Tax Rates up , Taxes Not?

Tax Rates up , Taxes Not?

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Everett Buzz

Haverhill, MA

#1 Nov 12, 2009
Yesterdays Independent reported the logic of Everett's tax ratios and actual taxes. The conclusion was that although rates are up taxes are not. Not true.
The article quoted various politicians citing commercial rates as the major factor. They need to get their information straight before they get behind a mic. Everyone I know who ownes commercial property in Everett has told me that at the beginning of '09 their taxes went up anywhere from 30- 50%!! The appraised values went up in '08 as did the tax rate on commercial property.
It seems that in Everett for the past two years commercial property values have skyrocketted. Someone should explain this phenomena to the rest of the country. Everett commercial property , apparently, is the only place in the nation that you could have made money on commercial property according to city officials since 2007.
Unfortunatley, they are officially wrong!
thenoseknows

Medford, MA

#2 Nov 12, 2009
you are correct sir.i own commercial property in everett. last year i filed for an abatement. in 05 my taxes were $5600.00...they are now $9800.00...but back to the abatement, the person from city hall came out , looked at the property, then called me in a week or so and told me that the value of my property had gone up as the rate had also gone up, so i had a double whammy.
the value of the property had gone up?in everett? my property is worth more now than it was in 2007? i think not sir. do i own commercial property in the only city in the entire country that the value went up? he looked me right in the face and said, yes it did your property is worth more, so there will be no abatement...as soon as i can, let me reword that..as soon as my property is worth what i own on it, since it is down around 30-40%...i'm out of everett.for good
Everett Buzz

Haverhill, MA

#3 Nov 12, 2009
Everett politics is the State government's mini-me. Liberal taxaholics with no clue how to run a government, or any entity for that matter, without being extortionists.
A property that is now valued at $500k was valued at probably $350K-$400K two years ago. Two years ago the tax rate was less than it is now . Todays paper announced (10 days after the city elections per chance) the increase of commercial rates up to $37.01 per thousand (Malden pays app.$18 for mixed purpose). Based on these figueres a property that was paying app.$7 -$9k two years ago will be paying $18,500 this year in taxes.

So , according to the city leaders, property values have leaped 30% since '07 and the rate on that ficitious increase has jumped as well to accomodate the lack of ideas and leadership in the Mike Brady styled designed building on Broadway.
Soon enough Everett will look like Chelsea in the 1980's. Prepare for vacancy signs and boarded up windows on every main street in the City. With any luck the first building to shut down will be 484 Broadway.
It's time for tea!

Since: Apr 08

AOL

#4 Nov 13, 2009
When are we all going to get together in this city and VOTE OUT the mayor who is raising our taxes and reducing city services. Incredible !!!!!
Everett Buzz

Haverhill, MA

#5 Nov 13, 2009
No hope in Everett wrote:
When are we all going to get together in this city and VOTE OUT the mayor who is raising our taxes and reducing city services. Incredible !!!!!
He ran uncontested, and a week after the elections the news of tax increases is announced.

The fact that only 3 people are involved in this discussion here speaks volumes to why the city is in this position to begin with.

Everett politicans are nothing more than people who like seeing themslves on tv and in the paper, but lack any sufficient knowledge on problem solving or proactive planning forward for future prosperity and security for the people.

One look at the political landscape in Everett and the future doesn't look very promising.
Everett Buzz

Haverhill, MA

#6 Nov 13, 2009
No hope in Everett wrote:
When are we all going to get together in this city and VOTE OUT the mayor who is raising our taxes and reducing city services. Incredible !!!!!
It's not just the mayor. It's every Alderman and Councilman who has voted for tax increases since the recession began. Any tax increase is nothing more than an alternative to fiscal responsibility and an assault on the personal well-being of the population of the City.
Voter

Medford, MA

#7 Nov 14, 2009
It is also every fee and fine that has increased too. This all is a form of taxation. Instead of finding ways to cut spending they keep passing the increased cost on to taxpayers. I don't know about the rest of you but this well is going dry.
A Saucerful of Secrets

Everett, MA

#8 Nov 14, 2009
You people must be nuts not to think that taxes wont go up. We are the toughest economic times, as a city and a country together.

Since: Apr 08

AOL

#9 Nov 14, 2009
I know so many landlords who do not care of improving their homes because they feer the taxes will go up, and people are disgusted with all the fees one has to pay from removing certain trash articles to parking, ext ,ext, ext.

Every year everthing goes up, taxes, water, insurance, and homeowners are desperate to get state subsidized familes into their homes, since they pay the highest rent, but who pays the families WE DO.
Everett Buzz

Haverhill, MA

#10 Nov 14, 2009
A Saucerful of Secrets wrote:
You people must be nuts not to think that taxes wont go up. We are the toughest economic times, as a city and a country together.
Where to begin? I'll go easy on you.
Based on your logic,the inverse would make you "nuts": you would be nuts to think taxes wouldn't go down during times of prosperity. Correct? Now, go back and see what the tax rates were during the recession in the early 90's. Then check and see what the tax rates skyrocketted to under the prosperous years under Clinton in the late 90's. I'll help you: Income tax levels were the highest in US history during the oft reminded prosperous Clinton years. It's a natuaral phenomena- Liberals have no answer except to tax more, whether in times of plenty or in times of want. It is irresistable to a Liberal not to take someone elses money and use it to purchase someone elses votes. I think thats nuts.
A Saucerful of Secrets

Everett, MA

#11 Nov 14, 2009
I agree with you. Im just saying that there is no way in hell that they would go down when now they are actually having money problems.
BPS

Medford, MA

#12 Nov 14, 2009
One of the major problems with taxes in Everett is that many of the property owners don't actually live here, so they don't vote here. Also, there seems to be a terrible amount of waste in this city.

I am a liberal and a property owner, and I can say that I hate the foolish, short-sighted decisions that are made with my tax dollars on a regular basis in this city. I believe in paying taxes for social programs, city maintenance, and overall improvement of our quality of life. But I cannot abide wasteful spending and wanton stupidity.

Maybe it is just me, but there seems to be a disproportionate number of incompetent, lazy people on our city's payroll.
BPS

Medford, MA

#13 Nov 14, 2009
Everett Buzz wrote:
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Where to begin? I'll go easy on you.
Based on your logic,the inverse would make you "nuts": you would be nuts to think taxes wouldn't go down during times of prosperity. Correct? Now, go back and see what the tax rates were during the recession in the early 90's. Then check and see what the tax rates skyrocketted to under the prosperous years under Clinton in the late 90's. I'll help you: Income tax levels were the highest in US history during the oft reminded prosperous Clinton years. It's a natuaral phenomena- Liberals have no answer except to tax more, whether in times of plenty or in times of want. It is irresistable to a Liberal not to take someone elses money and use it to purchase someone elses votes. I think thats nuts.
Didn't Clinton have a majority Republican Congress for most of his administration? I'd call the decisions made about taxes under Clinton bipartisan.
Everett Buzz

Haverhill, MA

#14 Nov 14, 2009
BPS wrote:
One of the major problems with taxes in Everett is that many of the property owners don't actually live here, so they don't vote here. Also, there seems to be a terrible amount of waste in this city.
I am a liberal and a property owner, and I can say that I hate the foolish, short-sighted decisions that are made with my tax dollars on a regular basis in this city. I believe in paying taxes for social programs, city maintenance, and overall improvement of our quality of life. But I cannot abide wasteful spending and wanton stupidity.
Maybe it is just me, but there seems to be a disproportionate number of incompetent, lazy people on our city's payroll.
Property taxes alone have gone up over 30% since last year . Have social programs, maintenance, and quality of life matched that. If not, you're right then its being wasted . But as everyone is learning these days you cant waste what you done have. The govt should live by the same rules they subject us to. Until then, taxes will never be proportionate to their intended purpose.
PS It was the Repub. majority gained in 1994 that forced CLinton to cut back on spending resulting in the budget surplus. Taxes like the income tax rates, were signed in prior to '94 when the Dems had full control. Income taxes, captial gains etc, didn't drop until after Clinton left office. Its a shame the Republicans acted/spent like Liberal Democrats for the 8 years under Bush. But now the Dem. House control since '06, and now the White House, has prooven to be a further extension and expansion of liberal spending, ironically instituted by a Republican majority that lost their identity. This will only worsen the situation. Someone needs to put on the breaks or the nation is in jeopardy beyond repair. Just ask China.
BPS

Medford, MA

#15 Nov 14, 2009
I agree with some of your points, but I think you're being a little hard on Clinton and a little generous to the republicans. And if we're to be totally honest, regardless of party, politics is kind of like picking the least offensive trash from the bottom of the barrel. Isn't it? Not that this is totally reliable, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bi...
A major problem with the economy at the time was the issue of the massive deficit and the problem of government spending. In order to address these issues, in August 1993, Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 which passed Congress without a single Republican vote. It raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers, while cutting taxes on 15 million low-income families and making tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses. Additionally, it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years and the deficit be reduced. This was to be achieved through the implementation of spending restraints.
Everett Buzz

Haverhill, MA

#16 Nov 14, 2009
BPS wrote:
I agree with some of your points, but I think you're being a little hard on Clinton and a little generous to the republicans. And if we're to be totally honest, regardless of party, politics is kind of like picking the least offensive trash from the bottom of the barrel. Isn't it? Not that this is totally reliable, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bi...
A major problem with the economy at the time was the issue of the massive deficit and the problem of government spending. In order to address these issues, in August 1993, Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 which passed Congress without a single Republican vote. It raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers, while cutting taxes on 15 million low-income families and making tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses. Additionally, it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years and the deficit be reduced. This was to be achieved through the implementation of spending restraints.
If you clik on the "Omnibus " link there are some other figueres to confirm my points. He was a disaster for small business owners ( I am one) and the middle class over the long run.

I agree, trash all stinks once its in the can too long. There should be term limits on every elected office especially Congress.
Everett Buzz

Haverhill, MA

#17 Nov 14, 2009
A Saucerful of Secrets wrote:
I agree with you. Im just saying that there is no way in hell that they would go down when now they are actually having money problems.
And if "they" are having money problems that is because we all are having money problems. All the more reason to lower taxes- Cause and effect. Society can function with smaller government , government cannot function with a poverty stricken society unless the form of government changes. And we are imited to two options then. Historically a democracy's demise results into either a monarchy or a dictatorship- both would be disasterous.

Lower taxes reduces the power of government and increases the power of the people. And the opposite is just as true. If the gov. wants to deplete the financial resources of the people, we must ask ourselves why? Why a more powerful growing government over a weakened and poorer society? Who benefits? And what will be the ultimate cost? We are seeing it right now. Increased taxes makes everyone poorer and more people relying on the government. Its kind of like a drug dealer giving out free drugs to people -eventually they will all be dependent.
Everett Buzz

Haverhill, MA

#18 Nov 14, 2009
Voter wrote:
It is also every fee and fine that has increased too. This all is a form of taxation. Instead of finding ways to cut spending they keep passing the increased cost on to taxpayers. I don't know about the rest of you but this well is going dry.
In order to cut spending you might have to eliminate some of the jobs you promised when you ran for office. A most unpleasant experience I would imagine.

The problemis that when there is a period of prosperity there should be a law dictating that for every tax dollar reicieved a percentage of it cannot be spent , but must be saved in interest bearing acccounts for times like now. Responsible citizens do it. It's time the government does it as well.
Tired

Malden, MA

#19 Jan 10, 2010
I too, own a small business here in Everett. The property is mixed use with my business on the 1st floor and my home on the 2nd. I am also owner occuppied. Last year my property taxes jumped from $11,000 to over $14,500 for 2009. I filed an abatement (first time in 22 years)and you guessed it, I was denied. Now this year w/ the new rate of $37.01 per 1000 my taxes jumped again to over $18,500.00.
I have never used the school system. What do I get for that kind of money? What is the breaking point for the mom & pop business in this city. I think i've reached that magic number. These politians have some nerve. They are charging me for Belmont and I have to look at Everett (the new Chelsea) every day. What kind of budget cuts have they made?
None of these guys have a vision or a creative bone in their bodies. They will not stop until Broadway is a boarded up enpty shell. What a total disgrace!!
Everett Republican

Charlestown, MA

#20 Jan 10, 2010
Time to elect Sip for mayor.

"Taxpayers First"

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