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A student at Kent State University who was severely beaten last week has died in an Akron hospital.

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Reader

Columbus, OH

#62 Nov 27, 2009
Bob wrote:
" No one has been charged with a hate crime. The police have investigated whether the attack was preceded by racist remarks on the part of the victim, but they have dismissed that possibility".
Reader, is that your definition of a hate crime ?
You think racist remarks on the part of the VICTIM make it a hate crime? What about the Perps, they are the ones that would be looked to for making racist remarks before they killed the victim in this case. How did the police determine if the perps made any comments prior to getting out of the car? Hate crimes are thought crimes and how democrats want to punish thought is pathetic. A 23 year old was killed but according to democrats, it was not a hateful act, it was just a beatdown the resulted in good old fashioned murder, not hate.
No--that is not my definition of a hate crime, but it is an indication of the investigation thus far into any role that race may have played in this crime. Frankly, the crime, as revealed by facts currently known, mystifies me--not because I have excluded race as a factor--but because I do not see any evidence one way or another. Evidence that might support a hate crime might include prior statements--particularly if they had anything to do with going out to kick some white behind, or words to that effect. In essense, if they victim were black--would the actions of the perpetrators be the same or different? Every black on white crime is not a hate crime, just as every white on black crime is not a hate crime. There are in fact crimes motivated by hatred of a group--some physically violent and some more harassing. There is a difference between spray-painting someone's garage, and spray-painting a threat against an ethnic group on the garage of someone belonging to that group. Beating up someone to take their wallet is different than beating up someone because they just came out of a gay bar.

Frankly, the crime as described currently to my mind has an unexplained motive. Perhaps the primary cause was an objection to being called a "dick" by someone just almost run over. Perhaps drugs or alcohol were an enhancement. Perhaps there was an earlier contact that we don't know anything about yet. Maybe the perps were out cruising for white students (or gays) to beat up on. My only point is that I don't know--ande if others think that they do, I ask that they share what fuels that knowledge.
madhungarian

Salem, OH

#63 Nov 27, 2009
Why isn't this being treated as a hate crime? Why isn't the perpetrators' race and religion given? This is a case of three BLACK MUSLIM males randomly beating a white student to death. Where is the outcry? Where is the non-stop news coverage? Had it been the other way around, every civil rights activist would be descending on Ohio. Read the perpetrators' alarming message on their website: http://underprivilegedjournalism.wordpress.co...
Reader

Columbus, OH

#64 Nov 27, 2009
madhungarian wrote:
Why isn't this being treated as a hate crime? Why isn't the perpetrators' race and religion given? This is a case of three BLACK MUSLIM males randomly beating a white student to death. Where is the outcry? Where is the non-stop news coverage? Had it been the other way around, every civil rights activist would be descending on Ohio. Read the perpetrators' alarming message on their website: http://underprivilegedjournalism.wordpress.co...
Someone else pointed out this site earlier and I really don't know what to make of it. It contains a whole lot of very confused rhetoric. I don't see that it claims that the perpetrators were affiliated with the website, or its owners--although I couldn't find any "about us" kind of info. I also don't see a claim that the perpetrators are Muslim.

If a hoax--a possibility that certainly ought not be dismissed--it is certainly not the first time that someone has tried to incite racial animosity on a college campus.
Yawn

Nashport, OH

#65 Nov 27, 2009
More black on white violence. An epidemic, the Jewish owned media fails to report.

"Yet, in “The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Justice in America,” produced by the “right-leaning” New Century Foundation in 2005, using the same FBI and Justice surveys, startling facts emerge:

*“Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against other blacks.” Forty-five percent of the victims of violent crime by blacks are white folks, 43 percent are black, 10 percent are Hispanic.

* Blacks are seven times as likely as people of other races to commit murder, eight times more likely to commit robbery and three times more likely to use a gun in a crime.

*“Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit violent crime against a white person than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.”(If decent black folks have trouble hailing a cab, and they do, these numbers may help explain it.)

* Black-on-white rape is 115 times more common than the reverse.

Even the two most famous sexual assaults by white men on black women in the last two decades – the Tawana Brawley and Duke rape cases – turned out to be hoaxes.

What do these statistics tell us? A message the Post will not report. The real repository of racism in America – manifest in violent interracial assault, rape and murder – is to be found not in the white community, but the African-American community. In almost all interracial attacks, whites are the victims, not the victimizers.

Why does the Post not report such statistics? My guess: Because the stats would shatter the Post’s cultivated image of America as a land where white racism is the great lurking malevolent monster. Stories that conform to the image get play. Stories that contradict it are buried.

But, if the Bush Justice Department is doing in-depth studies on black victims of crime and who is responsible, why not one on the victimization of Americans of all colors and who is responsible?

Or is that information we ought not know, and news not fit to print? "

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-the-color-of-cri...

And here's another source from the US Department of Justice:

Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Trends by race

Scroll down to the bottom at "Stranger homicides are more likely to cross racial lines than those that involve friends or acquaintances".

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.ht...

White America, WAKE UP, and stop believing the media!!!!! They are biased against you!!!!!
Reader

Columbus, OH

#66 Nov 27, 2009
Yawn wrote:
And here's another source from the US Department of Justice:
Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Trends by race
Scroll down to the bottom at "Stranger homicides are more likely to cross racial lines than those that involve friends or acquaintances".
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.ht...
White America, WAKE UP, and stop believing the media!!!!! They are biased against you!!!!!
Actually in looking at the DOJ page, the trends from 1975-2005 are remarkably static given the hysteria that you are pointing to. Just before the data on stranger homicides that you point to is an interesting point:

"Although slightly less true now than before, most murders are intraracial
From 1976 to 2005 --

86% of white victims were killed by whites
94% of black victims were killed by blacks"

I was interested though in poking around for additional data to see that the Southern Poverty Law Center, where they track such things, is aware of an uptick in anti-government, extremist and racist-type militia movements in the past year or so.
fact

Nashport, OH

#67 Nov 27, 2009
Reader:

You are not as smart as you try to portray in your comments. I just read the posted statistics and I am alarmed by them. Considering that blacks make up a small percentage of the US, the amount of crime they commit is quite shocking. Not only are they committing barbaric crimes in the US, they are doing it all over the world.

Once again, you prove your ignorance to be true. The Southern Poverty Law Center is very biased. Not only is it an organization started by jews, it is an organization that is very anti-white.

Based on your denial, argumentative disposition, and your sheer ignorance, you are either a flaming liberal, black, or a jew.
PaulMark

Hilliard, OH

#68 Nov 28, 2009
fact wrote:
Reader:
You are not as smart as you try to portray in your comments. I just read the posted statistics and I am alarmed by them. Considering that blacks make up a small percentage of the US, the amount of crime they commit is quite shocking. Not only are they committing barbaric crimes in the US, they are doing it all over the world.
Once again, you prove your ignorance to be true. The Southern Poverty Law Center is very biased. Not only is it an organization started by jews, it is an organization that is very anti-white.
Based on your denial, argumentative disposition, and your sheer ignorance, you are either a flaming liberal, black, or a jew.
Man, you right-wing conservatives crack me up. Uneducated trash.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#69 Nov 28, 2009
fact wrote:
Reader:
You are not as smart as you try to portray in your comments. I just read the posted statistics and I am alarmed by them. Considering that blacks make up a small percentage of the US, the amount of crime they commit is quite shocking. Not only are they committing barbaric crimes in the US, they are doing it all over the world.
Once again, you prove your ignorance to be true. The Southern Poverty Law Center is very biased. Not only is it an organization started by jews, it is an organization that is very anti-white.
Based on your denial, argumentative disposition, and your sheer ignorance, you are either a flaming liberal, black, or a jew.
Pat Buchanon, on the other hand is known to be fair and balanced, correct?
madhungarian

Salem, OH

#70 Nov 29, 2009
First of all, to "Reader": The SPLC is a far-left organization, originally set up to rectify injustice, but now with the mission to defame, smear, bully, and intimidate anyone who disagrees with them. They are incendiary race-baiters so anything coming fro them is blatantly biased.

To PaulMark: Typical ignorant response from a liberal who can only resort to name calling instead of factual debate.
Brian

Pittsburgh, PA

#71 Nov 29, 2009
sounds like a HATE crime to me...... ooops the attackers are black AND muslim and the victims are white and probably just christian.... no hate crime here.... move along nothing to see here folks. not saying that's what this murder was even about, however it is why this is not considered a hate crime. happens all the time. white on black, bad... very bad. black on white, no problem.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#72 Nov 30, 2009
Brian wrote:
sounds like a HATE crime to me...... ooops the attackers are black AND muslim and the victims are white and probably just christian.... no hate crime here.... move along nothing to see here folks. not saying that's what this murder was even about, however it is why this is not considered a hate crime. happens all the time. white on black, bad... very bad. black on white, no problem.
I ask again--what in this facts regarding this crime leads you to the conclusion that it is a hate crime? I will grant that there is a large open hole in the category of motivation. But what leads you to fill it in with anything related to a hate crime?

I am certainly open to that conclusion--but it requires more supportive facts than just the race of the victim and the perpetrators--as it would if the races were reversed. I am also curious about the assertion that the perpetrators are Muslim. Is this a fact, and how do you know it?
Reader

Columbus, OH

#73 Nov 30, 2009
madhungarian wrote:
First of all, to "Reader": The SPLC is a far-left organization, originally set up to rectify injustice, but now with the mission to defame, smear, bully, and intimidate anyone who disagrees with them. They are incendiary race-baiters so anything coming fro them is blatantly biased.
To PaulMark: Typical ignorant response from a liberal who can only resort to name calling instead of factual debate.
Bit of a disconnect between your first and second comments there MH. Agreed that SPLC operates left of center--but how far and whether being left is a bad thing are pretty subjective sentiments. For the rest of your summary of them, well, it appears to fall more in the category of name-calling than factual debate.
Bob

Buford, GA

#74 Nov 30, 2009
Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
I ask again--what in this facts regarding this crime leads you to the conclusion that it is a hate crime? I will grant that there is a large open hole in the category of motivation. But what leads you to fill it in with anything related to a hate crime?
I am certainly open to that conclusion--but it requires more supportive facts than just the race of the victim and the perpetrators--as it would if the races were reversed. I am also curious about the assertion that the perpetrators are Muslim. Is this a fact, and how do you know it?
Reader, Did you see the kid on the bus, I believe in Chicago, a couple of months ago that was beaten by a couple of blacks after the white kid was denied a seat by the rest of the black kids ? Did you hear about the white couple in TN that were both raped and mutilated and murdered by blacks. People see these cases with no hate crimes penalties and know that if roles were reversed, the whites would have to proove they were not hate crimes. If you saw the beating on the bus by the blacks, what other conclusion could you come to. It was orchestrated because all of the black kids denied the white kid a seat and then he was beaten, where do you stand on this beating ?
Bob

Buford, GA

#75 Nov 30, 2009
Reader wrote:
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I ask again--what in this facts regarding this crime leads you to the conclusion that it is a hate crime? I will grant that there is a large open hole in the category of motivation. But what leads you to fill it in with anything related to a hate crime?
I am certainly open to that conclusion--but it requires more supportive facts than just the race of the victim and the perpetrators--as it would if the races were reversed. I am also curious about the assertion that the perpetrators are Muslim. Is this a fact, and how do you know it?
Reader, is this hate, or are the black kids just mis-understoohttp://www.myfoxd c.com/dpp/news/091609_video_il linois_school_bus_beatingd.
Sick of the BS

Columbus, OH

#76 Nov 30, 2009
Bring out the rope boys ......lets hang em
Reader

Columbus, OH

#77 Nov 30, 2009
Bob wrote:
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Reader, Did you see the kid on the bus, I believe in Chicago, a couple of months ago that was beaten by a couple of blacks after the white kid was denied a seat by the rest of the black kids ? Did you hear about the white couple in TN that were both raped and mutilated and murdered by blacks. People see these cases with no hate crimes penalties and know that if roles were reversed, the whites would have to proove they were not hate crimes. If you saw the beating on the bus by the blacks, what other conclusion could you come to. It was orchestrated because all of the black kids denied the white kid a seat and then he was beaten, where do you stand on this beating ?
OK Bob--you have sidestepped my question, which is what is it about THIS crime that makes you think that it was a racially motivated hate crime. Would the crime still have occurred if the victim was black, but all other details remain the same? I would suggest that you don't have the information that you need to make that judgment--but if there are such details available, I would certainly like to hear them.

A word about the legal system. Anyone charged with a crime (even a hate crime) does not go to court to prove that they are not guilty. This is where the presumption of innocence comes in. The burden is on the prosecution to PROVE that at crime was committed and was committed by the person charged.

It is my understanding regarding the school bus incident that there was NOT sufficient evidence of a hate crime to add that to the charge--but I haven't really looked very closely at the case. But I must reiterate--neither all white on black crime, nor all black on white crime, qualifies as hate crime. We certainly have a history in this country of white on black hate crime--highly institutionalized at various points in time. Black on white hate crime has always been far less prevalent, that is not to say absent. There is some indication of a resurgence of hate crime (or organizations dedicated to committing hate crimes)recently, although for too short a time frame to constitute a trend.

Again, I have to ask--what is it about the details of this crime that convince you that it qualifies as a hate crime?
Bob

Buford, GA

#78 Nov 30, 2009
Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
OK Bob--you have sidestepped my question, which is what is it about THIS crime that makes you think that it was a racially motivated hate crime. Would the crime still have occurred if the victim was black, but all other details remain the same? I would suggest that you don't have the information that you need to make that judgment--but if there are such details available, I would certainly like to hear them.
A word about the legal system. Anyone charged with a crime (even a hate crime) does not go to court to prove that they are not guilty. This is where the presumption of innocence comes in. The burden is on the prosecution to PROVE that at crime was committed and was committed by the person charged.
It is my understanding regarding the school bus incident that there was NOT sufficient evidence of a hate crime to add that to the charge--but I haven't really looked very closely at the case. But I must reiterate--neither all white on black crime, nor all black on white crime, qualifies as hate crime. We certainly have a history in this country of white on black hate crime--highly institutionalized at various points in time. Black on white hate crime has always been far less prevalent, that is not to say absent. There is some indication of a resurgence of hate crime (or organizations dedicated to committing hate crimes)recently, although for too short a time frame to constitute a trend.
Again, I have to ask--what is it about the details of this crime that convince you that it qualifies as a hate crime?
One, based on past cases, it's a hate crime. The kids on the bus that refused the seat were acting in concert, it was planned. You can claim the high road here but if it were whites denying a seat on the bus then beating a black, it would be a hate crime. At the very least, it was a hateful act and premeditated.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#79 Nov 30, 2009
Bob wrote:
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One, based on past cases, it's a hate crime. The kids on the bus that refused the seat were acting in concert, it was planned. You can claim the high road here but if it were whites denying a seat on the bus then beating a black, it would be a hate crime. At the very least, it was a hateful act and premeditated.
I am not here to dispute the court findings with regard to the school bus assault and the motives behind it. And "based on past cases," which I think that you were using to support your belief that the KSU killing is a hate crime, is pretty vague. What cases--and in what ways is this one similar?
Tom

United States

#80 Dec 1, 2009
My God, you are arguing about ironies. What about the kid that was beat to death? What about the punks that did it? What about the familes of all involved that have been forever changed?
I am a police officer and if more parents would do their job, raise their children to respect, teach their children to respect, respect life, respect others, respect themselves.
Stories like the one I read in Kent would not be happening.
Kyle

Columbus, OH

#82 Dec 15, 2009
Duke wrote:
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And I can introduce you to some college educated folks that will remind your fifth grade friends that a simile is a type of metaphor. I love when ignorant people try to be smart. It's like watching kittens with a ball of yarn... always good for a laugh.
Nope, sorry, you're wrong. Both of them are figures of speech, but one is not a type of the other.

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