Fishy or What

Arnold, MO

#388 Mar 24, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
And it's an appraisal of a piece of commercial property for about an acre of land. It looks like the price of the empty acre is about on track. What's it prove?
Maybe try reading the whole thing before you make any statements. There are two appraisals there. Oh, forgot, it's that sunshine thing posted earlier again, even if the light is blinding you, you'd swear it was dark. Whatever, stick your head back in the sand.
Double Standard

Arnold, MO

#389 Mar 24, 2013
Doris Borgelt is the queen of double standards.

Doris likes to act righteous if a political opponent pays property taxes late; BUT fails to find fault with herself for the numerous time she has paid her puny tax bills late.

Doris can rail against corporate welfare; BUT fails to confess that she voted in favor of subsidies to both InBev and CVS.

Clean up city hall! Vote NO Doris!
Fishy or What

Arnold, MO

#390 Mar 24, 2013
Bill Moritz wrote:
<quoted text>
No. The point is that there is no proof. There is nothing but the same old claims of corruption. They say this so often and so loudly that they even believe it. There is no corruption. It does not exist here. It is the same old rhetoric.
Notice how this group turns on themselves. Jerel Poor now has an attack ad out, as he does this week every year. He is now attacking Ron Counts because Counts, like me, would not torpedo the city to satisfy his anger. Be clear that that is why this group turned on me. I said no.
Look at the caliber of candidates that group regularly puts up to run for council. Jason Connell was a typical example. He accomplished nothing except a vote to discharge the attorney. This while he was stealing recreation services from the city to benefit his extended family. When he was confronted with it, his response was to demand the accounts for Amato, Crisler, Moss, Lang, Unrein, Edwards and me. Imagine the look on his face when his scheme was discovered and he was told to pay up or explain it to the police. He paid up and slinked out of town when his term expired.
This city is in fine shape. Where others are cutting back on services (St. Louis, St. Louis County, Crestwood), cutting employee health care (Pevely) and laying people off Arnold is building and still growing. Look around. The sales tax revenes are up 6% in 2012 over 2011. We are higher in the first part of 2013 than we were in 2012. Arnold is carrying Jefferson County by at least 40% of the county's revenue. Look around at all the construction. Do you think this would have happened under anything Doris? Of course not. Let her spew. The more she attacks me in here the less time she has to bother voters.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/132109714/The-City-...
Letusnamenames

United States

#391 Mar 24, 2013
Posting the same thing over and over doesn't change the fact that you are trying to make something out of nothing.
Liquor is Quicker

Arnold, MO

#392 Mar 24, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
Posting the same thing over and over doesn't change the fact that you are trying to make something out of nothing.
Really? Then maybe you ought to take your own advice!
Ron in Wonderland

Anonymous Proxy

#393 Mar 25, 2013
Wrong on All Counts

Arnold Mayor Ron Counts’ response to one of the questions in the Leader voter guide is like something out of Alice in Wonderland, or maybe 1984. The question was:“Assess your opponent’s performance during the current term. What would you have done differently?”
My opponent’s performance during her last term was extremely expensive for our city. She wasted excessive time of our administrator and legal counsel. This cost our taxpayers through lost production as well as legal expenses. I respect her desire to do what is right. However, there is a difference between leading the community and micromanaging the system. It is our responsibility to watchdog taxpayer money. It is also our responsibility to set policy that prepares us for the next decade. In doing things differently, I would have asked more professional questions, instead of the ones that only belittled our public servants. I believe and support our fine Arnold employees and the excellent work that they do for us.
The first part of this answer, about opponent Doris Borgelt being expensive for the city, is the political equivalent of grabbing someone’s arm, swinging it at the person’s own face, and saying “why are you hitting yourself?” It wasn’t Borgelt that turned a simple request to view city hall visitor logs into a fight that required the intercession of the state Attorney General (who sided with Borgelt, by the way). It wasn’t Borgelt who has created a system where city employees can’t lift a finger without consulting city attorney Bob Sweeney. It wasn’t Borgelt who voted to award a completely unwarranted $55,000 payout to Susie Boone (speaking of preparing for the next decade, Boone will be here for a good chunk of it, since she effectively has immunity from oversight or from being fired as part of the settlement).
As for Counts being a watchdog of taxpayer money, Borgelt destroys that claim in her response to the question:
There was a $1.5 million error in accounting [ed.- the year Counts entered office], a $75,000 grant to improve North Jeffco Boulevard was allowed to expire,$70,000 was given to our former city administrator who resigned and there was a $1 million overage on the CVS project. We are bleeding money!
In his Patch profile, Counts said one of his priorities for a second term is to “hire the best qualified person as the City’s Administrator through the use of a research committee.” Do we trust him to make this decision? Counts is the man who reversed the one courageous move he made during his first term - supporting the replacement of Sweeney as city attorney – by letting a new council push him into rehiring the man. Counts also selected Bob Shockey to be interim city administrator despite the fact that he is the subject of an active sex discrimination lawsuit. So I can’t imagine who his committee will put forward to replace Shockey. The fact that Counts put councilman Phil Amato and Shockey on the committee does not bode well, and is further evidence of bad judgment. Keep in mind, too, that a replacement has to be appointed for Ward 1 councilwoman Cricky Lang, who passed away in February. I’d rather have Borgelt make that choice.
Ron in Wonderland

London, UK

#394 Mar 25, 2013
Finally, a word on leadership, since Counts claims to exercise it. At meetings, he usually sits on the fence, refusing to weigh in on the big issues. Only when rebuking Borgelt or people speaking from the floor does he get animated. The ballotgate scandal provides a textbook example. In order to remove Shaun Missey from the city council ballot, Sweeney and City Clerk Diane Waller had to completely change their policies from 2011. Then, tax-delinquent candidates were allowed to remain on the ballot, and the clerk was not to attempt to investigate tax status. But in 2013, delinquency was a grave offense, and the clerk became Chief Tax Investigator for the city. Did Counts approve of, or know of, these policy changes? The thin reed that Sweeney used to justify this illegal act was to say that some of the personal property tax money from residents of Arnold comes back to the city. Arnold Patch, which did a pretty good job of picking up the ball that the Leader completely dropped on this issue, talked to the city finance director, who refuted Sweeney’s claim. Why did this have to be hashed out by Patch? The mayor should be coordinating the actions of city staff, or at least ensuring that the city administrator is doing so. That apparently did not happen here, and from what we can tell, this whole fiasco was Sweeney’s idea and handiwork. Not once in all of my posts on ballotgate did I mention the mayor, because he abdicated his responsibility here. We need a mayor that will keep city employees in line, not merely praise them while ignoring their mistakes.
This mayoral election is huge for Arnold. Doris Borgelt is the right choice. Ron is wrong on all Counts (ha ha, like that?).
Uncensored

Arnold, MO

#395 Mar 25, 2013
Ron in Wonderland wrote:
…There was a $1.5 million error in accounting [ed.- the year Counts entered office]…
There was an error. It was not an accounting error. An accounting error is when there is an error recording a financial transaction that really took place.

The error was in the revenue budget. A budget attempts to forecast revenue to be received in the upcoming months. In this case, a forecasted revenue was duplicated (or entered twice) into the revenue budget. It was a clerical error within the budget document. No money was lost or misappropriated. Removing the duplicated sum and adjusting the spending budget accordingly corrected the error.

It is unfair to claim this clerical error is any fault of Ron Counts (as the budget with the error was adopted eight or nine months prior to Ron Counts taking office) any more than it is unfair to claim the error is the fault of the council that adopted the budget (said council included several associates of Doris Borgelt).
She does not get it

Chicago, IL

#396 Mar 25, 2013
Uncensored wrote:
<quoted text>
There was an error. It was not an accounting error. An accounting error is when there is an error recording a financial transaction that really took place.
The error was in the revenue budget. A budget attempts to forecast revenue to be received in the upcoming months. In this case, a forecasted revenue was duplicated (or entered twice) into the revenue budget. It was a clerical error within the budget document. No money was lost or misappropriated. Removing the duplicated sum and adjusting the spending budget accordingly corrected the error.
It is unfair to claim this clerical error is any fault of Ron Counts (as the budget with the error was adopted eight or nine months prior to Ron Counts taking office) any more than it is unfair to claim the error is the fault of the council that adopted the budget (said council included several associates of Doris Borgelt).
And it was from the year preceding Counts' arrival.
Letusnamenames

United States

#397 Mar 25, 2013
Doris and them are blaming everything on Counts these days whether or not he had anything to do with it. They'll probably try to blame the snowfall on him and say he seeded the clouds or something (you know, far fetched explanation). Guess they think that is the only way she can get elected.
More Going On

Arnold, MO

#398 Mar 25, 2013
What about the million dollar over run on the CVS project? The $70,000 given to Unrein to resign? How many settlements have been made without council knowledge? Emergency, has to be done tonight, no time to weigh the proposals, hurry before anyone on the council has time to think about it or the public gets wind of it. How many times has the council been guided into making a decision without all of the information? Why was the Mayor and Amato and Kroupa all for selling the sewer system, talked like Dutch uncles trying to convince the rest of the council. All they were worried about was how they were going to spend the cash! Then a bunch more information came out and the people got wind of it and they weren't going to stand for it!
All these things need to be brought out into the open instead of being taken care of behind closed doors.
More Going On

Arnold, MO

#399 Mar 25, 2013
Don't forget the $75,000 grant that was given up because someone dropped the ball. What ever happened to the $250,000 in landscaping for 141/55 promised by Drury?
Letusnamenames

United States

#400 Mar 25, 2013
There was nothing done to the north end of Jeffco so we never used the money anyway. That's another election ploy saying we "lost" money on something that wasn't ours to begin with unless we decides to do the work.

Keep crying foul, the truth and your lack of proof is clearly visible.
Letusnamenames

United States

#401 Mar 25, 2013
And I have asked for proof of wrong doing numerous times and yet haven't received any. Only an appraisal that wasn't even accurate.in my opinion.
Idiot Alert

Arnold, MO

#402 Mar 25, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
There was nothing done to the north end of Jeffco so we never used the money anyway. That's another election ploy saying we "lost" money on something that wasn't ours to begin with unless we decides to do the work.
Keep crying foul, the truth and your lack of proof is clearly visible.
The money was in the possession of the City of Arnold, a sign and a landscape plan were ordered. The money had to be returned to the state, Whirly Twirly and the city ended up paying for the things already ordered after they had to return the money.
Idiot Alert

Arnold, MO

#403 Mar 25, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
And I have asked for proof of wrong doing numerous times and yet haven't received any. Only an appraisal that wasn't even accurate.in my opinion.
Do you think it is possible for you to go pee up a rope?
Letusnamenames

United States

#404 Mar 25, 2013
Do you think it is possible for you to supply proof of all of your allegations?
DISAPPEARING LINK

Arnold, MO

#405 Mar 26, 2013
Seems like Doris couldn't handle the truth about how people feel about her!! She had the entire link removed!! All I can say is after next Tuesday... it's Na Na Na Na... Hay Hay Hay... Good Bye!!
Letusnamenames

United States

#406 Mar 26, 2013
That is hilarious!

If they did do it (notice I said IF) then it just shows that they only likes issues about the current administration being brought out and none about her and her camp. I guess what is good for the gander isn't good for the goose.
BLT

Budapest, Hungary

#407 Mar 26, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
That is hilarious!
If they did do it (notice I said IF) then it just shows that they only likes issues about the current administration being brought out and none about her and her camp. I guess what is good for the gander isn't good for the goose.
Of course it couldn't have anything to do with your non stop harassing and intimidating behavior. Your 24/7 bullying of people that are not public officials. That couldn't be it, right?

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