No More No New McDowell

[Pedal power]

Watching wrote:

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Yes. Donna Reese makes no bones about her disgust with gay people so I would not be surprised at all if she is the anonymous poster of the offensive and ridiculous suppositions on topix just as she has on Facebook. I won't vote for Wilga, but won't because I don't respect him not because of anything he does with his private life. I am not defending or making any excuses for him because I don't like some of the decisions he has made. But the absurd homophobic comments on here are discriminatory, illegal, and defamatory, as well as speak poorly of the township. I simply want to state that I don't like the man, but I like the derogatory comments even less.

Well said.
It is too bad others cannot distinguish between right and wrong.
The kicker is: with zero proof if he has the lifestyle a select few speak of, they will proclaim it somehow harms kids.

How does acting this way or saying these things help those same kids?

The main role models in a child's life starts at home- and they are promoting this level of hate.

Gino's failure continues.

[living in millcreek]

Pedal power wrote:

<quoted text>Well said.
It is too bad others cannot distinguish between right and wrong.
The kicker is: with zero proof if he has the lifestyle a select few speak of, they will proclaim it somehow harms kids.
How does acting this way or saying these things help those same kids?
The main role models in a child's life starts at home- and they are promoting this level of hate.
Gino's failure continues.

I dislike adultery more than homosexuality, Donna.

[Millcreek res]

Pedal power wrote:

<quoted text>Chaulk up racism as another method No New McDowell is using to divide our community.
Gino's failure continues.

First - I am not in No New McDowell, and could care less about them. I am just a concerned home owner. Just because I agree with them on some things does NOT mean I am somehow indoctrinated. Get with the program. No one is just black or white in school politics.

Second - Homosexuality is NOT a race.

Third - What on earth did No New Mcdowell do that warrents your hate? I don't even dislike the board as a whole. Just certian board members like Ron Wilga and Kramer in particular. Wilga ripped us all off. Gay/Bi or whatever he is. I don't care but he was never even certified. He's not professional and excessively selfish in his own personal agendas as was seen with Brunetti and in his work in the student services committee.

Fourth - All you do is prove Mr. Montagna correct. Your stubborn repetition of "Gino's failure..." is evidence of the unwillingness to listen we saw and read about MANY times in the ETN! You pro consolidation board members didn't want to listen. Now look. Project ON HOLD, and most likey never to return.

Fifth - Lastly, stop feeling sorry for yourself and whatever political future you people had hoped for. It looks godawful when people google millcreek school board because of instigators like you.

[Pedal power]

Millcreek res wrote:

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First - I am not in No New McDowell, and could care less about them. I am just a concerned home owner. Just because I agree with them on some things does NOT mean I am somehow indoctrinated. Get with the program. No one is just black or white in school politics.
Second - Homosexuality is NOT a race.
Third - What on earth did No New Mcdowell do that warrents your hate? I don't even dislike the board as a whole. Just certian board members like Ron Wilga and Kramer in particular. Wilga ripped us all off. Gay/Bi or whatever he is. I don't care but he was never even certified. He's not professional and excessively selfish in his own personal agendas as was seen with Brunetti and in his work in the student services committee.
Fourth - All you do is prove Mr. Montagna correct. Your stubborn repetition of "Gino's failure..." is evidence of the unwillingness to listen we saw and read about MANY times in the ETN! You pro consolidation board members didn't want to listen. Now look. Project ON HOLD, and most likey never to return.
Fifth - Lastly, stop feeling sorry for yourself and whatever political future you people had hoped for. It looks godawful when people google millcreek school board because of instigators like you.

First, I to am a concerned homeowner, which is why the personal attacks that have been the cornerstone of No New McDowell's tactics need to be either stopped, or made known to everyone in the Millcreek community. We do not want these type of tactics used as a method of making decisions for our children.

Second- yes, homophobia is racism:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-stone/ame...

http://soaw.org/index.php...

Third: NNM tore Millcreek apart with their twisting of the truth and blatent lying. If they would have just stuck to the facts, and not let it get personal, the consolidation still would not have moved forward.

Fourth: Gino's failure is ongoing. He has tainted so many with false facts, most do not know what is true. He has created an atmosphere that nobody will ever trust any future board members. This does the younger generations of Millcreek zero good. When Millcreek residents did listen, and then asked Gino questions, he bullied them into silence because they questioned his "authority".

Fifth: I feel sorry for Millcreek students and our community that has had to deal with all these unfounded accusations. Nobody deserved this type of disrespect Gino has shown to everyone.

Your attitude is a prime example of why Gino's failure continues...

[Millcreek res]

Pedal power wrote:

<quoted text>First, I to am a concerned homeowner, which is why the personal attacks that have been the cornerstone of No New McDowell's tactics need to be either stopped, or made known to everyone in the Millcreek community. We do not want these type of tactics used as a method of making decisions for our children.
Second- yes, homophobia is racism:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-stone/ame...
http://soaw.org/index.php...

That is not fact and most definatley can be contested. You are lumping apples with oranges. You're tying them together to suit your own purpose. They have only dirogitory qualities in common.

Well now you cannot talk about spin anymore, because its something you just laid on me. Homophobia is not racism.

Disliking or distrusting a homosexual will never be the same thing as the hatred of a race, such as African Americans or Caucasians. Yes the results of hatred are sadly the same, but then you would be comparing outcomes not intrinsic qualities. I foundamentally disagree and feel major major spin being thrown my way from you.

Your agenda is clear. You want to muddy the waters with the word "racism" so you conviently place homophobia in the same bin as racism. Nice try. But you failed this time and you can't blame Gino!

[Pedal power]

Millcreek res wrote:

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That is not fact and most definatley can be contested. You are lumping apples with oranges. You're tying them together to suit your own purpose. They have only dirogitory qualities in common.
Well now you cannot talk about spin anymore, because its something you just laid on me. Homophobia is not racism.
Disliking or distrusting a homosexual will never be the same thing as the hatred of a race, such as African Americans or Caucasians. Yes the results of hatred are sadly the same, but then you would be comparing outcomes not intrinsic qualities. I foundamentally disagree and feel major major spin being thrown my way from you.
Your agenda is clear. You want to muddy the waters with the word "racism" so you conviently place homophobia in the same bin as racism. Nice try. But you failed this time and you can't blame Gino!

If you don't want to believe the homophobic attacks are not a form of racism, that is your choice.

What you seem to not understand is that no matter what your sexual preference is, it does not make you a bad teacher or a bad person.

I'm sure you can see from the numerous, and unfounded, comments about Mr. Wilga, what Gino's agenda is.

More information for you to consider as well as see that this whole personal attack is more apples to apples than you believe:

http://www.safeatschool.ca/index.php...

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/va-governor-ro...

Gino's failure continues, as does his racism.

[Millcreek res]

No I simply cannot accept that arguement because homosexuals do not represent a race. Therefore it is not racism. It is homophobia. Something entirely different.

I agree with you. I think teachers can be in essence good reguardless of sexual preference. But its not that simple. It is subjective because if enough people feel that teacher is a bad role model and is a poor example for our kids, they will rally to remove that teacher.

Look what happened to that one teacher that had students dress in Islamic clothing and said terrorists from Sept. 11th are freedom fighters. What will happen to her I wonder? One way or the other her career will never be the same.

My problem with Wilga is the mockery he made of the district by never having certifications mostly but a few other things mentioned here.

My attitude as an example? Just because I disagree with you? I may be a young homeowner but I'm not ignorant. I never was one to be spoon fed information. That goes for everything I see on Gino's page too. People all have access to boarddocs, can attend meetings and read\watch the news. Gino is just one man with one voice. That is how I see him.

Gino's authority?? I never prescribed to anyone's authority. I ended up really not liking Lou Aliota. I trusted him for the very first time because he is educated and seemed to understand what he was speaking about, but I found him to be extreamly divisive. Even hostile and very hard to have even the simplest conversation with unless it follows the script he has preset in his own mind.

As I see it now that the consolidation is off the table Gino's professional word on the issue is moot because we no longer have a building problem. Yes, I listened and trusted what he said about the school construction because Gino is a builder. I am an accounting assistant. The only thing I ever built was a wooden birdhouse.

I think you worry too much about Gino. Now that new school is off the table others will not listen to Gino as much now because he's a builder. His special knowledge base is no longer up front and center.

[Millcreek res]

Pedal power wrote:

<quoted text>More information for you to consider as well as see that this whole personal attack is more apples to apples than you believe:
http://www.safeatschool.ca/index.php...
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/va-governor-ro...

I don't disagree with your links here at all. I know MTSD is an EOE employer and any kind of sexual discrimination would never be tolerated from within.

But I don't understand and can't believe Gino would attack Wilga just because of sexual preference. It doesn't add up. Wilga isn't up for election until 2014 right? Why would he go after that board member now? Not logical.

[Pedal power]

Again, if you don't want to recognize the comments about Wilga as being racist, that is your choice.

I have no problem with letting the court of public opinion make their own conclusion.

Racism is much more than just a skin color.

Gino's failure continues.

[Millcreek res]

Pedal power wrote:

Again, if you don't want to recognize the comments about Wilga as being racist, that is your choice.
I have no problem with letting the court of public opinion make their own conclusion.
Racism is much more than just a skin color.
Gino's failure continues.

You're just as bad as Gino then. You're playing games with two different concepts and selfishly mingling the two for your own selfish gain.

Just like a politician, or in this case a board member!

You should take a break from watered down "feel good" educational tutorials and dive into something better like Epistemology. Embrace the whole truth. Not just your own refelction as you have been doing here tonight. That is why you cannot tell the difference between adequate knowledge and inadequate knowlege.

You've been sucking on the same pipe for quite some time now and the darn thing has been outta smoke for a long time!

You're lost in hate for Gino. And he doesn't even care. Sad.

[Millcreek res]

Pedal power wrote:

Again, if you don't want to recognize the comments about Wilga as being racist, that is your choice.
I have no problem with letting the court of public opinion make their own conclusion.

They are homophobic comments, NOT racist.

[Pedal Power]

Millcreek res wrote:

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They are homophobic comments, NOT racist.

They are not only homophobic, but most certainly racist.

http://unfinishedlivesblog.com/2012/06/09/ant...

[Millcreek res]

Pedal Power wrote:

<quoted text>They are not only homophobic, but most certainly racist.
http://unfinishedlivesblog.com/2012/06/09/ant...

That is biased and opinionated because it was written by the gay community.

[Millcreek res]

So then by your definition a gay black male is the same race as a gay white male??? Because if I discriminated againsted either it would be racist.

[Pedal power]

Millcreek res wrote:

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That is biased and opinionated because it was written by the gay community.

So this is biased, but Gino's & No New McDowell's racial accusations are not?

Quite the spin there! You sure you are not part of No New McDowell? This type of twist is right up their alley.

Gino's failure continues.

[Millcreek res]

Pedal power wrote:

<quoted text>So this is biased, but Gino's & No New McDowell's racial accusations are not?
Quite the spin there! You sure you are not part of No New McDowell? This type of twist is right up their alley.
Gino's failure continues.

Sure is look who it is written by. Gino's page does have bias too, because he is supporting only selected candidates. I really do feel bad for you if u think everyone that disagrees with you is from Gino's grp. You are developing an obsessive complex.

[Ronald McDonald]

Millcreek wrote:

The consolidation plan appears to be off the table. Gus Anderson field is not being moved. NNM's agendas have become moot. It is time for the signs to stop littering our landscape and for the community and district to work together. Move on.

Move on down to McDonald's for a Crispy McChicken Filet. Lightly breaded and fried to crispy perfection.Make it an Extra Value Meal today.At participating locations.

[Pedal power]

Millcreek res wrote:

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Sure is look who it is written by. Gino's page does have bias too, because he is supporting only selected candidates. I really do feel bad for you if u think everyone that disagrees with you is from Gino's grp. You are developing an obsessive complex.

Is that just as sad as you claiming I must be a board member because I don't agree with: Gino, his tactics, his racism, and how he keeps tearing Millcreek apart for no reason?

Ah yes, the No New McDowell spin continues.

Why is your definition of homophobia racist? Homosexuaks can not control their orintation any more than they can control their skin color. I find the term homopobia is not accurate. Phobia is irrational fear, not dislike. But I can think of no better word.

Homosexual dislike comes from, I think, people afraid of their internal curiosity about homosexuality, honestly why should a person who knows that they are heterosexual care about people who are homosexual?

Aside from all that, the accusations made still have no merit. On top of that, if Gino does not care, why still bring it up?

Gino's failure continues.

[Millcreek res]

Pedal power wrote:

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Ah yes, the No New McDowell spin continues.

Why is your definition of homophobia racist? Homosexuaks can not control their orintation any more than they can control their skin color. I find the term homopobia is not accurate. Phobia is irrational fear, not dislike. But I can think of no better word.
Homosexual dislike comes from, I think, people afraid of their internal curiosity about homosexuality, honestly why should a person who knows that they are heterosexual care about people who are homosexual?
Aside from all that, the accusations made still have no merit. On top of that, if Gino does not care, why still bring it up?
Gino's failure continues.

The NNM spin is just a pitch at becoming a board member right now. As I see it that page is just a campaign page. Don't you think? Pitzer and Reese and Lou just fill it with whatever they want. Everyone knows that. And like you said you are okay with letting the public decide and they will.

Your definition of racism sets off all my bells and whistles off. You are reaching for something more than just the Ron Wilga affair his neighbors and these people are chatting up about.

As to the control part I honestly don't know. Perhaps they can't control being gay. I have no problem with gay people, in fact they have always been kind to me. But a race is a race due to physical and concrete reasons. Sexual choice is not a racial characteristic. Black people, White people, Asian people all can be gay. When people like you try to melt these things down into one pot it bothers me. People that don't discern information will instantly buy into it.

You make a simple issue into a mountian by adding in all this sensationalism. All in an attempt to craft a new version of what racism is. This puts your motive in question.

[Watching]

WHO CARES what it's called, it's all hatred that poisons our community. Gino and NNM started a blemish that will take years to heal.