Train strikes, kills man (VIDEO)

Train strikes, kills man (VIDEO)

There are 37 comments on the GoErie.com story from Aug 16, 2008, titled Train strikes, kills man (VIDEO). In it, GoErie.com reports that:

The engineer of a Norfolk Southern train walks back to the train after talking with Erie County Coroner Lyell Cook and Pennsylvania State Trooper Tracy Dinger where the tracks cross Dutch Road in Fairview ...

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Since: Feb 08

erie

#2 Aug 17, 2008
I could never understand how this happens? ive walked on plenty of tracks and always seemed to know when a huge loud train is aproaching.
Lisa W

Cleveland, OH

#3 Aug 17, 2008
This was my brother and i think that is ignorant of the person who wrote this to write that The crash was so violent that police and firefighters needed time to collect Welkner's fragmented remains. I think that we all agree that the Welkner family could of went without knowing that.
Omniscient1

Akron, OH

#4 Aug 17, 2008
Well, it didn't "bump him" apparently. The newspaper likes to make it sensational. However, they would never write sensational articles about one of their own. That's ETN for you.
Betsy

AOL

#5 Aug 17, 2008
Lisa W. So sorry for your loss
Sarah

AOL

#6 Aug 17, 2008
Lisa W wrote:
This was my brother and i think that is ignorant of the person who wrote this to write that The crash was so violent that police and firefighters needed time to collect Welkner's fragmented remains. I think that we all agree that the Welkner family could of went without knowing that.
I feel the same way...just like when that poor baby girl was killed by their family dog & they posted the pics of said dog with her blood on his mouth...I wonder who proofreads these stories before they are posted? Maybe because this is Erie's only newspaper they feel they can print & do whatever they want. Regardless, my condolences to your family.
confused

Edinboro, PA

#7 Aug 17, 2008
i know the areas railroads tracks...the paper said he was paying attention to the train coming towards him, why didnt he get off the tracks then? and not the train behind him..can you tell me what set of tracks has 2 trains running oppisite of themselves? i am sorry for the familys loss, i know of the family as his older brother was a bad bully years ago in school. so we didnt want anything to do with that family. still sorry for their loss.
SusieV

Buffalo, NY

#8 Aug 17, 2008
I had heard that he had headphones in and that is why he didn't move. Still though, that music had to be pretty loud for him to not to hear the train coming. I'm also surprised that the dog didn't alert him to the danger. Rotweiler or not, a train is going to cause some reaction you would think. Such a sad story. My heart goes out to the family.
Michelle Robarts

Erie, PA

#9 Aug 18, 2008
I think it is horrible what this person had to say along with others that questioned the tragedy. If you do not have anything nice to say then keep your opinions to yourself. My heart goes out to the family. I had the opportunity to know Billy and he was such a great kid. He will be missed.
confused wrote:
i know the areas railroads tracks...the paper said he was paying attention to the train coming towards him, why didnt he get off the tracks then? and not the train behind him..can you tell me what set of tracks has 2 trains running oppisite of themselves? i am sorry for the familys loss, i know of the family as his older brother was a bad bully years ago in school. so we didnt want anything to do with that family. still sorry for their loss.
K Mac

United States

#10 Aug 18, 2008
Think of how the guy driving the train must feel. That's traumatic for him as well...
Becky

Warren, OH

#11 Aug 18, 2008
confused wrote:
i know the areas railroads tracks...the paper said he was paying attention to the train coming towards him, why didnt he get off the tracks then? and not the train behind him..can you tell me what set of tracks has 2 trains running oppisite of themselves? i am sorry for the familys loss, i know of the family as his older brother was a bad bully years ago in school. so we didnt want anything to do with that family. still sorry for their loss.
To those who think the ETN "sensationalized" this story -- you don't, apparently, have any idea what "sensationalism" means. The Times did NOT do anything "sensational" with this story -- it reported, as fact, what happened there. If this boy had been hit by a train and the Times did not cover it, people would be standing on their chairs screaming, "Why didn't you even report this???" The fact that the paper stated that the area was closed down for a considerable time -- and WHY -- was NOT in bad taste. The paper did its job here, with complete coverage.
And where do tracks have two trains running opposite themselves? MANY places! There are two sets of tracks in eastside Erie. There are THREE sets of tracks at Walbridge Road in Harborcreek (two sets of tracks, running facing each other, and the third set of tracks a test site for GE locomotive).
I know there are other locations, but can't think of them off the top of my head.
Too True

Erie, PA

#12 Aug 18, 2008
The trains do run in opposing directions, side by side, many times a day at that point of the tracks in Fairview. Certainly, THAT piece of information provided a clue to the cause of this tragedy. Unfortunately, the sole piece of informative news was lost in the sensational reporting of the aftermath of youngster who died.
SORRY

United States

#13 Aug 18, 2008
I am sorry for the family's loss..Was it an ACCIDENT?
Becky

Warren, OH

#14 Aug 18, 2008
Too True wrote:
The trains do run in opposing directions, side by side, many times a day at that point of the tracks in Fairview. Certainly, THAT piece of information provided a clue to the cause of this tragedy. Unfortunately, the sole piece of informative news was lost in the sensational reporting of the aftermath of youngster who died.
I don't understand this. WHAT did the Times say that was so sensational???? It said the area was closed for a considerable amount of time due to fact that the boy's body was fragmented.
Period.
End of story.
Finis.
THAT is NOT "sensationalism." Sensationalism would be graphic, gruesome, vivid descriptions of "the aftermath." The Times did not do that.
It stated -- and rightfully so, because it is a NEWSPAPER, whose job is to inform the public -- WHY the area was closed for so long.
I do not know what you WANT from your newspaper. Partial coverage? A nugget of the news, with half the detail left out? UNbalanced reporting, because some part of the story might "offend" somebody?
That is NOT the responsibility of a newspaper.
A newspaper's mission is to report the NEWS, whether you like that news or not.
I can't believe I'm standing up for the Times, but in this case, they did an excellent job of presenting FACTS, and those who feel the FACTS were "sensational" don't understand the role of a newspaper in the public forum.
Omniscient1

Akron, OH

#15 Aug 18, 2008
Becky wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't understand this. WHAT did the Times say that was so sensational???? It said the area was closed for a considerable amount of time due to fact that the boy's body was fragmented.
Period.
End of story.
Finis.
THAT is NOT "sensationalism." Sensationalism would be graphic, gruesome, vivid descriptions of "the aftermath." The Times did not do that.
It stated -- and rightfully so, because it is a NEWSPAPER, whose job is to inform the public -- WHY the area was closed for so long.
I do not know what you WANT from your newspaper. Partial coverage? A nugget of the news, with half the detail left out? UNbalanced reporting, because some part of the story might "offend" somebody?
That is NOT the responsibility of a newspaper.
A newspaper's mission is to report the NEWS, whether you like that news or not.
I can't believe I'm standing up for the Times, but in this case, they did an excellent job of presenting FACTS, and those who feel the FACTS were "sensational" don't understand the role of a newspaper in the public forum.
I agree. Good points, Becky.
Nancy

Erie, PA

#16 Aug 18, 2008
TMI is TMI!!!! The ETN has crossed the line once again. Haven't bought one since 1990 when a close friend of the family was murdered by her former boyfriend and for weeks they published horrific details of her death on the front page for the family to re-live.
Ginean

Cincinnati, OH

#17 Aug 18, 2008
First of all.. whoever wrote was this an accident, of course it was.

Second of all, whoever said that they don't know where there's two tracks running in oppisite directions, well this was it.
Third of all, I am sorry lisa, we're all here for you, i know you looked up to him, and it breaks my heart just as much as yours.
But we will stay strong through this.

Fourth of all, I completely agree with Lisa about how brutal the fragmented remains comment was. We are aware that if a train hits someone it is unlikely that they'll be in one piece.
<33
Reality Check Here

United States

#18 Aug 18, 2008
Ginean wrote:
Fourth of all, I completely agree with Lisa about how brutal the fragmented remains comment was. We are aware that if a train hits someone it is unlikely that they'll be in one piece.
<33
Lisa, I'm sorry for your loss. It's always tough to lose someone, especially in an accident.

Firstly, I seriously don't think the newspaper was sensationalizing the story. Just reporting the facts as to why they haven't identified the person yet.

Secondly, being a funeral director and embalmer myself, I must make a comment about whether or not a body would be in one piece or not. I've taken care of several families in my tenure where their loved one has been killed in a train. I've seen their loved ones in the condition as described in the article, but I've also seen them where they may have had a single limb severed, or maybe all that you can see are some cuts and scratches and places where maybe some bones are broken. A train can do a lot of damage, which is why we all need to be careful.

My condolences to the family.

Since: Jun 08

Youngstown, OH

#19 Aug 18, 2008
Are you confused or just not thinking. He was walking along the tracks with his dog, like he does. He got a new set of head phones that were good at drowning out outside noise, either way he saw the one train and moved to the other side. He didn't see the train behind him. Really just say sorry for your loss. The neighborhood kids saw most of the aftermath, it was an all around bad freaken day. Lets hope your confusion is gone.
confused wrote:
i know the areas railroads tracks...the paper said he was paying attention to the train coming towards him, why didnt he get off the tracks then? and not the train behind him..can you tell me what set of tracks has 2 trains running oppisite of themselves? i am sorry for the familys loss, i know of the family as his older brother was a bad bully years ago in school. so we didnt want anything to do with that family. still sorry for their loss.
Becky

Warren, OH

#20 Aug 18, 2008
Nancy wrote:
TMI is TMI!!!! The ETN has crossed the line once again. Haven't bought one since 1990 when a close friend of the family was murdered by her former boyfriend and for weeks they published horrific details of her death on the front page for the family to re-live.
Where is the TMI that is TMI??????
Would you have felt the newpaper was doing its job if it said, "There was a train accident" and left it at that? No mention of WHAT the accident was ... no mention that there was a PERSON involved ... no mention of HOW the accident might have occurred ... and no mention as to the CONDITION of the PERSON involved in the ACCIDENT?
You would be asking yourself, "THIS is how they report THE NEWS????"
And regarding your friend who was murdered ... the key phrase in your sentence is "they published the horrific details of her death on the front page ....FOR THE FAMILY TO RE-LIVE."
INCORRECT!!!!!!!!
"They published the horrific details of her death on the front page" ... FOR PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THEIR READERS, TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT HAD OCCURRED AND WHO,WHAT,WHEN.WHERE, WHY ... AND TO DO THEIR DUTY, AS A NEWSPAPER, TO PRESENT T-H-E N-E-W-S.
Do you think ANYBODY in such a situation LIKES to read it in the newspaper?(That's why many of them DON'T read the coverage.) Do you think, for example, that the parents of the students at Virginia Tech LIKED the coverage of their children's deaths in the newspapers? Do you think that Elizabeth Edwards is ENJOYING the sordid details of her marriage and her cheating husband plastered all over the news? Do you think that Mark Lunsford LIKED having the "horrific details" of his 9-year-old daughter, Jessica, being kidnapped out of her bedroom in the middle of the night, raped and BURIED ALIVE?
I doubt that ANY of the above-mentioned LIKED being "news" -- but unfortunately, circumstances made them such and it is the OBLIGATION of a newspaper to present the news, present the facts, present the story -- whether you or anybody else likes it or not. That is what they are CALLED to do.
So ... if you don't like NEWS, don't read the NEWSPAPER.
(And by the way ... this thread IS the "talk" section of the newspaper ... so what are you doing here? GETTING THE NEWS, and to see what's being reported and discussed.)
Valid.
That's why people turn to a newspaper.
Becky

Warren, OH

#21 Aug 18, 2008
THE FOURTH ESTATE
(From "The Fourth Estate" by Donna Quesinberry)

The phrase "The Fourth Estate" was originally a synonym for newspapers. With the dawn of radio, television, and news magazines the meaning broadened to ‘all of mass media.’

Edmund Burke (1729-97), son of a Dublin attorney and statesman, said “there were three Estates in Parliament -- but in the Reporters Gallery yonder, there sat A FOURTH ESTATE, more important by far than they all.”

The phrase "The Fourth Estate" is a spin-off of the old English Feudal ideology of three estates.

The First Estate was called the Lords Spiritual or members of the House of Lords.
The Second Estate was called the Lords Temporal or members who were hereditary peers, Law Lords, or Lords appointed for life.
The Third Estate was called the House of Commons or the lower house, meaning the people’s house.
The Fourth Estate, as a respondent to the first three estates, rests on the idea THAT THE MEDIA'S FUNCTION IS TO ACT AS A GUARDIAN OF THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND AS A WATCHDOG OF THE ACTIVITIES OF GOVERNMENT.

Burke believed that journalists had a power all their own in government. This was the power to speak and the power to make others listen through the printed word. He believed these powers acted as check and balance to the other estates BY UPHOLDING DEMOCRACY AND DEFENDING PUBLIC INTERESTS.

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