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xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6195 Jul 6, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Sounds like someone defending themselves from a whacko with a gun.
If Zimmerman wasn't out engaging in his Clint Eastwood fantasy, none of that would have happened.
If Martin wasn't high and attacked Zimmerman, nothing would have happened.

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#6196 Jul 6, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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He's a liberal. Don't they always?
Always.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6197 Jul 6, 2012
free wrote:
Even Bullies and Bigots deserve to live, regardless of how bad they disgust us. The time, resources, energy, love, attention, life lessons and even the costs to raise and nurture a child do not deserve a death sentence just because some idiot vigilante with a deadly weapon can't tell the difference between danger and intrusion.
Zimmerman should have just turned and ran.
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He didn't have to. Martin turned and ran. Zimmerman stayed on the phone with 911 for a few minutes after Martin departed giving him more than ample time to make it back to his fathers girlfriends house. But he didn't. Obviously, he came back to settle the score.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6198 Jul 6, 2012
Who cares wrote:
I have a question for everybody. If it would have been a white kid that got shot would it have ever even made the news? Personally I dout it because white people are treated unfairly against. Black people have the NAACP ect.
This was all politics guided by the liberal media. They knew they were creating a racial incident when no race was involved besides the players. They also knew that it's likely the conservatives would come out in defense of Zimmerman while the liberals would do the exact opposite. It's part of DumBama's way of further dividing the country for reelection purposes.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#6199 Jul 6, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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He's a liberal. Don't they always?
Kramers Attorney wrote:
<quoted text>Always.
ridiculous bullshittt.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#6200 Jul 6, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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This was all politics guided by the liberal media. They knew they were creating a racial incident when no race was involved besides the players. They also knew that it's likely the conservatives would come out in defense of Zimmerman while the liberals would do the exact opposite. It's part of DumBama's way of further dividing the country for reelection purposes.
Just once, might you think it would be advantageous to wait until the facts are fleshed out in a court of law before you arrive at a conclusion, especially since you hold the media in such high regard?

woof

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#6203 Jul 6, 2012
free wrote:
If Zimmerman didn't have a dealy weapon, what do you think he would have done ? What would you do as an intelligent, survivalist who cherishes freedom and healthy life in general ?
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So you're saying his willingness to confront Thuggy cane from his weapon?
What would I do? Exactly what Zimmerman did. And he was attacked by Ashtray.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6206 Jul 6, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Just once, might you think it would be advantageous to wait until the facts are fleshed out in a court of law before you arrive at a conclusion, especially since you hold the media in such high regard?
woof
I'm all for that, but it seems to me it's the liberals who tried, juried and convicted in this case before trail. Why should we not offer opinions too?

What I find amusing is that these types of shootings happen all the time, yet, for some reason, in a very swing state, this case was brought to the attention of the national media. It's the media who identified Zimmerman as a white-hispanic. Why is it DumBama is black and not a white African American?

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#6207 Jul 6, 2012
free wrote:
So you're going to risk your health not caring about your family (wife & kids & kin) as well as your freedom to prove you may be a bigger bad ass than someone you don't know and may be carrying a weapon too ? You're telling us you're going to risk it all for an ego trip ? Zimmy had no business taking a law enforcement posture, none. He was told to stop pursuit. He didn't listen and someone paid with his life, thug & all.
How's that working for him now ? Zimmy overplayed his hand, didn't he ?
You ever heard of looking out for your neighbors?
Zimmerman told the 911 dispatcher that he was walking back to his truck to await the police. Ashtray then attacked.
You are apparently related to those who let Kitty Genovese die in the street in 1964.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6208 Jul 6, 2012
free wrote:
So you're going to risk your health not caring about your family (wife & kids & kin) as well as your freedom to prove you may be a bigger bad ass than someone you don't know and may be carrying a weapon too ? You're telling us you're going to risk it all for an ego trip ? Zimmy had no business taking a law enforcement posture, none. He was told to stop pursuit. He didn't listen and someone paid with his life, thug & all.
How's that working for him now ? Zimmy overplayed his hand, didn't he ?
You like so many others are buying into this lie that Zimmerman continued his pursuit. There is absolutely no evidence of this. In fact, if you listen to the original 911 recording, you hear Zimmerman's phone brushing against something while his breathing increased. When the dispatcher heard this panting , it prompted him to ask Zimmerman if he was following Martin? To that, Zimmerman said "Yes I am." The dispatcher advised Zimmerman to discontinue his pursuit, and within five seconds, the brushing over the phone stopped, Zimmerman's breathing returned back to a normal pace, and he continued his conversation with dispatch discussing the meeting place between himself and arriving officers in a normal, calm voice.

If Zimmerman did as you said, and continued following a running athletic Martin, then how was he able to carry on his two minute conversation with dispatch in a normal voice? Police officers can't even do that when they are chasing a suspect.
UN Happy

Memphis, TN

#6209 Jul 6, 2012
no good choices
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6210 Jul 6, 2012
free wrote:
No you wouldn't ! You would rationalize that a confrontation is not worth it and you have too much to lose. Your life included. If you were interceding in an assault of an innocent victim, maybe. But even then your best course of action is call law enforcement.
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Which is exactly what Zimmerman did? Let me ask: if you had this Rambo fantasy in your mind, and you were about to hunt down some teenager, would you call the police first? Would you tell them your every suspicion and your intent? Would you explain why you were suspect of Martin? Hell no you wouldn't. You would shoot to kill and ask questions later.

As explained by Zimmerman's father (who obviously discussed this case with his son) Zimmerman had no intent of using his weapon. It's just that during this attack, Martin discovered Zimmerman's gun when his shirt lifted up. At that point, Martin tried to remove his gun from Zimmerman.

I'm a CCW holder in the state of Ohio. Our law states that you may use your firearm if you believe that you are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. If I'm attacked, and my attacker is trying to disarm me, you bet your life I'm in jeopardy of death. By law (like Zimmerman) I have every right to use my firearm to protect myself.
Loren Eberly

Mount Vernon, OH

#6211 Jul 6, 2012
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Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#6212 Jul 6, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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I'm all for that, but it seems to me it's the liberals who tried, juried and convicted in this case before trail. Why should we not offer opinions too?
Ok you're right.

Jumping to conclusions before there's evidence presented in court is certainly the best way to figure out who is the criminal, and who is not, or whether there even is a criminal at all.

I seem to remember you saying something quite recently about respecting the founders' opinions...the sanctity of the Constitution and all o that really really good stuff you like to throw around.

Guess it doesn't apply for you in cases like this.

Hang em high....or let em go...whatever the case may be as you see it. No need for a trial. No need for all of those sticky evidentiary rules, juries of peers, 5th Amendment rights.

And if the Media overreacts and throws out bad information because they're too lazy to investigate, and too afraid of getting scooped by the competition, well, the best thing to do is just make a decision about what you think happened and roll with it.

Sure is easier that way, I suppose.

woof

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#6215 Jul 6, 2012
free wrote:
You're trying to justify using deadly force to off a teenage thug and this situation doesn't initially rise to that level.
Zimmerman put himself in harms way and in hindsight would've /could've avoided the whole sequence of events.
your right, Zimmerman was a wannabee police officer with a gun and proved that to the police after the dispatcher told him not to follow Trayvon Martin and stay in his vehicle which he did not do and that there is when Zimmerman became the aggressor of situation.
clueless

Cleveland, OH

#6219 Jul 7, 2012
Zimmerman did everyone a favor for the future. This THUG would have ended up robbing and killing someone soon. Just one less pain in the a-- to deal with and pay for in the future...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6220 Jul 7, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Ok you're right.
Jumping to conclusions before there's evidence presented in court is certainly the best way to figure out who is the criminal, and who is not, or whether there even is a criminal at all.
I seem to remember you saying something quite recently about respecting the founders' opinions...the sanctity of the Constitution and all o that really really good stuff you like to throw around.
Guess it doesn't apply for you in cases like this.
Hang em high....or let em go...whatever the case may be as you see it. No need for a trial. No need for all of those sticky evidentiary rules, juries of peers, 5th Amendment rights.
And if the Media overreacts and throws out bad information because they're too lazy to investigate, and too afraid of getting scooped by the competition, well, the best thing to do is just make a decision about what you think happened and roll with it.
Sure is easier that way, I suppose.
woof
Not at all, it's just that there are been so many theories...... so many lies about this case, that the liberals refuse to look at THE FACTS ONLY. When I discuss this case, I point out only the facts and ask questions of the contrary. In fact, here is the newest one by Indi:

"your right, Zimmerman was a wannabee police officer with a gun and proved that to the police after the dispatcher told him not to follow Trayvon Martin and stay in his vehicle which he did not do and that there is when Zimmerman became the aggressor of situation."

Here we go again. The dispatcher NEVER asked Zimmerman to stay in his car on that 911 recording. It's just that this is yet another liberal talking point that gets repeated over and over again until people believe it's truth. There is no truth to the dispatcher saying anything about the car, just as there is no truth that Zimmerman continued his pursuit after the dispatcher SUGGESTED that he withdraw. But if you repeat a lie frequently enough, people start to believe it, and liberal blogs and discussions of this case are loaded with them.

I dated a girl a few years back who was on disability. She hated it and wanted to do something for a living, but her physical illnesses prevented her from working. She frequently discussed being a police dispatcher but didn't know how to become one. So I e-mailed my Councilman who happens to be a friend of mine and asked him what the qualifications were. He contacted the Chief of police, and as it turns out, there are no qualifications to be a dispatcher. If you are fortunate enough to get the job, they train you while you work. But there is no school to go to, no police work background, no legal background or experience, just on the job training. Therefore, a dispatcher has no authority over you. They are working stiffs just like you and I.
pollster

Bristolville, OH

#6224 Jul 7, 2012
dfr
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6225 Jul 7, 2012
free wrote:
Rambo wasn't territorial. Soldier of Fortune Zimmerman was not, nor was paid to do so. If he had a Rambo mindset, which would be a bad defense strategy, he needs some decompression time in prison. Of course the residents of the penal colony don't carry weapons, but can mete justice in their own way.
He did call law enforcement and still didn't abide by their direction, because Billy Badass was carrying his weapon of choice and he was going to confront the stranger, whom he didn't know from xxxrayted. And this wasn't the first time Georgie boy abused the 911 system.
What would you have done if you were in Martin's dark skin and a "white" latino with an anglo name followed you, when in fact you'd done nothing to provoke contact ? With your CCW license, do you wave your concealed weapon around and say "Back up suck-a, I'll shoot your white latino ass ! I'm a Cowboy Carryin' Weapon. "
I could care less if Martin was a thug. Nobody vetted him until the media got a hold of his background. Zimmy didn't know it at the time of contact. He should have been more responsible and restrained. Supposedly he was the adult in that situation.
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Okay, what did Zimmerman not do that the dispatcher suggest he do? I would like to know. Because I listened to that 911 tape more than I did the song "Joy to the world" when I was a kid. Even though I haven't listened to it in a few months, I could still almost mouth every word on that recording. What did I miss?

My point is that Zimmerman did not have a Rambo mentality. This is the anti-Zimmerman assumption out there. I was merely trying to put it to a rest by asking some reasonable questions to make my point.

Yes, Zimmerman did frequently call 911. Did you ever go to a Block Watch meeting? That's what they tell you to do: call police for every little thing even if the suspect did nothing wrong. It won't hurt to have officers check out your suspicions.

What should Martin have done? He should have continued to walk back to the house he was staying at. That's all. If he felt threatened, then he should have taken the painstaking effort to hang up with his girlfriend and call police which he didn't; probably because he was high.

Now let me ask what you would have done in Zimmermans shoes: you call police about a shady looking guy. He runs away, and then returns several minutes later to settle the score. He is ten years younger, more athletic, and much taller than you, and upon the attack, you are immediately overpowered. You are on the ground, your eyes are watering to the point you can't see because that's what happens when you get struck in the nose. It's dark. You are screaming for help, but reasonably assured that help will not arrive in time. You are nearly unconscious from having your head slammed into the ground. Your blood is all over your face and shirt, and you have no idea if this guy is trying to kill you or not. During the vicious attack from this animal, he discovers your gun and tries to disarm you. What should you do? Wait to see if he is going to shoot you dead because you are the adult in the situation?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6226 Jul 7, 2012
Youre fired wrote:
Zimmerman is toast. Dumb wannabe who had gotten off for assaulting a cop and his ex-girlfriend, you can even find his application letter to the police academy where he admits what he did and then quickly adds that his dad is a former judge and his mon works for the government. Why put that in the letter? Ah yes, because like every other screw up he gets a pass. Now he's murdered a kid walking home from the store. I can't wait until he's put in with the general population in prison!:)
Yes, he was drunk and pushed a cop which he pled down to a much lesser charge. Wow, what a criminal. And it had nothing to do with his girlfriend. He was with a buddy and in a drunken stupor, pushed the cop who was putting cuffs on his friend. What a crazy man.

As for his girlfriend, he was never arrested, tried or convicted for assaulting her. She made that claim with no police interaction. He said/ she said. She filed for a protection order from Zimmerman, but he too filed a protection order from her. She never had any injuries, nor was ever treated for these supposed injuries.

Zimmerman's father was a nobody. Hardly a judge at all. He married people and heard small claims cases. He didn't even work in the same state and was retired when his son was attacked.

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