Members of Erie's faith community talk gun control

Jan 30, 2013 Full story: Erie Times News 147

About 20 people attended a forum at the Booker T. Washington Center in Erie on Jan.

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mind your own

Erie, PA

#108 Feb 4, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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The founding fathers explained about Jesus as well but that's not in the constitution. There is NO mention of guns in the constitution, only armaments (arms).
Either prove that the founders never entertained the idea of Jesus or prove it's in the constitution. If Jesus was "entertained" but not in the constitution, so was "guns", but instead armaments, like the word creator was chosen instead.
Honestly I dont have to prove it, the courts understand it, the government understands it. you seem to be the only one who refuses to do any research because you think that you have stumbled upon some loophole that everyone else in the history of the U.S.A. has overlooked.
sorry, YOUR NOT THAT SMART!!
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#109 Feb 4, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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Honestly I dont have to prove it, the courts understand it, the government understands it. you seem to be the only one who refuses to do any research because you think that you have stumbled upon some loophole that everyone else in the history of the U.S.A. has overlooked.
sorry, YOUR NOT THAT SMART!!
So if you're appealing to the courts and the government as the end all and be all, if they outlaw guns you're down wit dat?

If you can get Scalia's ass here, I'll explain to that little greaseball where he's wrong.
mind your own

Erie, PA

#110 Feb 4, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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So if you're appealing to the courts and the government as the end all and be all, if they outlaw guns you're down wit dat?
If you can get Scalia's ass here, I'll explain to that little greaseball where he's wrong.
They cannot outlaw guns. the right to bear arms is a god give right. it would still exist even if it was not mentioned in the bill of rights. The bill of right does not give us rights. its there to remind the government where they dare not tread
mind your own

Erie, PA

#111 Feb 4, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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So if you're appealing to the courts and the government as the end all and be all, if they outlaw guns you're down wit dat?
If you can get Scalia's ass here, I'll explain to that little greaseball where he's wrong.
Who is scalia??
Dickweed

Santa Rosa Beach, FL

#112 Feb 5, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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They cannot outlaw guns. the right to bear arms is a god give right. it would still exist even if it was not mentioned in the bill of rights. The bill of right does not give us rights. its there to remind the government where they dare not tread
The Bill of Rights is god given rights
The 2nd Amendment is not a god given right.
mind your own

Erie, PA

#113 Feb 5, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
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The Bill of Rights is god given rights
The 2nd Amendment is not a god given right.
Hey dickweed, the 2nd amendment is in the bill of rights stupid
Francis Marion

Erie, PA

#114 Feb 5, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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Hey dickweed, the 2nd amendment is in the bill of rights stupid
Mind Your Own, you have to remember he is a simpleton. He got confused with communist manifesto and Bill of right.
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#115 Feb 5, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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They cannot outlaw guns. the right to bear arms is a god give right. it would still exist even if it was not mentioned in the bill of rights. The bill of right does not give us rights. its there to remind the government where they dare not tread
Maybe in heaven. You're wrong. Admit it. The government CAN ban some form of armaments--but not all--because they already DO ban some.

Does the government ban some form of armaments for private citizens or not?
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#116 Feb 5, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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They cannot outlaw guns. the right to bear arms is a god give right. it would still exist even if it was not mentioned in the bill of rights. The bill of right does not give us rights. its there to remind the government where they dare not tread
BTW I hope to hear you defend militant Muslim citizens who insist they have a "God" given right to own the big guns in our country, nukes.
mind your own

Erie, PA

#117 Feb 6, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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Maybe in heaven. You're wrong. Admit it. The government CAN ban some form of armaments--but not all--because they already DO ban some.
Does the government ban some form of armaments for private citizens or not?
how manmy times do I have to tell you , it is not about armaments. it is about guns. And yes they have made some unconstitutional restrictions on guns. That does no mean that it is legal it just means there has not been enough outrage from the people to set them straight yet. besides the bill of rights there are other laws in place that forbid any restrictions on firearms to law abiding citizens.
when the government decides to violate the bill of rights by imposing restiction they try and pick out a sub group and divide them as they are trying to do with semi auto rifles. semi auto rifles are used in such a small amount of crime each year (somewhere between 0-300) compared to handguns. but the government knows that alot of people own handguns, they know that if they went after handguns a very large percent of the public would not stand for it, so they attack the smaller group first and try to label them as extremists to try and divide them from other gun owners so they dont have their support.
And your answer is yes, the government has violated our gun rights through restritions on the 2nd amendment.

I just woke up so have at it spelling police.
magic chef

Struthers, OH

#118 Feb 6, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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how manmy times do I have to tell you , it is not about armaments. it is about guns. And yes they have made some unconstitutional restrictions on guns. That does no mean that it is legal it just means there has not been enough outrage from the people to set them straight yet. besides the bill of rights there are other laws in place that forbid any restrictions on firearms to law abiding citizens.
when the government decides to violate the bill of rights by imposing restiction they try and pick out a sub group and divide them as they are trying to do with semi auto rifles. semi auto rifles are used in such a small amount of crime each year (somewhere between 0-300) compared to handguns. but the government knows that alot of people own handguns, they know that if they went after handguns a very large percent of the public would not stand for it, so they attack the smaller group first and try to label them as extremists to try and divide them from other gun owners so they dont have their support.
And your answer is yes, the government has violated our gun rights through restritions on the 2nd amendment.
I just woke up so have at it spelling police.
how many times do I have to tell you this? the Constitution IS what the Supreme Court says it IS.!
Steverino

Pittsburgh, PA

#119 Feb 6, 2013
Ahhh...one can always look forward to the most scintillating intellectual discourse on Topix. One inbred saying that guns are a God-given right, another quite sure that the government is coming to take him away, another blaming gay people for the ills of the world. Honestly, patriots like you should all crawl into your bunkers and stay there until the apocalypse. Maybe you could kidnap a little kid to keep you company like your patriot friend in Alabama did.
Stu Pedaso

Erie, PA

#120 Feb 6, 2013
Steverino wrote:
Ahhh...one can always look forward to the most scintillating intellectual discourse on Topix. One inbred saying that guns are a God-given right, another quite sure that the government is coming to take him away, another blaming gay people for the ills of the world. Honestly, patriots like you should all crawl into your bunkers and stay there until the apocalypse. Maybe you could kidnap a little kid to keep you company like your patriot friend in Alabama did.
Ahhh... no topic is complete with out your idiotic left wing bullcrap tossed in it. Drop dead flea-brain.
mind your own

Erie, PA

#123 Feb 6, 2013
magic chef wrote:
<quoted text> how many times do I have to tell you this? the Constitution IS what the Supreme Court says it IS.!
And that is exactly why we have the second amendment. If the supreme court become corrupt and misinterprets the constitution for political gain and furthering agenda, them it is up to the people to take back their government
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#124 Feb 6, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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how manmy times do I have to tell you , it is not about armaments. it is about guns. And yes they have made some unconstitutional restrictions on guns. That does no mean that it is legal it just means there has not been enough outrage from the people to set them straight yet. besides the bill of rights there are other laws in place that forbid any restrictions on firearms to law abiding citizens.
when the government decides to violate the bill of rights by imposing restiction they try and pick out a sub group and divide them as they are trying to do with semi auto rifles. semi auto rifles are used in such a small amount of crime each year (somewhere between 0-300) compared to handguns. but the government knows that alot of people own handguns, they know that if they went after handguns a very large percent of the public would not stand for it, so they attack the smaller group first and try to label them as extremists to try and divide them from other gun owners so they dont have their support.
And your answer is yes, the government has violated our gun rights through restritions on the 2nd amendment.
I just woke up so have at it spelling police.
Typical gun nut: might makes right. "there has not been enough outrage from the people to set them straight yet". So the angriest group gets to interpret the Constitution for all? Although I disagree with many decisions from the Supreme Court at least I rest easy that they at least take many of the previous concerns and issues under advisement before coming to a conclusion.

I bet you'd be hard pressed off the top of your head to name one case having to do with second amendment rights, let alone all of them, not to mention understanding them.

You are flat wrong Quickdraw.
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#129 Feb 6, 2013
wouldratherdoit wrote:
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No, the most responsible piece of equipment was he mind of the person pulling the trigger.
Any person could have done as much or more damage with a stripper fed bolt action 30-06 and a pair of Colt 45 SAA's.
Looking through the history of guns here I do see one thing. The military influenced a lot of every design that has been produced. Pretty much since the beginning, every gun was an assault weapon. From the first stick that went bang to today. So, banning military assault based weapons can lead to potentially banning all guns.
So, liberals. Say and do what you want. Obama can keep banning shit. Never blame where it solely belongs, which on the perpetrator of the crime instead of an object.
Whatever.
The end results of your reforms will point out how badly they failed.
Your point is that voiced by Ted Nugent. That guns are inanimate objects. True. But that is NOT the same thing as saying they are benign objects. Big difference. And I think that can be proofed by asking you if you are willing to take the same stance toward nukes.

They're inanimate objects. Do you think they are therefore benign? And for the record, do you remember Saint Ronnie talking about an "arms race" as opposed to a "gun race"?

Guns are mentioned nowhere in the 2nd amendment, arms are. Nukes are rightfully "arms".

An answer speaking to these ideas would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, gun nut ;)
mind your own

Erie, PA

#130 Feb 6, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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Your point is that voiced by Ted Nugent. That guns are inanimate objects. True. But that is NOT the same thing as saying they are benign objects. Big difference. And I think that can be proofed by asking you if you are willing to take the same stance toward nukes.
They're inanimate objects. Do you think they are therefore benign? And for the record, do you remember Saint Ronnie talking about an "arms race" as opposed to a "gun race"?
Guns are mentioned nowhere in the 2nd amendment, arms are. Nukes are rightfully "arms".
An answer speaking to these ideas would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, gun nut ;)
The answer is that you absolutly refuse to do any research on your own about the one word you keep dwelling on.
look how oboma tried to say That Ronald Reagan was against assault weapons. Well Reagan did say that didn't he. only thing is, when he said that we did not call semi auto fire arms assault weapons. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT BANNING MACHINE GUNS. Assault weapon had a differant meaning then. Can you see how basing your argument on one word writen 100's of years ago without doing your own research. does not make a viable argument
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#133 Feb 6, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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The answer is that you absolutly refuse to do any research on your own about the one word you keep dwelling on.
look how oboma tried to say That Ronald Reagan was against assault weapons. Well Reagan did say that didn't he. only thing is, when he said that we did not call semi auto fire arms assault weapons. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT BANNING MACHINE GUNS. Assault weapon had a differant meaning then. Can you see how basing your argument on one word writen 100's of years ago without doing your own research. does not make a viable argument
For all intents and purposes could an assault rifle be called a machine, gun? I fail to see much if any difference.(I know one uses a magazine and the other doesn't but really, does it matter if you're shot with one?)

As to your argument about a gun minding it's own business being benign, so is a nuclear device if it was sitting on my kitchen table. I doubt that would make it ok in your mind for me to own one.
magic chef

Murrysville, PA

#134 Feb 6, 2013
wouldratherdoit wrote:
Put in a clip, rack a round and set it on the table. As long as no one touches it, I will sit in front of it and it will not go off and harm me. Sounds benign to me.
Just like my car. It can sit in the driveway running all day and it will never harm anyone as long as no one touches it. Yet if I get in it and go to the peninsula and run ovedr 50 people, no one will ever say cars need to be banned, will they?
I can take my car to the store or run people over. The only 2 things you can do with a gun are kill and practice killing.
mind your own

Erie, PA

#135 Feb 7, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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For all intents and purposes could an assault rifle be called a machine, gun? I fail to see much if any difference.(I know one uses a magazine and the other doesn't but really, does it matter if you're shot with one?)
As to your argument about a gun minding it's own business being benign, so is a nuclear device if it was sitting on my kitchen table. I doubt that would make it ok in your mind for me to own one.
a semi auto,(which you like to call assault weapons) and a machine gun differ by what happens when you pull the trigger.
1. pull the trigger on a semi auto and it goes Bang.
2 pull the trigger on a machine gun and it goes, bang, bang bang, bang, bang, bang until you let off the trigger or run out of ammo.
so your answer is no they aren't the same and it has nothing to do with magazies.
and no it is not ok for you to own a nuke because the right to own one is not covered under the 2nd amendment. do your research before spouting your propaganda over your definition of one word

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