Schools must get grip on campus discipline

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Jul 18, 2011
 
Why play games with these brats? Paddle their asses until they have blisters, or don't allow them on campus at all. Their parents can deal with their dumb asses until their 18. It ain't like they'll grow up to be president of a foreign country or something. Halawa has lots of room for them.

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Jul 18, 2011
 
Just a note: I typed "they're, TOPIX changed it to "their."

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Why play games with these brats? Paddle their asses until they have blisters, or don't allow them on campus at all. Their parents can deal with their dumb asses until their 18. It ain't like they'll grow up to be president of a foreign country or something. Halawa has lots of room for them.
How about duct tape their heads to a tree?
Oh, that didn't turn out so good for that principal in upcountry Maui. lol (well, he wasn't laughing- lol)
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Jul 18, 2011
 
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There IS a procedure. It is called Chapter 19. The problem is uneven enforcement from school to school, even from one classroom to another in the same school. Compound that with weak principals at many schools who refuse to back up their teachers and what you get is uneven bedlam where kids who raise hell in one class will try to do it in every class unless a teacher is particularly effective in the all important skill called classroom management.
Administrators claim that there is a disciplinary procedure called Chapter 19 and no principal(5 that I worked under) was able to carry out discipline effectively. Each one interpreted the procedures differently and eventually directed you as the teacher to handle the case yourself. Back to square one. Conclusion. There is no effective disciplinary procedure in our School System.

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Jul 18, 2011
 
This isn't rocket science. Just do it like they did in the fifties and it will work as well now as it did then. A well-deserved paddling never hurt anyone. Any "progressives" that don't like it, home-school your own kids, and stop using school as your baby-sitter.
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Jul 18, 2011
 
Every principal in our school system will handle or not handle disciplinary problems in our schools. The bottom line is that principals do not support the teacher. Therefore, you can conclude that there is no disciplinary procedures that are effectively carried out in our schools.

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Jul 18, 2011
 
We feared our vice-principal. Fear=respect. He hung his paddle on the wall in the hallway outside his office door so all could see it. No-one dared touch it that I ever heard of. No-one even talked when they walked by his office either. He only blistered a few behinds that I ever heard of, but he got his point across. And no sissy parents complained in those day, you took your medicine.
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Jul 19, 2011
 
Joe Balls wrote:
This isn't rocket science. Just do it like they did in the fifties and it will work as well now as it did then. A well-deserved paddling never hurt anyone. Any "progressives" that don't like it, home-school your own kids, and stop using school as your baby-sitter.
But back in the 1950's we were not plagued with pampered spoiled cry baby boomers anxious and eager to pay some lawyer to get a judge to award the sainted title of "victim" on the whining, the immature, the entitled cohort whose members refused to grow up.

These day speaking harshly to a misbehaving student, let alone administering a few licks with a paddle, can easily accelerate so "misguided" a teacher into the dock as a defendant.

Once students and their parents decided to lawyer up at the drop of a hat, classroom discipline was dealt a severe blow.

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But back in the 1950's we were not plagued with pampered spoiled cry baby boomers anxious and eager to pay some lawyer to get a judge to award the sainted title of "victim" on the whining, the immature, the entitled cohort whose members refused to grow up.
These day speaking harshly to a misbehaving student, let alone administering a few licks with a paddle, can easily accelerate so "misguided" a teacher into the dock as a defendant.
Once students and their parents decided to lawyer up at the drop of a hat, classroom discipline was dealt a severe blow.

Oh, they had democrats in those days too, they just weren't the sissified pothead liberals that are around today.

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Aug 10, 2012
 
More wasted money. Hawaii is giving away $500,000 so the preschools can study why the kids aren't learning and to point out their weaknesses. I say, GO BACK TO WHAT WORKED IN TH PAST and save the money. JERKS!
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#74
Aug 10, 2012
 
The very root of this problem, is what is the basis for Gods instruction of "Spare the rod and spoil the child" A child until young adult years need instructions and moral absolutes. A spoiled child does his own will. Unfortunately we live in an age, where our original morals that were based in God are mocked. If you look around our human wisdom and educated guesses to not disciplined our children has failed miserably. Just look at the self-centered men who post here, No God and No respect for anyone, no wonder our youth are violent and self-centered. Just like the Old book said "In the End times Men will be livers of them selves, prone to violence and Mockers of God!
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Aug 10, 2012
 
There is no effective procedure in our public schools to handle disruptive students. Our appointed school board is doing nothing to correct this problem.

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There is no effective procedure in our public schools to handle disruptive students. Our appointed school board is doing nothing to correct this problem.
And giving them $500,000 dollars to "study" the problem helps nothing. The real solution is right in front of them, but political correctness dictates they won't solve a thing.
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<quoted text> And giving them $500,000 dollars to "study" the problem helps nothing. The real solution is right in front of them, but political correctness dictates they won't solve a thing.
You are absolutely correct. The appointed board is back to closing schools, curtail the bus program, increase lunch prices, etc. Meanwhile the 10 Assist. Superintendents,7 District Superintendents, 14 Deputy Superintendents and 35 Complex Superintendents re languishing in their air conditioned offices shooting the bull about anything else but education.
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Delinquents need a good asskicking
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#79
Aug 11, 2012
 
OK.

Here's where it is at. It is hard for a child to learn the proper way to behave in school when her mother has a one-inch high forehead, needs a shave, and walks forward on huge calloused hairy knuckles in order to drop our well-equipped internet-ready, law-suit prospecting photo-taking charming Miss Contessa off on the Farrington Highway so that she can be strapped in by two bruisers (1st cousins) riding shotgun in the little yellow school bus on her way to graduating and going to the Fashion Institute of Technology as a voice for Down's syndrome conduct disorders with a scholarship to boot and SOON TO BE FAMOUS!!!!!

I mean...you did pay more.
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<quoted text> You are absolutely correct. The appointed board is back to closing schools, curtail the bus program, increase lunch prices, etc. Meanwhile the 10 Assist. Superintendents,7 District Superintendents, 14 Deputy Superintendents and 35 Complex Superintendents re languishing in their air conditioned offices shooting the bull about anything else but education.
All these Superintendents are drawing a salary in excess of $100,000. Forgot to include our do nothing Superintendent who draws a salary of $150,000. What a waste of our taxes.
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<quoted text> All these Superintendents are drawing a salary in excess of $100,000. Forgot to include our do nothing Superintendent who draws a salary of $150,000. What a waste of our taxes.

All the money is spent on the top. Discipline which is lacking in our public schools does not cost any extra dollars. Just carry out the disciplinary procedure but the appointed board will not enforce it. Our own Superintendent is too weak to handle the disruptive students.

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Nov 5, 2012
 
One of my relatives teaches eighth grade in a local school. He's retiring next year. He blames the parents and I give him hell about it. He says the parents of today are a bunch of pot-smoking idiots just looking for a chance to sue the state and the DOE NEVER backs up a teacher. He won't even meet with parents unless he has a witness. They'll throw you to the dogs.
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Education is not a right, it is a priveledge. Delinquents who are repeat offenders should be removed from campus, put on an orange vest, and pick up rubbish on the highways. School is going to do nothing for them anyway, may as well remove them from the learning environment altogether. Schools do not "need to get a grip on campus discipline," that is not the purpose of a school.

Also, every DOE employee who does not report TO A SCHOOL CAMPUS every day needs to be laid off, and their offices closed and sold. THEY ARE USELESS. With the money saved on salaries, pensions, medical, facilities, etc- teachers' salaries could be increased which could lift the current requirement for the job to more than simply having a pulse, thereby attracting a larger pool of candidates to choose from.

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