Erie school district to use enrollmen...

Erie school district to use enrollment to justify job losses

There are 18 comments on the Erie Times News story from Mar 3, 2011, titled Erie school district to use enrollment to justify job losses. In it, Erie Times News reports that:

State law designed to protect teachers' jobs won't stop the Erie School District from making hundreds of staff cuts, schools Superintendent Jay Badams said.

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TaxNoMore

United States

#1 Mar 4, 2011
The number of cuts will also be reduced by how many employees accept an early retirement incentive that gives them $5,000 a year for five years.

So far, 46 have taken the incentive.

$1,150,000.00 to dump 46 people!!

That can't be right.....let's see here.

46 X $25,000 =$1,150,000.00..

What the hell is wrong with this calculator

46 X $25,000 =$1,150,000.00

What!

What the hell is wrong with this calculator
Ron

Erie, PA

#2 Mar 4, 2011
Are you seriously that stupid? They're accepting an early retirement, which means they'll collect their pension (which will be lower than their salary as most pensions are) along with a bonus of $5,000 per year for 5 years on top of the pension.

You're a realtor and you can't figure out this basic math? Thank god I never bought a house from you - you'd be screaming and whining about why your comission wasn't in the tens of thousands of dollars on a $60,000 home.
TaxNoMore

United States

#3 Mar 4, 2011
12,473 students for the current school year

in a district that employs more than 1,000 teachers

Let's see here...12,473 divided by 1000 = 12.473

This freaking calculator ...damn it!!

One teacher per 12.473 students?

Can't be right

How can I get this freaking calculator to work with eerie budget math.
TaxNoMore

United States

#4 Mar 4, 2011
Ron wrote:
Are you seriously that stupid? They're accepting an early retirement, which means they'll collect their pension (which will be lower than their salary as most pensions are) along with a bonus of $5,000 per year for 5 years on top of the pension.
You're a realtor and you can't figure out this basic math? Thank god I never bought a house from you - you'd be screaming and whining about why your comission wasn't in the tens of thousands of dollars on a $60,000 home.
Are you seriously that stupid?

*Why early retirement?

*Those 46 leaches will suck $230,000 out of the budget the first year

They're accepting an early retirement,

*They could not accept it if it was not offered

which means they'll collect their pension (which will be lower than their salary as most pensions are)

*Join the real world SS is lower than their salary

along with a bonus of $5,000 per year for 5 years on top of the pension.

Thatís $416.66 a month

You're a realtor and you can't figure out this basic math?

*Are you seriously that stupid?

*NEVER SOLD A HOUSE ON COMMISSION IN MY LIFE!!!

Thank god I never bought a house from you - you'd be screaming and whining about why your comission wasn't in the tens of thousands of dollars on a $60,000 home.

*Are you seriously that stupid?

*NEVER SOLD A HOUSE ON COMMISSION IN MY LIFE!!!

***You spelled COMMISSION WRONG

Are you seriously that stupid?
Joe B

Wadsworth, OH

#5 Mar 4, 2011
Ron wrote:
Are you seriously that stupid? They're accepting an early retirement, which means they'll collect their pension (which will be lower than their salary as most pensions are) along with a bonus of $5,000 per year for 5 years on top of the pension.
You're a realtor and you can't figure out this basic math? Thank god I never bought a house from you - you'd be screaming and whining about why your comission wasn't in the tens of thousands of dollars on a $60,000 home.
Do you know what their pensions will be? I would like to know if anyone has that info. I've heard numbers up to 90% of their actual working pay. Please post info if you know.
youheardithere

Kent, OH

#6 Mar 4, 2011
Ron, if what we were told when those teachers were getting their longevity and educational attainment raises was true we are now trying to get rid of our best and most experienced teachers to save the jobs of the worst and least experienced.

Does that make sense or was it all BS designed to put our money in teachers pockets every way imaginable?

Why wouldn't it make more sense to offer $25K for resignations starting at the bottom of the seniority list to the least experienced, least degreed?
Ron wrote:
Are you seriously that stupid? They're accepting an early retirement, which means they'll collect their pension (which will be lower than their salary as most pensions are) along with a bonus of $5,000 per year for 5 years on top of the pension.
You're a realtor and you can't figure out this basic math? Thank god I never bought a house from you - you'd be screaming and whining about why your comission wasn't in the tens of thousands of dollars on a $60,000 home.
What

Erie, PA

#7 Mar 4, 2011
Use your calculator and compute what the cost would be if those 46 employees did not take the offer.

If there's no incentive to retire, employees would still work and get paid ~$60K or more a year + more pension contributions and other benefits.
TaxNoMore

United States

#8 Mar 4, 2011
What wrote:
Use your calculator and compute what the cost would be if those 46 employees did not take the offer.
If there's no incentive to retire, employees would still work and get paid ~$60K or more a year + more pension contributions and other benefits.
Hey,

I know where you're coming from on that.

46 X annual salary

But one teacher per 12.473 students?

Can that be true??

Move that teacher-student ratio to 20-24...

dump the bloat..........no guts
soasoas111

South Dayton, NY

#9 Mar 4, 2011
I just think its funny how you have to go through hoops to fire someone who works for you...unreal.
JMT

Wadsworth, OH

#10 Mar 4, 2011
TaxNoMore wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey,
I know where you're coming from on that.
46 X annual salary
But one teacher per 12.473 students?
Can that be true??
Move that teacher-student ratio to 20-24...
dump the bloat..........no guts
And "dump the bloat" in Administration.

Why does a relatively small school district of less tha 13,000 students need a superintendant who's own budget proposal pushes his salary to $174,585 and needs not 1 but 2 assistant superintendants budgeted to make $257,800 total?
Teacher

Erie, PA

#11 Mar 5, 2011
youheardithere wrote:
Ron, if what we were told when those teachers were getting their longevity and educational attainment raises was true we are now trying to get rid of our best and most experienced teachers to save the jobs of the worst and least experienced.
Does that make sense or was it all BS designed to put our money in teachers pockets every way imaginable?
Why wouldn't it make more sense to offer $25K for resignations starting at the bottom of the seniority list to the least experienced, least degreed?
<quoted text>
Total union BS! Longevity and educational attainment mean nothing when it comes to whose the best teacher. Longevity because you can't get rid of a long time bad teacher because of seniority hiring and layoffs. Educational attainment is only a way to boost your pay and pension. Every teacher starts with the same degree. Either you're an effective teacher or you're not. Longevity and educational attainment have absolutely nothing to do with teaching, only increasing your pay.
youheardithere

Kent, OH

#12 Mar 5, 2011
That was my point, teacher. We need to get rid of these money grabs. The best teachers should get more money and never be offered buyouts. The worst s/b 'encouraged' to take another career.

That our local newspaper sits silently by while the School Districts throw our money down the drain with such transparently lame reasoning should be a matter of shame on them and us.
Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
Total union BS! Longevity and educational attainment mean nothing when it comes to whose the best teacher. Longevity because you can't get rid of a long time bad teacher because of seniority hiring and layoffs. Educational attainment is only a way to boost your pay and pension. Every teacher starts with the same degree. Either you're an effective teacher or you're not. Longevity and educational attainment have absolutely nothing to do with teaching, only increasing your pay.
Teacher

Erie, PA

#13 Mar 5, 2011
youheardithere wrote:
That was my point, teacher. We need to get rid of these money grabs. The best teachers should get more money and never be offered buyouts. The worst s/b 'encouraged' to take another career.
That our local newspaper sits silently by while the School Districts throw our money down the drain with such transparently lame reasoning should be a matter of shame on them and us.
<quoted text>
I can't believe it but I stand corrected! How humiliating!I now agree with you 100%. Dang it!

Since: Nov 07

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#14 Mar 5, 2011
youheardithere wrote:
That our local newspaper sits silently by while the School Districts throw our money down the drain with such transparently lame reasoning should be a matter of shame on them and us.
<quoted text>
That crack Times News, just another Liberal Rag.

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#15 Mar 5, 2011
In the 2011 budget is say the teachers salaries are 71 million and the benifits are 30 million!
TaxNoMore

United States

#16 Mar 6, 2011
Rollout wrote:
In the 2011 budget is say the teachers salaries are 71 million and the benifits are 30 million!
check this out

http://www.salary-money.com/Pennsylvania-k12-...
JMT

Wadsworth, OH

#17 Mar 6, 2011
Rollout wrote:
In the 2011 budget is say the teachers salaries are 71 million and the benifits are 30 million!
And "Principals Salaries" are $4.5 million. An average of $200,000 per school? Half of that is still too much.
youheardithere

Kent, OH

#18 Mar 6, 2011
Wise up; this is Erie, PA. The cops find you at sneaky pete's with some gal not your wife they own you. Especially if you're a Dr, Lawyer, Indian Chief, or newspaper publisher.
Rollout wrote:
<quoted text>
That crack Times News, just another Liberal Rag.

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