NIV is Corrupt As Jehovah Witnesses's...
Night Caller

Morristown, TN

#21 Jan 23, 2013
The Truth wrote:
The NIV is either as corrupt as the New World Translation of the Jehovah Witnesses's bible or the NWT is as correct as the NIV. In Matthew 5:22 the King James bible tells us we are danger of judgement if we get angry with his brother WITHOUT A CAUSE. The perverted NIV and NWT both remove the words WITHOUT A CAUSE. You can take this verse they pervert and say that Jesus sinned when he was angry in the temple. Jesus had a cause to be angry and DID NOT SIN!
Maybe the KJV added or deleted these words or verses. How are we to know? We don't have the original manuscripts to study, so who really knows. I know you can point to scripture and use the word "Faith" but that cuts both ways....think about it before you continue your idolatry.

Since: Jan 13

Tennessee

#22 Jan 24, 2013
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text> After one has been convicted by the Holy Ghost that he is a sinner and headed for a devil's he may decide to accept Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour. One get's baptized to show his obedience to Christ. You don't have to be baptized to go to heaven as some false religions teach such as the Roman Catholics.
Acts 8:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For what....? The remission of sins....forgiveness.

Mark 4:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Seems like the same thing yet again.

Luke 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

There's that forgiveness thing again.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.

That sounds like it's necessary to me.

In the second chapter of Acts, Peter had convicted the people there of having killed the Son of God. In verse 37 their question was, "Men and brethren what shall we do?" In verse 38 (KJV), "Then Peter said unto them, repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins." Here people were told to repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins. Only when we submit to baptism as the Lord has commanded, that is for the remission of sins to be saved, do we show our faith in the Lord. Only then will He save us.

Man today has a sin problem. It is our sins that separate us from God. We are to repent and be baptized for the remission of our sins. This is God's instruction on how we solve our sin problem. In the above verse, when Peter told them to "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins," whatever repentance is for in that verse, baptism is for the same reason. Repent and be baptized are joined by the coordinating conjunction and, which joins words of equal grammatical importance. Certainly Acts 2:38 does not teach that lost people are to repent because they have already received forgiveness of their sins. Neither does it teach that lost people are to be baptized because their sins are already forgiven. Satan would like you to believe that baptism has nothing to do with the forgiveness of your sins. Have you been baptized for the remission of your sins? Again, the choice is yours; either believe what God has said and be saved, or believe what men say and you will continue to be lost. We only have two choices, and the choice that we make will have eternal consequences.

In the book of Acts we have the account of the conversion of the Apostle Paul. In Acts chapter 9, Paul is traveling on the road up to Damascus to persecute Christians. The Lord appears to Paul on the road and strikes him blind. In verse 5 he tells Paul, "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting." In verse 6 Paul asks, "Lord what do you want me to do? Then the Lord said to him (Paul), Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." The Lord did not tell Paul what he must do, but that someone in the city would tell him what he must do. In Acts 9:9, after Paul went into the city, "And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank." Paul was worried sick and very upset. He had just found out that all the years in his zeal, while persecuting the Lord's church, he had actually been persecuting the Lord. Paul was devastated and broken-hearted in finding out that he had been wrong all these years.

Continued...

Since: Jan 13

Tennessee

#23 Jan 24, 2013
In the book of Acts we have the account of the conversion of the Apostle Paul. In Acts chapter 9, Paul is traveling on the road up to Damascus to persecute Christians. The Lord appears to Paul on the road and strikes him blind. In verse 5 he tells Paul, "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting." In verse 6 Paul asks, "Lord what do you want me to do? Then the Lord said to him (Paul), Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." The Lord did not tell Paul what he must do, but that someone in the city would tell him what he must do. In Acts 9:9, after Paul went into the city, "And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank." Paul was worried sick and very upset. He had just found out that all the years in his zeal, while persecuting the Lord's church, he had actually been persecuting the Lord. Paul was devastated and broken-hearted in finding out that he had been wrong all these years.

Let's see now what Paul was told what he must do. In Acts chapter 22, a man named Ananias, who was sent by the Lord, came to Paul and miraculously restored Paul's eyesight. Notice what Paul was told by Ananias what he must do. Acts 22:16, "And now why are you waiting? Arise, and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Paul was not saved three days earlier while on the road to Damascus, as some people would like for us to believe. Paul up to this point was still lost, because he still had all his sins that needed to be washed away. Paul still had a sin problem. Obedience to the Lord's command to be baptized was necessary to wash away Paul's sins. At the point of baptism every sin that we have ever committed will be taken away, if it is done for that purpose.

Paul was not told "to pray the sinners prayer and ask Jesus to come into his heart in order to be saved." This is foreign to the scripture. You cannot find anywhere in the Bible where anyone was ever told to do this. Since God in the Bible has never told anyone "To pray and ask Jesus to come into your heart in order to be saved", who else but men could have come up with such an idea? Forgiveness occurs in the mind of God and not on the basis of man's feeling in his heart. Only when we have done what God has said that we must do, will God forgive our sins. We cannot devise our own plan as to how our sins are to be forgiven.

Do not misunderstand. We do not "earn" our salvation by being baptized. Salvation is a gift from God. Even though salvation is a free gift from God, he has laid down certain conditions upon which he will give it. One condition to receive his gift is faith: Hebrews 11:6, "But without faith it is impossible to please Him." Another condition of his free gift is repentance: Luke 13:3, "Unless you repent you will all likewise perish." Another condition is baptism: Mark 16:16, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." Still another condition is living a faithful Christian life: Revelation 2:10, "Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." The conditions include doing all "the will of the Father," Matthew 7:21. These are God's conditions. Believing in God and Christ with all our heart, repenting of all our sins, confessing Christ and being baptized are all equally important to our salvation. If any of these are lacking, then we will not be saved. You can't have one without the others.

There is nothing that we can do to merit salvation. Whether it be believing in Jesus or being baptized, we can never "earn our salvation". The only way we can show our faith in Christ is if we are willing to accept and obey what He says. But it is in baptism that God has chosen to impart his wonderful grace of salvation to us as a willing believer.

Continued....

Since: Jan 13

Tennessee

#24 Jan 24, 2013
According to the Bible, it is at the point of baptism, that we pass from an unsaved state into a saved state. In other words, at the time of baptism, we go from being unsaved to being saved. We read in I Peter 3:21 (KJV), "The like figure whereunto even baptism does also now save us." The Bible says that "baptism does now also save us," but men say that "baptism does not save us." This is very similar to the situation of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. God in Genesis 2:17 told them not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, "For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." But Satan told Eve in Genesis 3:4, "Then the serpent said to the woman, you will not surely die." Satan only added the one word "not" to what God had said and completely changed the meaning. That is what men are doing to God's commands today. Who are you going to accept, the word of men or the Word of God? We are told in Acts 5:29, "We ought to obey God rather than men." On the Day of Judgment, the Bible will still say that "baptism does also now save us."

There you have it "Truth". Are you going to argue with what the bible plainly states? Unlike you, I use citations to prove my point.

Sounds like you are full of false doctrine. Are you the "False Profit" the bible warns us about?
Pravda

Jefferson City, TN

#25 Jan 24, 2013
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text> God can do anything. He has not chosen to produce another pure bible since the KJB. God tells us in Psalms 12:6&7 "The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." The word seven always means complete or finished in the word of God. The King James bible is the seventh English bible to be translated form the correct Textus Receptus. I truly believe that God will never have another bible translated from the correct manuscripts as the KJB is the complete and finished work of God. We don't need another correct bible as we have all the words of God in the KJB.
Well I am glad you admit it is possible there could or can be true translations other than the KJB. Though you yourself do not believe there are or will be.

I noticed you said English translations. I assume this does not preclude translations from the manuscripts you mentioned being translated into other languages, does it?
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#26 Jan 24, 2013
Night Caller wrote:
I've personally gone from feeling sorry for this guy "The Truth" to being infuriated because he's like a dog with a bone and then back to compassion. My God tells me that the NIV is Okay. I've prayed about this and have gotten a real peace about it. "The Truth" is venturing into the blasphemy territory when he calls the word of God perverted. I know he is not annointed and appointed by God to cull out the Bibles he feels are perverted. The man throws out scripture and leads you back to the ancient texts (which do not exist any longer) wih the hope that you will be so impressed that you will drop everything and follow him. Well, sorry truth, I, for one, am too intelligent to fall for your ploy. I pray that you have not done too much damage to a young christian or, pray God, an unsaved person. So please stop calling the NIV perverted cause like I have already stated.....I've prayed overr this situation and have receiveda real sense of God'd involvement and approval. Maybe you haven't done too much damage. God Bless.
So you believe the New World Translation of the Jehovah Witnesses' is not a corrupt bible?
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#27 Jan 24, 2013
Pravda wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I am glad you admit it is possible there could or can be true translations other than the KJB. Though you yourself do not believe there are or will be.
I noticed you said English translations. I assume this does not preclude translations from the manuscripts you mentioned being translated into other languages, does it?
There were correct bibles before the KJB. God used prophets before his written words were penned to deliver his words, and then his words were penned on rolls which are scrolls.
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#28 Jan 24, 2013
Night Caller wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe the KJV added or deleted these words or verses. How are we to know? We don't have the original manuscripts to study, so who really knows. I know you can point to scripture and use the word "Faith" but that cuts both ways....think about it before you continue your idolatry.
God tells us in many verses that he will preserve his words for ever. Does God lie? I think not!
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#29 Jan 24, 2013
Wait-----what wrote:
<quoted text>
Acts 8:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For what....? The remission of sins....forgiveness.
Mark 4:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Seems like the same thing yet again.
Luke 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
There's that forgiveness thing again.
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.
That sounds like it's necessary to me.
In the second chapter of Acts, Peter had convicted the people there of having killed the Son of God. In verse 37 their question was, "Men and brethren what shall we do?" In verse 38 (KJV), "Then Peter said unto them, repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins." Here people were told to repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins. Only when we submit to baptism as the Lord has commanded, that is for the remission of sins to be saved, do we show our faith in the Lord. Only then will He save us.
Man today has a sin problem. It is our sins that separate us from God. We are to repent and be baptized for the remission of our sins. This is God's instruction on how we solve our sin problem. In the above verse, when Peter told them to "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins," whatever repentance is for in that verse, baptism is for the same reason. Repent and be baptized are joined by the coordinating conjunction and, which joins words of equal grammatical importance. Certainly Acts 2:38 does not teach that lost people are to repent because they have already received forgiveness of their sins. Neither does it teach that lost people are to be baptized because their sins are already forgiven. Satan would like you to believe that baptism has nothing to do with the forgiveness of your sins. Have you been baptized for the remission of your sins? Again, the choice is yours; either believe what God has said and be saved, or believe what men say and you will continue to be lost. We only have two choices, and the choice that we make will have eternal consequences.
In the book of Acts we have the account of the conversion of the Apostle Paul. In Acts chapter 9, Paul is traveling on the road up to Damascus to persecute Christians. The Lord appears to Paul on the road and strikes him blind. In verse 5 he tells Paul, "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting." In verse 6 Paul asks, "Lord what do you want me to do? Then the Lord said to him (Paul), Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." The Lord did not tell Paul what he must do, but that someone in the city would tell him what he must do. In Acts 9:9, after Paul went into the city, "And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank." Paul was worried sick and very upset. He had just found out that all the years in his zeal, while persecuting the Lord's church, he had actually been persecuting the Lord. Paul was devastated and broken-hearted in finding out that he had been wrong all these years.
Continued...
Repentance means to turn to Jesus Christ which will lead one to have a different view about sin. Repentance always comes before baptism. The thief on the cross beside Jesus was saved and did not get baptized before he entered heaven.
Night Caller

Morristown, TN

#30 Jan 24, 2013
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text> God tells us in many verses that he will preserve his words for ever. Does God lie? I think not!
Didn't say God lied. Never did...never would, cause He doesn't.
Those same verses appear in the NIV as well as the KJB. So are you saying God lied in the NIV? You choose one, I choose the other.....I don't worship my Bible...only God. Seems to me you worship the Bible more than anything else.
jamie

United States

#31 Jan 24, 2013
I don't agree with just worshipping a bible but I do believe a lot of them are corrupt and the NIV is one of them because of the fact that homosexuality or sodamite can't be found in the NIV version because a woman on the NIV committee was lesbian and died and a man on the committee was gay and died,so I do agree the NIV is corrupt but "truth" do not judge someone if ur doing worse things then the one ur judging and do not pick and choose
Pravda

Jefferson City, TN

#32 Jan 24, 2013
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text> There were correct bibles before the KJB. God used prophets before his written words were penned to deliver his words, and then his words were penned on rolls which are scrolls.
That wasn't an answer to my question, maybe you misunderstood. Do you believe versions of non-corrupt Bible's can be translated from the manuscripts you mention into other languages? Say Cherokee for example.
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#33 Jan 24, 2013
Simply stated if you read or even look upon any other bible other than the KJV you will go strictly to hades.you can believe that.amen

Since: Jan 13

Tennessee

#34 Jan 25, 2013
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Repentance always comes before baptism.
Yeah, I said that too. I was just wondering why you were so blatantly proclaiming that baptism is not necessary, when throughout my post I prove otherwise. Using scripture to back it up.

There are five steps to heaven, Truth. Hearing the word, believing the word, repenting for your sins, confessing that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and being baptized for the forgiveness of those sins. Then you will rise up and walk in newness of life, "for those of you who are baptized into Christ, have put on Christ." Galatians 3:27
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#35 Jan 25, 2013
Night Caller wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't say God lied. Never did...never would, cause He doesn't.
Those same verses appear in the NIV as well as the KJB. So are you saying God lied in the NIV? You choose one, I choose the other.....I don't worship my Bible...only God. Seems to me you worship the Bible more than anything else.
Sorry you choose a bible that Satan has perverted.
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#36 Jan 25, 2013
Wait-----what wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, I said that too. I was just wondering why you were so blatantly proclaiming that baptism is not necessary, when throughout my post I prove otherwise. Using scripture to back it up.
There are five steps to heaven, Truth. Hearing the word, believing the word, repenting for your sins, confessing that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and being baptized for the forgiveness of those sins. Then you will rise up and walk in newness of life, "for those of you who are baptized into Christ, have put on Christ." Galatians 3:27
Are you a member of the Church of Christ? The thief on the cross DID NOT get baptized.
really

Cleveland, OH

#37 Jan 25, 2013
The Truth wrote:
Simply stated if you read or even look upon any other bible other than the KJV you will go strictly to hades.you can believe that.amen
So the rest if the non-english speaking world is doomed based on your statement... what if, as Pravda proposed, those manuscripts or the KJV were used to provide them with The Word in their own language? How can your singular view be the most effective in spreading the gospel? You seem to want to limit God.....He's able to overcome any human error through persoanl relationship with Him.
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#38 Jan 25, 2013
The Truth wrote:
Simply stated if you read or even look upon any other bible other than the KJV you will go strictly to hades.you can believe that.amen
Sorry you can not accept the truth on bible preservation and have to be a child and use the truth id. From The truth from Morristown. By the way Hades of the NIV is spoken of in Greek mythology as happy fields, Hell is no happy field and Hades is not Hell. The NIV lies once again.
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#39 Jan 25, 2013
really wrote:
<quoted text>
So the rest if the non-english speaking world is doomed based on your statement... what if, as Pravda proposed, those manuscripts or the KJV were used to provide them with The Word in their own language? How can your singular view be the most effective in spreading the gospel? You seem to want to limit God.....He's able to overcome any human error through persoanl relationship with Him.
The KJB has been translated into 2,452 languages. How would you know God without His written words?
The Truth

Morristown, TN

#40 Jan 25, 2013
Pravda wrote:
<quoted text>
That wasn't an answer to my question, maybe you misunderstood. Do you believe versions of non-corrupt Bible's can be translated from the manuscripts you mention into other languages? Say Cherokee for example.
Correct bibles can not use perverted manuscripts.

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