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Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#42 Feb 23, 2013
Note the small "MT" on her blouse for Michele Torr.(smiley face icon here)
Friend of Bill

United States

#43 Feb 23, 2013
We are the idiots? LOLOLOL when is the last time your "dry drunk" helped you in real life!? Some of us friends started drinking as children and never learned how to "grow up" or even why we should! AA does know and will help even the hahalol how u say, "driest of drunks" just like you! Being free from alcohol is just one little bit. The rest is learning and growing. Treating ALL with respect which you so clearly lack with your interesting statement that "you are better than everyone" can you say childish? Grow up and recognize. Thank you Bill & Dr. Bob
Friend of Bill

United States

#44 Feb 24, 2013
Hey there Bruce? I am sad tbat after all this time, you not only find your bulk of your entertainment watching quite old but classic movies and reading and re-reading (5 and more times) books from college AND don't even realize or understand why Working The Steps is a lifelong process. You obviously do not tire from reading the same rote books or the same old movies. The Secrets are in the bookS at AA and the people. KEEP READING, LISTENING TO, AND WATCHING what is in the PRESENT and past......keep reading ALL literature

Sad for Bruce in Whatcom County awwww.
Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#45 Feb 24, 2013
"Friend of Bill", where does all that personal criticism come from? Books from college? I don't read books from college. The "same rote books or the same old movies"? Sounds like ad hominem.

Re: working the steps "is a lifelong process". Well, yes, of course, however:

Having *had* a spiritual awakening as a *result* of these steps....we thence commenced to force newcomers to get on their knees and turn their lives and their wills over to God. Wait--it doesn't come right out and say it that way, but that's what Dr. Bob and the early members did--in between holding seances and spook sessions, dropping acid (not Dr. Bob just Bill W., his wife Lois, Father Dowling, and others), committing adultery (allegedly--Bill W.), buying their spouse expensive mink coats and jewelry (Dr. Bob), etc., etc.

Love and tolerance of others is the code of Alcoholics Anonymous. Your post doesn't sound very loving or tolerant--it ridicules me for bringing up criticism of AA; criticism of which AA itself states can be good for AA if considered maturely.
Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#46 Feb 24, 2013
Btw, "Friend of Bill W.", I'm not sure who your post #43 comment is directed to.
Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#47 Feb 24, 2013
Also, "Friend of Bill":

"If you want what we have and are willing to go to any length to get it"--not, "If you want what we are getting gradually over a lifetime of working the steps".

It's that "what we have" that's held over the head of the newcomer in a controlling and manipulative fashion in various AA rooms across the globe. Not by all AA members or attendees, thank goodness. But far too many, oftentimes under the guise of "tough love".
Chris Deile

Tucson, AZ

#48 Feb 24, 2013
Okay "Friend of Bill"--I see where you were coming from. Just re-read some of this thread and I give mention of Dostoyevsky's 'Notes From Underground', etc. Still though....
Chris Deile

Tucson, AZ

#49 Feb 24, 2013
Also..wrote earlier I'm also not an absolutist (when referring to Reinhold Niebuhr in one of the posts above). But a better way to explain it is I may be absolutist in theory but not in actuality.
Chris Deile

Tucson, AZ

#50 Feb 24, 2013
Just in case anyone was holding their breath waiting for that last clarification.
Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#51 Feb 25, 2013
Last three Posts here are under my first name Chris (middle name is Bruce) as I've been posting under first name on other thread about the bear attack in 1996. A little confusing, but needed to post by first name on that thread as the Anchorage Daily News article describing the attack goes by my first name and if anyone were to search the story they would see "Chris Deile", not Bruce Deile. Why I continued on with it here on this thread unsure.
Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#52 Feb 26, 2013
Interesting. Hadn't viewed Krystyna Konarska in maybe 3 or 4 years or so, did so today and enjoyed again two of her videos:

"Przyjdzie po mnie ktos (Sopot1966)"

video by altero1960

and "L'amour a besoin d'amour"

video by baltena4

....searched her on Wiki and Google, read a rough translation of a biography, and turns out Krystyna Konarska had moved to Fairbanks, Alaska to live (for about 7 years?) but now lives in Germany.
Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#53 Feb 27, 2013
Had clumsily referred earlier to the following as part of AA's preamble, but it's from "How it Works" (both read aloud at start of AA meeetings--note the absolutism and compare again to Serenity Prayer's author Reinhold Niebuhr's comments in NY Times article "Forgetting Reinhold Niebuhr" where he dsescribes himself relativist):

Our stories disclose in a general way what we used to be like, what happened, and what we are like now. If you have decided that you want what we have and are willing to go to any length to get it - then you are ready to take certain steps.

At some of these we balked. We thought that we could find an easier, softer way. But we could not. With all earnestness at our command, we beg of you to be fearless and thorough from the very start. Some of us have tried to hold on to our old ideas and the result was nil until we let go absolutely.

Remember that we deal with alcohol - cunning, baffling, powerful! Without help it is too much for us. But there is One who has all power - that One is God. May you find him now.

Half measures availed us nothing. We stood at the turning point. We asked His protection and care with complete abandon.

Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery:
Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#54 Feb 27, 2013
This is very funny....found it years ago when viewing Krystyna Konarska on YouTube:

Katarzyna Sobczyk

"Biedroneczki (Sopot 1964)"

video by altero1960
Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#55 Feb 28, 2013
Just found this version--very enjoyable:

Dalida--Bambino [1967 Live TV] Reworked

video by PTVictor
Bruce Deile

Tucson, AZ

#56 Mar 10, 2013
Love how about 3/4's the way through the video (YouTube search: "Marcella Bella Sanremo Montagne Verdi Audio") you can see the women backup singers begin smiling as they're singing. As though they are naturally enjoying the performance. Tremendous video--been viewing it almost daily, sometimes numerous times, for about the past month or so.

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