Who will accept gay marriage and who won't

Jan 29, 2012 | Posted by: Gay And Proud | Full story: heraldnet.com

If same-sex marriage is approved, churches and businesses must decide if they will welcome gay couples.

Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen's pastor applauded her decision this week to support legalizing marriage for same-sex couples.

But even if the law changes, Pastor Daniel Sailer won't be performing weddings any time soon at Stanwood United Methodist Church where Haugen worships.

Not because he doesn't want to do them. To the contrary, he does, but church rules bar him from doing so.

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Hahaha the old "I take no personal responsibility because I can't control with whom I sleep tactic." Aren't you going to include the part about having no more control than the monkeys in the trees and the donkey in the barn yard? That is always good for laughs
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Put your money where your mouth is. If your sexual orientation is truly a choice, it should be easy for you to prove it by choosing homosexuality just to demonstrate the choice to all of us.
Or perhaps you are lying about being heterosexual and are actually bisexual. Bisexuals are the only ones who truly can choose between romantic partners of either gender and find both satisfying. People who are authentic heterosexuals or homosexuals just don't have the wiring to focus their romantic feelings on the gender they don't find appealing.
Bigotry, though, is 100% chosen!

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Hahaha the old "I take no personal responsibility because I can't control with whom I sleep tactic." Aren't you going to include the part about having no more control than the monkeys in the trees and the donkey in the barn yard? That is always good for laughs
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Maybe that's a problem for people with poor self control and even poorer self image. For most people, however, they have plenty of control over choosing who specifically they sleep with. What is relevant to this debate, which you of course purposefully confuse, is that people who are heterosexual and people who are homosexual don't have a choice about which gender they find themselves sexually attracted to.(Bisexuals are the only ones with any sort of choice since they are attracted to both genders.)

It boggles my mind that the people who yell the loudest about reducing government interference are the same people who insist on interfering in the personal lives of other consenting adults.

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That isn't necessarily true because there are new things coming out on sexual fluidity every day. Things are never black and white even though you would have people believe they are
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Maybe that's a problem for people with poor self control and even poorer self image. For most people, however, they have plenty of control over choosing who specifically they sleep with. What is relevant to this debate, which you of course purposefully confuse, is that people who are heterosexual and people who are homosexual don't have a choice about which gender they find themselves sexually attracted to.(Bisexuals are the only ones with any sort of choice since they are attracted to both genders.)
It boggles my mind that the people who yell the loudest about reducing government interference are the same people who insist on interfering in the personal lives of other consenting adults.

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Hahaha the old "I take no personal responsibility because I can't control with whom I sleep tactic." Aren't you going to include the part about having no more control than the monkeys in the trees and the donkey in the barn yard? That is always good for laughs
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What a canard!

of COURSE we choose who we sleep with. We do NOT choose who we are attracted to. You don't either.

And why should we? Because it bothers YOU?

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That isn't necessarily true because there are new things coming out on sexual fluidity every day. Things are never black and white even though you would have people believe they are
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Then why on Earth are you constantly pushing for idiotic black-and-white positions, such as the position that heterosexual = good and legal, and anything that isn't heterosexual should be illegal or at least treated as second class and suspect?

Homophobes make NO SENSE!

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So you are now changing your tune? Good for you
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Then why on Earth are you constantly pushing for idiotic black-and-white positions, such as the position that heterosexual = good and legal, and anything that isn't heterosexual should be illegal or at least treated as second class and suspect?
Homophobes make NO SENSE!

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So you don't sleep with someone you are attracted to?
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What a canard!
of COURSE we choose who we sleep with. We do NOT choose who we are attracted to. You don't either.
And why should we? Because it bothers YOU?

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No, I choose to be Heterosexual. Good Day to you.
Do you remember the day you made such a powerful life choice?

Most gays and lesbians can tell other people when they first began the coming out process but none of us have yet met a heterosexual who can tell us how old they were when they made the decision to be heterosexual. Such a major decision should be pretty easy for anyone to remember.

But you really didn't "CHOOSE" did you?
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Then why on Earth are you constantly pushing for idiotic black-and-white positions, such as the position that heterosexual = good and legal, and anything that isn't heterosexual should be illegal or at least treated as second class and suspect?
Homophobes make NO SENSE!
Canada used to be a great country, untill they turned gay. Eyh

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Then why on Earth are you constantly pushing for idiotic black-and-white positions, such as the position that heterosexual = good and legal, and anything that isn't heterosexual should be illegal or at least treated as second class and suspect?
Homophobes make NO SENSE!
I agree with you. Dishonest MabeL isn't worth the time or trouble responding to.

He'll evade and distort, dodge and weave, and continue to relish being the fly in the ointment.

BTW "snyper" sent me a link to a great column. I think you'll like it as well.

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage. By Mark Osler
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/19/my-t...

"I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise."

(Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I've posted this column in the Religion Forum on TOPIX and hope many will join the discussion there.)

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Canada used to be a great country, untill they turned gay. Eyh
Strangely enough, the Canadian economy has been doing just fine since they instituted marriage equality. It's the US economy that needs to have its spark plugs cleaned. And what's gumming up the engine? A whole bunch of fanatics pursuing nineteenth century social policies instead of working for a better future.

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<quoted text>I agree with you. Dishonest MabeL isn't worth the time or trouble responding to.
He'll evade and distort, dodge and weave, and continue to relish being the fly in the ointment.
BTW "snyper" sent me a link to a great column. I think you'll like it as well.
My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage. By Mark Osler
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/19/my-t...
"I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.
What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.
A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.
During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.
After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old
Testament.
Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).
His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be
baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these
people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise."
(Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I've posted this column in the Religion Forum on TOPIX and hope many will join the discussion there.)
There is much historical speculation on jesus' life.
One train of thought is Peter and several disciples were actually homosexual. Peter was very vocal in his beliefs as you stated. Jesus preached love. Love thou fellow man. Peter loved Jesus dearly.
Peter had a great disdain for women. He did not care for them and found them inferior.
He had an even greater dislike for Mary Magdelan whom spread jesus' word fearlessly and was jesus' "wife". When Jesus would preach love, he would often kiss Mary on the lips. Peter would be filled with hatred towards Mary.
All these things are speculation by so called authorities.
I'm not saying you're wrong nor I'm right. Here's some interesting reading.

The Templar Revalation(Secret Gaurdians of the True Identity of Christ)----Picknett and Prince

Jesus himself would be a better model for sexual enlightenment. There is much evidence he was Egyptian.

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Canada used to be a great country, until they turned gay. Eyh
True but now it's FABULOUS!

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All of them because it is normal and natural to be inaccordance with ones gender.
Gender and sexual orientation are completely unrelated you fool. And NO doctor declares a baby's sexual orientation at the time of birth. NOT ONE. But don't let facts get in the way of your idiocy.

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Well who you describe above are Bi-sexual.
NO, they aren't. I was describing gay and straight people. If I had been describing bisexuals I would have used that term. I didn't, because that is NOT who I was discussing. Damn you are slow.
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They choose either gender to engage in their sex behaviors.
CHOOSING a gender to have sex with has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT GENDER ONE IS INATELY ATTRACTED TO. Seriuosly, do you often throw yourself into conversations when you obviously no nothing about the subject matter? Seems odd.
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Why would someone have sex with someone they were not attracted too?
Gays have done it for years, so they can maintain fake lives to impress asshats like yourself. Fortunately those days are dimishing as the stimatizim previously associated with homosexuality is being eroded away and most parents now no longer see having a gay child as an issue.

Straight men and women have done it for years, when confined in prison systems.

Young adults have done it for years, especially those up for experimenting with their sexuality.

Any other stupid questions?

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Sexual orientation is a choice.
1) So what if it were?
2) Prove it.
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Marriage is between a man and a woman.
It's also between a woman and a woman, or a man and a man. Has been for over a decade now. Not a damn thing you can do about it.

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Gender and sexual orientation are completely unrelated you fool. And NO doctor declares a baby's sexual orientation at the time of birth. NOT ONE. But don't let facts get in the way of your idiocy.
At least lalala picked the right screen name!

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1) So what if it were?
2) Prove it.
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It's also between a woman and a woman, or a man and a man. Has been for over a decade now. Not a damn thing you can do about it.
I've been trying to get people to understand that Same Sex Marriage has been around since they passed the Federal Defense of Marriage Act. Even longer.

Some people just can't grasp that Congress passed a Federal Law back in the 90's that now allows Same Sex Marriage!

These fundies are so hysterically clueless.

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So you don't sleep with someone you are attracted to?
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Frequently.

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