for the family to re-live.
Nancy ... this just in from the ETN:

A boy believed to be 9 years old was pulled from Cascade Creek in Frontier Park at about 2:30 p.m.

His condition is unknown at this moment.

Do you want to know if he's dead or alive ... or do you think that's Too Much Information?
jon

Lorain, OH

#24 Aug 18, 2008
you need to calm down WOW
Becky wrote:
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Where is the TMI that is TMI??????
Would you have felt the newpaper was doing its job if it said, "There was a train accident" and left it at that? No mention of WHAT the accident was ... no mention that there was a PERSON involved ... no mention of HOW the accident might have occurred ... and no mention as to the CONDITION of the PERSON involved in the ACCIDENT?
You would be asking yourself, "THIS is how they report THE NEWS????"
And regarding your friend who was murdered ... the key phrase in your sentence is "they published the horrific details of her death on the front page ....FOR THE FAMILY TO RE-LIVE."
INCORRECT!!!!!!!!
"They published the horrific details of her death on the front page" ... FOR PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THEIR READERS, TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT HAD OCCURRED AND WHO,WHAT,WHEN.WHERE, WHY ... AND TO DO THEIR DUTY, AS A NEWSPAPER, TO PRESENT T-H-E N-E-W-S.
Do you think ANYBODY in such a situation LIKES to read it in the newspaper?(That's why many of them DON'T read the coverage.) Do you think, for example, that the parents of the students at Virginia Tech LIKED the coverage of their children's deaths in the newspapers? Do you think that Elizabeth Edwards is ENJOYING the sordid details of her marriage and her cheating husband plastered all over the news? Do you think that Mark Lunsford LIKED having the "horrific details" of his 9-year-old daughter, Jessica, being kidnapped out of her bedroom in the middle of the night, raped and BURIED ALIVE?
I doubt that ANY of the above-mentioned LIKED being "news" -- but unfortunately, circumstances made them such and it is the OBLIGATION of a newspaper to present the news, present the facts, present the story -- whether you or anybody else likes it or not. That is what they are CALLED to do.
So ... if you don't like NEWS, don't read the NEWSPAPER.
(And by the way ... this thread IS the "talk" section of the newspaper ... so what are you doing here? GETTING THE NEWS, and to see what's being reported and discussed.)
Valid.
That's why people turn to a newspaper.

Since: Feb 08

erie

#25 Aug 18, 2008
Wasnt there an accident a few years back about 2 young girls who died on the tracks in harborcreek,and they said they were wearing headphones?well i guess that isnt the place to wear headphones now is it,im sorry for the horrific accident but it is commonsense not to do that especially on multiple tracks,thats why even in a car you should STOP,LOOK,AND LISTEN.AGAIN IM SORRY FOR THE LOSS!I hope people will learn from this.
fayetteville pa

Gettysburg, PA

#26 Aug 19, 2008
Lisa W wrote:
This was my brother and i think that is ignorant of the person who wrote this to write that The crash was so violent that police and firefighters needed time to collect Welkner's fragmented remains. I think that we all agree that the Welkner family could of went without knowing that.
I was blown away when I read that, they could have just said that investigators were on the scene for hours.Lisa I am sorry for you and your families loss!Stay strong!
anonymous

Cleveland, OH

#27 Aug 19, 2008
i knew billy and he was a REALLY cool and funny guy.also becky chill out about something and someone u dont no about. it really doesnt concern u unless u hvae something good to say. also for the fellow millcreekers does anyone know which one of his friends commited suicide through train this morning
stuck here

United States

#28 Aug 19, 2008
anonymous wrote:
i knew billy and he was a REALLY cool and funny guy.also becky chill out about something and someone u dont no about. it really doesnt concern u unless u hvae something good to say. also for the fellow millcreekers does anyone know which one of his friends commited suicide through train this morning
the name that im getting from friends and family is Louie Jordano. Im not completely positive tho.
oh my

Gettysburg, PA

#29 Aug 19, 2008
stuck here wrote:
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the name that im getting from friends and family is Louie Jordano. Im not completely positive tho.
I hope that this is a rumor! I am praying for both of these families.
Andrea J Forester

Cleveland, OH

#30 Aug 19, 2008
Becky i have 3 words for you GET A LIFE!!!! What a shame you just keep on going we got what you said the first time!!! Let it go my daughter knew of him this summer when she was up here visiting me and he was an all around good kid who kept the neighborhood kids in line! May your soul rest in peace! And Lisa you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers!!!
Lisa W

Cleveland, OH

#31 Aug 19, 2008
becky why dont you get a life you stupid F*ck
megan

Cleveland, OH

#32 Aug 19, 2008
billy was an amazing person. a loyal friend. the most careing selfless guy you could ever meet and i just want to say that after reading all of these responses(with the exception of a few)i was absolutely disgusted by the heartlessness, ignorance, and absolute disrespect shown by all of you. not only to billy but to his morning family and devstated friends. stop, for just a second and think if that would have been your brother or boyfriend or son. think of how it must feel to open the paper and have to relive thouse most trajic of moments over and over and over again. when it comes down to it the nausiating gut wrenching details that the newspaper and news stations alike felt the need to put out are absolutely unnessesary and none off anyones bussiness other then his close family and friends.
i was one of though friends. falling to my knees when the horific news was broken to me. and as appauled as i am at the disrespect that was been shown by all of you i would never wish that pain on any of you and i pray that nothing like this ever happens again.
there are many things that could have been done differently, not waering his head phones, reacting to killer(his dog), or simpley being more aware of his surroundings at the time. but the bottom line is that he is dead. he was takeing from us way befor his time. he was loved more then he will ever knoe and will be greatly missed.
R.I.P. Billy
carole

Ashtabula, OH

#33 Aug 19, 2008
It was VERY unnecessary for the graphic remark about the victims' body. We all know the devastation of being hit by a train, and the family and friends didn't need to read that. Where is the sensitivity of this newspaper lately ???
Certainly, the comments that were published after the dog attack last month should have showed the erie times news that people don't want to see or hear such graphic, and uncecessary things.
Becky

Warren, OH

#34 Aug 20, 2008
carole wrote:
It was VERY unnecessary for the graphic remark about the victims' body. We all know the devastation of being hit by a train, and the family and friends didn't need to read that. Where is the sensitivity of this newspaper lately ???
Certainly, the comments that were published after the dog attack last month should have showed the erie times news that people don't want to see or hear such graphic, and uncecessary things.
Again -- newspapers (and news gatherers in general) are NOT there to be "sensitive." Their only job is to report the news. They aren't meant to be a book of condolences; their mission is ONLY to provide details on who, what, when, where, and why. Think "robot." A newspaper is NOT a person, but a machine -- grinding out the news.
I, too, am a mother -- and if this was my son who was involved in this horrific accident, I would NEVER recover. So please don't think that I am not sympathetic to the families of BOTH boys involved in these train tragedies. I feel very, very bad for them -- because I know how devastated I would be if it was my son.
I do NOT discount the families' feelings -- it a sad week for both of them.
But I can't fathom why people think the newspaper is supposed to tone down its reporting because the news involved a tragedy. That's not its role.
Most people who are in a situation like this simply don't READ the newspaper or watch broadcast reports on the incident, so as not to have to re-live it.
The machine that is the news industry is NOT going to become touchy-feely because people don't like the news. It IS a MACHINE. And sad as it is for the families of these victims, it's the nature of the beast.
I'm not dismissing the agony of the families -- I'm simply explaining how the news industry works ... like machinery. So don't hold it against the paper for doing what it is designed to do.
Michelle

Erie, PA

#35 Aug 20, 2008
Becky, get real. Now you are just being rude and immature. Informing the public that someone has died is no comparison to a detailed description of what happened to a person's body. Keep your comments to yourself and have a little respect for the family. If it were your son, brother and/or father would you want to read that information in the paper?
Becky wrote:
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Nancy ... this just in from the ETN:
A boy believed to be 9 years old was pulled from Cascade Creek in Frontier Park at about 2:30 p.m.
His condition is unknown at this moment.
Do you want to know if he's dead or alive ... or do you think that's Too Much Information?
anonymous

Erie, PA

#36 Aug 20, 2008
The two incidents on the tracks have nothing to do with eachother. My heart goes out to both families
anonymous wrote:
i knew billy and he was a REALLY cool and funny guy.also becky chill out about something and someone u dont no about. it really doesnt concern u unless u hvae something good to say. also for the fellow millcreekers does anyone know which one of his friends commited suicide through train this morning
anonymous

Erie, PA

#37 Aug 20, 2008
Becky you must be a reporter
Becky wrote:
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Again -- newspapers (and news gatherers in general) are NOT there to be "sensitive." Their only job is to report the news. They aren't meant to be a book of condolences; their mission is ONLY to provide details on who, what, when, where, and why. Think "robot." A newspaper is NOT a person, but a machine -- grinding out the news.
I, too, am a mother -- and if this was my son who was involved in this horrific accident, I would NEVER recover. So please don't think that I am not sympathetic to the families of BOTH boys involved in these train tragedies. I feel very, very bad for them -- because I know how devastated I would be if it was my son.
I do NOT discount the families' feelings -- it a sad week for both of them.
But I can't fathom why people think the newspaper is supposed to tone down its reporting because the news involved a tragedy. That's not its role.
Most people who are in a situation like this simply don't READ the newspaper or watch broadcast reports on the incident, so as not to have to re-live it.
The machine that is the news industry is NOT going to become touchy-feely because people don't like the news. It IS a MACHINE. And sad as it is for the families of these victims, it's the nature of the beast.
I'm not dismissing the agony of the families -- I'm simply explaining how the news industry works ... like machinery. So don't hold it against the paper for doing what it is designed to do.
Sylvia

United States

#38 Aug 20, 2008
Ok, I see there is alot of editing going on on this website. Please people... stop presuming and assuming and speculating about the 2 recent train related deaths. Both of those people were friends of mine and many others from the neighborhood. These forums should be about support and connection, not arguements and mean, thoughtless comments. I for one, will not be participating in these forums again it only served to upset me even more than I already am. ( Lisa, stop reading this garbage )
Ashley

Erie, PA

#39 Nov 28, 2010
i am sorry to hear about billy and i just heard so lisa i am sorry that you lost your brother. sorry for your loss.

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