Erie Inland Port Project receives sta...

Erie Inland Port Project receives state grant

There are 18 comments on the Erie Times-News story from Apr 15, 2010, titled Erie Inland Port Project receives state grant. In it, Erie Times-News reports that:

The planned Erie Inland Port Project will get a $175,000 state grant, state Sen.

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son of crank

Hermitage, PA

#1 Apr 27, 2010
A $50 million project the taxpayers are going to be forced to throw many at. And it will compete with private industry. Where have we seen this before? Downtown I think. Condos and apartments and stores. A $50 million project. Where did that go? Nowhere.
Who was the cheerleader for that? Follow me.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Dave

Erie, PA

#2 Apr 28, 2010
son of crank wrote:
A $50 million project the taxpayers are going to be forced to throw many at. And it will compete with private industry. Where have we seen this before? Downtown I think. Condos and apartments and stores. A $50 million project. Where did that go? Nowhere.
Who was the cheerleader for that? Follow me.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
What private industry would this project be in competition with?
CRANK

Erie, PA

#3 Apr 28, 2010
son of crank wrote:
A $50 million project the taxpayers are going to be forced to throw many at. And it will compete with private industry. Where have we seen this before? Downtown I think. Condos and apartments and stores. A $50 million project. Where did that go? Nowhere.
Who was the cheerleader for that? Follow me.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
But, fooling me 104,612 times is what makes me an Erieite.
son of crank

Hermitage, PA

#4 Apr 28, 2010
Dave wrote:
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What private industry would this project be in competition with?
Dave, there are existing warehousing operations that would have to compete with a new warehousing operation built by a government funded entity. How do I complete with a project that receives government funds (free cash)?

From the interweb story - Project goal:
"To establish a 200-acre business park focused on distribution, transportation and warehousing of goods."

I'd like for this unelected and unaccountable operation to show the taxpayers a feasibility study so we're not caught up in all the smooth talk. This reminds me of all the hype about how the Saint Lawrence Seaway was supposed to deliver the world at Erie's doorstep. It was going to be great. But, the Seaway's promise fizzled only a few years after it was open and by the late '60's was a bust leaving expensive infrastructure to be maintained with fewer dollars.

The US/Canada border crossings are going to get more customs terminals which will make trucking faster and keep it the superior way to move goods. This pipe dream that Erie will become a major port is just that. There's no basis in reality. Even if it were, there's not enough land on Erie's waterfront to create the necessary infrastructure. Speaking of which it would cost millions to build.

There are so many questions the taxpayers should have answered before more resources are committed. Kohler, juice plant, grocery stores, runway extensions, cruise ship this, condo that. Enough.
Ike Turner

Waterford, PA

#5 Apr 28, 2010
I would rather see projects like this than a tire plant. From what I have read these will be good paying jobs and the potential for the area to grow is huge. State Rep. John Evans has been working this very hard and we are about to see the fruits of his labor very shortly, look for Evans to be the next governor from this part of the state.
Bill Fletcher

Hermitage, PA

#6 Apr 28, 2010
Ike Turner wrote:
I would rather see projects like this than a tire plant. From what I have read these will be good paying jobs and the potential for the area to grow is huge. State Rep. John Evans has been working this very hard and we are about to see the fruits of his labor very shortly, look for Evans to be the next governor from this part of the state.
John Evans? The guy who voted himself a payraise? That John Evans?
Next governor??? The guy is worthless.
Ike Turner

Waterford, PA

#7 Apr 29, 2010
Fletch, John told me Tom Ridge got him where he is at now and he can take him to the governors office when needed.
Dave

Erie, PA

#8 Apr 29, 2010
son of crank wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave, there are existing warehousing operations that would have to compete with a new warehousing operation built by a government funded entity. How do I complete with a project that receives government funds (free cash)?
From the interweb story - Project goal:
"To establish a 200-acre business park focused on distribution, transportation and warehousing of goods."
I'd like for this unelected and unaccountable operation to show the taxpayers a feasibility study so we're not caught up in all the smooth talk. This reminds me of all the hype about how the Saint Lawrence Seaway was supposed to deliver the world at Erie's doorstep. It was going to be great. But, the Seaway's promise fizzled only a few years after it was open and by the late '60's was a bust leaving expensive infrastructure to be maintained with fewer dollars.
The US/Canada border crossings are going to get more customs terminals which will make trucking faster and keep it the superior way to move goods. This pipe dream that Erie will become a major port is just that. There's no basis in reality. Even if it were, there's not enough land on Erie's waterfront to create the necessary infrastructure. Speaking of which it would cost millions to build.
There are so many questions the taxpayers should have answered before more resources are committed. Kohler, juice plant, grocery stores, runway extensions, cruise ship this, condo that. Enough.
This is not a plan to build warehouses with public money. It is a plan to build infrastructure so that private business can decide whether or not to invest. The plan would be a huge boost to the local economy. It would facilitate feight movement from Erie via ship, rail, Less than truckload freight, air. Even you stated that their would be more freight moving between Canada and the US. That means via the I-79 and I-71 corridors freight moving to/from the southern states would travel through or near Erie. I have been moving freight throughout North America, Europe, and Asia for 22 years. It is not cheap to move freight through Detroit or Chicago. If we had the infrastucture, and there were companies with people that want to succeed and benefit personally by their hard work and dedication, they could eat the lunch of Teamster controlled Ports.
There is a huge benefit to my customers to have their products warehoused in a bonded warehouse rather than paying Duty and having it sit in my plant for up to many months before they accept and use the products that they import.
This is probably great Oppenheimer Bait, so fire away. But before you start, I remember. You pay more in property taxes than I earn in a year. I don't need to hear it again.
Cheers!
Dave
son of crank

Hermitage, PA

#9 Apr 29, 2010
Let's see the feasibility study before my tax dollars are spent on this 10 year old idea. A lot has happened in 10 years. The steel industry changes, energy policy in Ontario, etc.

There is a rush to pull off the "big project" because of someone's ego and someone's career. All I want is some more scrutiny because of what's happened in the past.

BTW, I didn't state that more freight would be moving between the US and Canada. Just that the movement of goods at the borders would be faster.
Rob Lowe

Waterford, PA

#10 Apr 29, 2010
Son of Crank, I am amazed, if the state help did'nt arrive you and Ol'Crank would be complaining that no one is doing anything to create jobs in this area, "some one turn off the lights when the last person leaves", and all the other bitch and complain tactics you and some others like to trott out. Do some research and get out and check on what you are complaining about before you post, that way you don't sound like as big of a horses ass as you now do.
son of crank

Hermitage, PA

#11 Apr 29, 2010
Rob Lowe wrote:
Son of Crank, I am amazed, if the state help did'nt arrive you and Ol'Crank would be complaining that no one is doing anything to create jobs in this area, "some one turn off the lights when the last person leaves", and all the other bitch and complain tactics you and some others like to trott out. Do some research and get out and check on what you are complaining about before you post, that way you don't sound like as big of a horses ass as you now do.
Using the name Rob I taped myself having sex with a 16 year old Lowe doesn't make you sound like a horse's ass at all. I guess when you don't have anything useful to say or contribute to the discussion you resort to insults.

Post the link to the feasibility study and tell us when the meetings were held for the public to weigh in. Also show how the feasibility study was peer reviewed.

All I've asked is for more scrutiny of this group and this $50 million project. Remember this is the same group of go getters that sold prime industrial land to a high school for a football field.
Bob Oppenheimer

Edison, NJ

#12 Apr 30, 2010
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>
This is not a plan to build warehouses with public money. It is a plan to build infrastructure so that private business can decide whether or not to invest. The plan would be a huge boost to the local economy. It would facilitate feight movement from Erie via ship, rail, Less than truckload freight, air. Even you stated that their would be more freight moving between Canada and the US. That means via the I-79 and I-71 corridors freight moving to/from the southern states would travel through or near Erie. I have been moving freight throughout North America, Europe, and Asia for 22 years. It is not cheap to move freight through Detroit or Chicago. If we had the infrastucture, and there were companies with people that want to succeed and benefit personally by their hard work and dedication, they could eat the lunch of Teamster controlled Ports.
There is a huge benefit to my customers to have their products warehoused in a bonded warehouse rather than paying Duty and having it sit in my plant for up to many months before they accept and use the products that they import.
This is probably great Oppenheimer Bait, so fire away. But before you start, I remember. You pay more in property taxes than I earn in a year. I don't need to hear it again.
Cheers!
Dave
and it will service the high speed trains, the concord will come back as a cargo plane, maersk will make erie a hub, and the space shuttle will land there. OH...and with C$ at par watch out for Canadian exports... maple syrup at $ 50.00 a gallon! Crime is the only growth industry in erie... and you think there won't be union ramifications in mentally slow erie ?
Just Thinkin

Erie, PA

#13 Apr 30, 2010
Wouldn't it be a good idea to build a nice warehouse and material handling facility for importing sterilizers?
Dave

Erie, PA

#14 Apr 30, 2010
Bob Oppenheimer wrote:
<quoted text>
and it will service the high speed trains, the concord will come back as a cargo plane, maersk will make erie a hub, and the space shuttle will land there. OH...and with C$ at par watch out for Canadian exports... maple syrup at $ 50.00 a gallon! Crime is the only growth industry in erie... and you think there won't be union ramifications in mentally slow erie ?
Pretty good answer Bob. I actually kind of like you. That's why I called you out. You actually still have some brain cells working in that old coconut.
Heinrich VonSpankme

Waterford, PA

#15 Apr 30, 2010
Bob, don't bend over in front of Dave!
bob oppenheimer

Edison, NJ

#16 Apr 30, 2010
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty good answer Bob. I actually kind of like you. That's why I called you out. You actually still have some brain cells working in that old coconut.
you can scratch the maple syrup, i just learned Ottawa has a pipeline planned....maybe erie can become a toilet paper hub.
bob oppenheimer

Edison, NJ

#17 Apr 30, 2010
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty good answer Bob. I actually kind of like you. That's why I called you out. You actually still have some brain cells working in that old coconut.
I will match my ' old coconut' against your middle aged poppy seed any day.
Man it is cold outside

Cleveland, OH

#18 May 1, 2010
This too will be a teamster controlled port, so why will ours be cheaper to use?

It won't. Union thugs suck.
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>
This is not a plan to build warehouses with public money. It is a plan to build infrastructure so that private business can decide whether or not to invest. The plan would be a huge boost to the local economy. It would facilitate feight movement from Erie via ship, rail, Less than truckload freight, air. Even you stated that their would be more freight moving between Canada and the US. That means via the I-79 and I-71 corridors freight moving to/from the southern states would travel through or near Erie. I have been moving freight throughout North America, Europe, and Asia for 22 years. It is not cheap to move freight through Detroit or Chicago. If we had the infrastucture, and there were companies with people that want to succeed and benefit personally by their hard work and dedication, they could eat the lunch of Teamster controlled Ports.
There is a huge benefit to my customers to have their products warehoused in a bonded warehouse rather than paying Duty and having it sit in my plant for up to many months before they accept and use the products that they import.
This is probably great Oppenheimer Bait, so fire away. But before you start, I remember. You pay more in property taxes than I earn in a year. I don't need to hear it again.
Cheers!
Dave

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