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Bed-and-breakfast bill advances in Council - Hawaii News

There are 72 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Sep 23, 2009, titled Bed-and-breakfast bill advances in Council - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Twenty years after the City Council capped the number of bed-and-breakfasts on Oahu, the issue remains divisive in the community as the current Council considers whether to ease those restrictions.

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enufalready

Wailuku, HI

#1 Sep 23, 2009
There is an underlying irony to this contentious matter. Regardless of whether or not one supports any modification of the rules regulating transient rentals to tourists, it is indisputable that many hundreds of property owners have been willing to break the law for their own profit. They are "scofflaws," who now boldly attend hearings to influence the legislative process and present themselves as good citizens who are somehow being wronged.

The property owners who are already lawbreakers are asking for their current criminal behavior to be legitimized. What confidence can neighbors have that the scofflaws will not violate any new regulations designed to limit additional commercial activities that might appeal to the lawbreakers? How can we trust that expanded transient rentals will be any better monitored than in the past by a government that was unable to investigate and shut down offenders despite daring advertising, promotion, and marketing on the internet.

People wishing to live peacefully in their homes in residential neighborhoods deserve that their rights be respected and that scofflaws, interlopers, and profiteers not be rewarded for their astonishing disrespect for civility.
96795east

Kihei, HI

#2 Sep 23, 2009
It only follows that neighbors may operate barber & hair dressing shops. Other neighbors may offer competitive hot meals during the lunch & dinner hours. Still others may offer favorite beers with ukulele music w/garage karaoke. Those who sew may offer designer/aloha pillow cases, shirts, muumuu. Philipino, Vietnamese, Hawaiian, Japanese, Samoan families may offer favorite cooking.
96795east

Kihei, HI

#3 Sep 23, 2009
Remember Harrison Mew? He wanted to also offer rentals to a very specific type of clientelle. Had he succeeded, He could have also started a business catering to the visitor.
swannie

Ocean View, HI

#4 Sep 23, 2009
I could fire up my backyard pottery factory with old auto tires, or start raising pigs or run a shooting range. If you've been to a third world country you have seen the result when zoning laws cease to be enforced. It is not pretty or any way to live in peace and quiet when local government surrenders to the almighty dollar.
Getrealforeal

Aurora, CO

#5 Sep 23, 2009
How about I open a grinding shop right next door to your house? Maybe I don't care about B & B's, but I want to run another commercial business out of my house. I promise, I will only angle-grind from 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM, to make sure that the granite counter-tops are beautiful and smooth. Then I will lean them against your fences to be offered and sold to dozens of people coming over to my house to check them out daily. These customers will park in front of your driveways, smoke and talk loud into your bedroom windows. Maybe I will throw a party late at night for them. You like? Oh, the dust won't be a problem. No worries! The trade winds will carry the dangerous silica dust over to the other neighbors. Maybe end up in swimming pools, so it poses no air pollution issues....You get it? You open up to one commercial neighborhood enterprise, with traffic and extra noise, you must allow others, as well. Can't discriminate. We must keep residential, residential first. You can always rent a room, or a mother-in-law addition to a nice tenant long-term, if you have to. That's fine. But the "come and go every few days" tourist stuff MUST stop NOW! I pau now!
Metoolocal

Aurora, CO

#6 Sep 23, 2009
Getrealforeal really makes this clear. Thank you!!! Open it up to one enterprise, one must open it up to others. Hey, "I promise to be quiet!" Sure! Why not have renters in these additions? Less rent each day, but long-term income and legal, too. It's just about gouging visitors, I suppose.$300 a night,$500 a night,$5,000 a week, or more is easier. If you need this income in order to be able to keep your home, then you bought too much home, given your means. Get out! Buy lower-with less stress. My home next to that fancy B & B loses value with this going on all the time. Traffic, noise, parked cars everywhere and more nonsense. No thanks! I bought residential for a reason. Don't care to live in or own a hotel, or live next to one. Understand! Vote it down now. All of these whiners could find a good long-term tenant for reasonable, but steady rental income and pay tax on that. No hardship here. Keep residential residential!!!!
Shabai DaKine

Kaneohe, HI

#7 Sep 23, 2009
If the council members want to open up the entire island to transient accommodations it is only reasonable that everyone in the neighborhood should be able to benefit and "dip their beak" in the honey.

Here are some additional home businesses the neighbors can add to the growing list already mentioned to help make the tourists get the full Aloha experience in your local neighborhood:

Home made hand crafted shave ice sales, neighborhood hiking tours, water-sport lessons and rentals including surfing, kayaking, body boarding and outrigger canoeing, auto motorcycle and scooter rentals, sailboat rides, fishing lessons and equipment rentals, scuba and snorkel tours and rentals, lei making lessons and sales, photo and video services, hula lessons, wedding planning, ministry, music, transportation and valet service, beach party equipment rentals, including tents, tiki torches, beach chair and umbrella rentals and setup services, beach picnic basket food and beverage services, mini beach luaus, bicycle rentals, arts and crafts lessons and sales, adult entertainment services, and many additional island style "experiences" that, I am sure, the good readers will think of.
Tommy

Paia, HI

#8 Sep 23, 2009
I don't know what this Angie Larson is smoking, but the majority of residents don't need to be swayed. I have never ever met anyone who has said they wish they had B&B's next to them. It's wrong to be forcing neighbors to live next to B&B's if they don't want to!
Makes Sense

Makawao, HI

#9 Sep 23, 2009
There is one legal business that can be operated in a residential area. It is leasing or renting property for residential use.

Leasing and renting property is legal. It is the capstone of the capitalistic system. Owners purchasing real estate and lease it for residential use. People invest in real estate as do corporations and developers. Totally legal. The number of days that one leases or rents his property is nobodies business. Some like short term rentals(10-12 days) other like 1 year lease agreements.

The amount of time that you lease you property is nobodies business. There are no beroom police in America.

Lastly, the only leagal business you can operate in a residential zone is to lease or rent your property. Don't give the government power to walk into you bedrooms.

Lastly, this practice of red lining was used effectively to discriminate against minorities moving into all white district. I think the Supreme court had something to say about that.

Stay out of people bedrooms.
SHELTER

Honolulu, HI

#10 Sep 23, 2009
What about the houseless? They need a place to live. Rent these landlord investment properties to someone that needs a place to live. Too many of these landlord investment properties are sitting empty. These landlord investors need to take care of the people here in Hawaii.
halemalu

Kaunakakai, HI

#11 Sep 23, 2009
approving b&bs can mean the difference between an old couple being able to stay in their home or not, between parents being able to send a child for higher education or not, between someone being able to have a life-saving operation or not.
actually a little b&b, up to 3 rooms, is less "threatening" to the peace of a neighborhood than a rooming house.
Going to the dogs

Hauula, HI

#12 Sep 23, 2009
It says B%B must provide on-site parking? What about the owners? Can they park off-site and be a nuisance?

If there are rules, there must be penalties.

What can a neighbor do if the B&B neighbor is from hell?

AGAIN, is the city going to be able to regulate?

Our home is the last place of refuge.Take that away from us and will be become a more agitated society?

Plenty questions. But one thing for sure, Oahu is going to the dogs.
Getrealforeal

Aurora, CO

#13 Sep 23, 2009
Renting or leasing long-term is fine with most people. The renter is typically (I would do that) pre-qualified with credit check, back-ground check and must have (local) references. A renter eventually fits in with the neighborhood. A B & B visitor is anyone willing to pay what it costs to stay for a few days, or a week. That's all anyone will know about them. No back-ground checks, no scrutiny, except maybe a credit card to put the charge on. This could be a fugitive (with money), a criminal (with money) in town for a drug deal or anyone else undesired. Great cover. Once B & B owners get paid up-front the rest is not so important to them. Do you guys want to be next to that? Keep those folks in hotel rooms in Waikiki. I know, most people are good, but we never know. I have compassion for why some home owners want to have a B & B. Still, if that's the only reason you can still stay in that home and afford it, then you have a problem. So, if you can't rent out your attached B & B for a while, you lose the house? Not! Go and get a pre-qualified, long-term renter. You may not be able to gouge them as much, but it's steady income anyway and that person typically gets vested in the local community with a job, friends, shopping in the neighborhood, etc. You still must pay excise tax on that rental income, so the local government wins. More rentals are needed anyway, from what I hear. A B & B visitor is not vested like a long-term renter in the community. It is like operating a hotel where strangers and cars come and go as they please. All it takes is their money to pay for often expensive B & B rentals. Sorry, I am against having B & B's next to my house, or in my neighborhood. It adds traffic, noise, inconsistency to the neighborhood. It also lowers the value of all our homes. When buying a house most people check out their neighborhood carefully these days (location x 3)and any "mini-hotel" next door is a turn-off and can cancel the sale. Wake up, people!
North Shore Mike

Kosice, Slovakia

#14 Sep 23, 2009
I love having B and Bs next to me because before all I had was loads of noisy boozing kids in rooming houses next to me.

Our neighborhood has become a much more peaceful place since B and Bs came is. Regulate them Yes
but dont ban them I dont want the rooming houses
back.

Also, there are loads of internet businesses operating from houses nearby... noisy businesses
are easy to regulate under existing laws so whats all this nonsense about tire burning and smoke making
what are you smoking...eh
BBlover

Lake Forest, CA

#15 Sep 23, 2009
This just bad timing.
Waikiki is now cheaper than most B&Bs in Windward.

Need more Luau in them backyards instead.
What the

Paia, HI

#16 Sep 23, 2009
Got to love the guy at the hearing yesterday who said if you don't want a B&B business next door to you - then locals (who happen to be residents in a residential zone - go figure) can just move.....ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....the irony. NO more residents in residential zones - just hotels. Got to love it.
Wildman

Honolulu, HI

#17 Sep 23, 2009
haole against haole....lol. they already turned kailua into a waikiki...why not a B and B mini hotels...then we can call it..little waikiki..LOL!
Kimo

Honolulu, HI

#18 Sep 23, 2009
Are you on drugs? Operating a mini-hotel in a residential neighborhood is not the same as a long-term rental. Quit the "I can do whatever I want" attitude and go back to the mainland where you belong.
Makes Sense wrote:
There is one legal business that can be operated in a residential area. It is leasing or renting property for residential use.
Leasing and renting property is legal. It is the capstone of the capitalistic system. Owners purchasing real estate and lease it for residential use. People invest in real estate as do corporations and developers. Totally legal. The number of days that one leases or rents his property is nobodies business. Some like short term rentals(10-12 days) other like 1 year lease agreements.
The amount of time that you lease you property is nobodies business. There are no beroom police in America.
Lastly, the only leagal business you can operate in a residential zone is to lease or rent your property. Don't give the government power to walk into you bedrooms.
Lastly, this practice of red lining was used effectively to discriminate against minorities moving into all white district. I think the Supreme court had something to say about that.
Stay out of people bedrooms.
doi

Aiea, HI

#19 Sep 23, 2009
I plan on renting a B&B in Kailua for a couple of days, make as much noise as possible and build a nice big temporary sign in the front yard just to annoy the tree huggers
B Real

Honolulu, HI

#20 Sep 23, 2009
If they can guarantee that Bed and Breakfasts will not be owned by out of state speculators and won't take housing away from local families and won't drive real estate prices even higher, than they should allow them.

But they can't. B and Bs do all of the above and commercialize residential neighborhoods.

Say NO to new Bed and Breakfasts, and fine the crap out of all the illegal ones!

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