Fox C-6 and Board treat teachers like crap!

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Wow

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Jun 19, 2013
Recent negotiations promised a fix to the unfair and unbalanced pay scale. At the last minute the administration and board came up with their OWN pay scale, unbeknownst to teachers, in which 15-20 year veteran teachers will be taking a 2000 to 4000 dollar pay cut! BS!
Hay

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Jun 19, 2013
Is this the work of the old board or the new guys? If it deals with money, you better believe Kroupa was heavily involved.
Toss it

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#3 Jun 19, 2013
What a load of horsecrap that comment is.
Mom

Arnold, MO

#4 Jun 19, 2013
There's enough horse manure from city and school officials to fertilize a thousand fields. Just stay upwind or hold your nose, because it is only going to get worse. They have been covering their self serving ways for years, scraping of a few feet of dirt is just the start.
Hay

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Jun 19, 2013
Toss it wrote:
What a load of horsecrap that comment is.
I just mean that he campaigned on wanting to scrutinize spending in the district. Salaries would seem to be the largest bit of spending they do. No disrespect intended.
Wow

Saint Louis, MO

#6 Jun 19, 2013
I just hope the teachers reject this current contract. It's an insult to the highly qualified staff.
affected teacher

Festus, MO

#7 Jun 20, 2013
I have been with the district for almost 20 years. My own personal salary will take a loss of over $1200. I spend half that much on supplies for my classroom out of my own pocket. I assumed the administration and board were making some progress on getting my trust back, and I assumede that they valued my efforts as a teacher. I was wrong on both counts.

As for whether it was the old or new school board members, we don't know. They handled the situation in closed session. It was not an individual personnel matter, so I don't know how they can do that under the Sunshine Law, but I am not a lawyer.

The teachers probably will reject it, but we have no power. We rejected a contract 7 or 8 years ago and they said tough sh*t take it or quit. We have no recourse except the public forum.
deal with it

Cape Girardeau, MO

#8 Jun 21, 2013
I too teach in the district and have for over ten years. Yes, it stinks a little that we will be making less money, but how about being grateful that you have a high paying job? That same 15-20 year veteran teacher is already making over $70,000 a year. And, at least for the past decade since I have been there, we receive a raise every single year, whether the economy is doing well or not. You same teachers are now sitting at home for another two months, reading, gardening, vacationing, and spending time with your families. We have fantastic jobs and get paid well for them. Please quit complaining and be thankful for having a secure, high paying job.
Oh My

Arnold, MO

#9 Jun 21, 2013
Secure? How secure can a job be when you are at the mercy of a superintendent whose pool of relatives needing a job changes every five years?
It will be time to be thankful when the district is a transparent as a window without a shade. When all decisions that can be made in the public eye are, that is when everyone will be thankful.
deal with it

Cape Girardeau, MO

#11 Jun 21, 2013
Oh My, I agree with you; the nepotism needs to stop, but what does that have to do with your job security?
affected teacher

Festus, MO

#12 Jun 21, 2013
Even a board member's daughter-in-law who has only a high school degree can earn almost $70,000 a year in her first year. Oh she doesn't get summers off but the district can hire two new underlings to help he do her job and get supervisor's pay.

I am supposed to be grateful? I am supposed to be grateful that the administration negotiated and agreed to a pay scale and then reneged unilaterally? Without going back to the bargaining table? Also the BOE and administration says their reserves are getting low and thus had to change the salary scale. Does almost 20% in reserves seem low when the state only requires 3%. These are DESE numbers.

Does it seems low that Fox is increasing salaries by $1.17 million next year? That seems like a lot but I have 2 questions. First, do the teachers deserve less than the $3 million spent on 2 football fields? Second, how much of that $1.17 million is on administration raises?

And my job is only secure if the administration does not find out who is posting this.
deal with it

Cape Girardeau, MO

#13 Jun 21, 2013
In the past 10 years, have you received a raise every single year while working at Fox? Yes. Do you think people in the private sector receive raises every single year? No. Have you never talked with teachers in other districts who have had raises freeze for 5+ years?

Yes, you are supposed to be grateful. Look, I teach in the district, and I too think it is crap that the salary schedule just changed, but getting on Arnold Topics and complaining about how bad your life sucks because you didn’t get as much of a raise as you wanted (all the while sitting around and not having to set an alarm, deal with traffic, or do anything for the next two months) makes all of us look like ungrateful children. When I began teaching ten years ago, I made around $30,000. Now, I make about $55,000. That’s a substantial increase in ten years, much larger than most private sector jobs. I have received a raise every single year I have worked here. I have a job I love, where I get to impact children on a daily basis. I am grateful for it. We have fantastic jobs, which are paid for by taxpayers, and although we may not agree with each and every decision made by the district, I don’t think it warrants a community bitch-fest.

Oh, and by the way…what does the hiring of Nash’s daughter have anything to do with you and your salary?
Bored Member

High Ridge, MO

#14 Jun 21, 2013
affected teacher wrote:
Even a board member's daughter-in-law who has only a high school degree can earn almost $70,000 a year in her first year. Oh she doesn't get summers off but the district can hire two new underlings to help he do her job and get supervisor's pay.
I am supposed to be grateful? I am supposed to be grateful that the administration negotiated and agreed to a pay scale and then reneged unilaterally? Without going back to the bargaining table? Also the BOE and administration says their reserves are getting low and thus had to change the salary scale. Does almost 20% in reserves seem low when the state only requires 3%. These are DESE numbers.
Does it seems low that Fox is increasing salaries by $1.17 million next year? That seems like a lot but I have 2 questions. First, do the teachers deserve less than the $3 million spent on 2 football fields? Second, how much of that $1.17 million is on administration raises?
And my job is only secure if the administration does not find out who is posting this.
The funding for facilities you mentioned were done with a bond issue vote, passed by the district's taxpayers.

Salary funds are in a different account, so to speak. All are audited and it is literally illegal to supplement one with the other.
rosy

Chesterfield, MO

#15 Jun 21, 2013
deal with it wrote:
In the past 10 years, have you received a raise every single year while working at Fox? Yes. Do you think people in the private sector receive raises every single year? No. Have you never talked with teachers in other districts who have had raises freeze for 5+ years?

Yes, you are supposed to be grateful. Look, I teach in the district, and I too think it is crap that the salary schedule just changed, but getting on Arnold Topics and complaining about how bad your life sucks because you didnÂ’t get as much of a raise as you wanted (all the while sitting around and not having to set an alarm, deal with traffic, or do anything for the next two months) makes all of us look like ungrateful children. When I began teaching ten years ago, I made around $30,000. Now, I make about $55,000. ThatÂ’s a substantial increase in ten years, much larger than most private sector jobs. I have received a raise every single year I have worked here. I have a job I love, where I get to impact children on a daily basis. I am grateful for it. We have fantastic jobs, which are paid for by taxpayers, and although we may not agree with each and every decision made by the district, I donÂ’t think it warrants a community bitch-fest.

Oh, and by the wayÂ…what does the hiring of NashÂ’s daughter have anything to do with you and your salary?
"So yes, it is fiscally responsible for a community to talk about loss of tax revenue and budget deficits. But we ought to be careful not to vilify this profession while doing so. Teachers are not glorified babysitters with summers off. Their profession fuels all others, and on a normal day that is amazing enough in and of itself."

This is from a wonderful article that discusses extraordinary teachers in extraordinary situations. http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/21/opinion/grander...
If teachers don't show up everyday, who will? Let's pay them well so they won't leave. Not everyone is cut out to teach. Most THINK they could. But they can't. Teachers are worth more than we pay them. They are worth more than we thank them. They are worth more than our smack about how much or little they do or don't do.
Thank you, teachers. I hope the BOE treats you better.
Wow

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Jun 21, 2013
deal with it wrote:
In the past 10 years, have you received a raise every single year while working at Fox? Yes. Do you think people in the private sector receive raises every single year? No. Have you never talked with teachers in other districts who have had raises freeze for 5+ years?
Yes, you are supposed to be grateful. Look, I teach in the district, and I too think it is crap that the salary schedule just changed, but getting on Arnold Topics and complaining about how bad your life sucks because you didn’t get as much of a raise as you wanted (all the while sitting around and not having to set an alarm, deal with traffic, or do anything for the next two months) makes all of us look like ungrateful children. When I began teaching ten years ago, I made around $30,000. Now, I make about $55,000. That’s a substantial increase in ten years, much larger than most private sector jobs. I have received a raise every single year I have worked here. I have a job I love, where I get to impact children on a daily basis. I am grateful for it. We have fantastic jobs, which are paid for by taxpayers, and although we may not agree with each and every decision made by the district, I don’t think it warrants a community bitch-fest.
Oh, and by the way…what does the hiring of Nash’s daughter have anything to do with you and your salary?
Wow. I don't know what kind of teacher you are but you certainly do not respect your co-workers or your profession by implying that we are all " just sitting around" doing nothing all summer and should be thankful for any morsel thrown our way by CO and the BOE. WE WORK OUR ASSES OFF ALL SCHOOL YEAR! I know I put in at least 60+ hours a week during the school year. I will not feel guilty about this much earned time off. Your attitude, implying that we should be grateful just to have a job and a meager pay increase yearly, is what is holding our profession back from getting the pay and respect it deserves. If the administrators on the top level can bring home salaries of over $240k per year then I think our district can afford to pay its teachers a decent salary. If I had chosen to go into the world of business, with my degrees and years on the job, I would be making double what I do as a teacher. Value your teachers by paying them well. You get what you pay for.
Hay

Saint Louis, MO

#17 Jun 21, 2013
Wow wrote:
<quoted text>Wow. I don't know what kind of teacher you are but you certainly do not respect your co-workers or your profession by implying that we are all " just sitting around" doing nothing all summer and should be thankful for any morsel thrown our way by CO and the BOE. WE WORK OUR ASSES OFF ALL SCHOOL YEAR! I know I put in at least 60+ hours a week during the school year. I will not feel guilty about this much earned time off. Your attitude, implying that we should be grateful just to have a job and a meager pay increase yearly, is what is holding our profession back from getting the pay and respect it deserves. If the administrators on the top level can bring home salaries of over $240k per year then I think our district can afford to pay its teachers a decent salary. If I had chosen to go into the world of business, with my degrees and years on the job, I would be making double what I do as a teacher. Value your teachers by paying them well. You get what you pay for.
This is a capitalist country. You are worth what the market will bear. If you feel you can do better elsewhere you are free to do so. When your salary is paid by the govt, things play out the way that they did. It happens, deal with it. You do t have any recourse if they reject your "no" vote, you aren't even allowed to strike.
Bored Member

High Ridge, MO

#19 Jun 21, 2013
rosy wrote:
<quoted text>
"So yes, it is fiscally responsible for a community to talk about loss of tax revenue and budget deficits. But we ought to be careful not to vilify this profession while doing so. Teachers are not glorified babysitters with summers off. Their profession fuels all others, and on a normal day that is amazing enough in and of itself."
This is from a wonderful article that discusses extraordinary teachers in extraordinary situations. http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/21/opinion/grander...
If teachers don't show up everyday, who will? Let's pay them well so they won't leave. Not everyone is cut out to teach. Most THINK they could. But they can't. Teachers are worth more than we pay them. They are worth more than we thank them. They are worth more than our smack about how much or little they do or don't do.
Thank you, teachers. I hope the BOE treats you better.
Thank you.
Here's a stat to chew on: In America, over 50% of new teachers leave the profession within their first 5 years.
Saturday Morning Briefing

Arnold, MO

#21 Jun 22, 2013
Hay wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a capitalist country. You are worth what the market will bear. If you feel you can do better elsewhere you are free to do so. When your salary is paid by the govt, things play out the way that they did. It happens, deal with it. You do t have any recourse if they reject your "no" vote, you aren't even allowed to strike.
But, the parents and taxpayers are allowed to voice their opinions at Board Meetings, well, when the board chooses to allow it. So yes, there is a recourse and that is getting the community involved and inform them exactly what has been going on and making sure they acknowledge and understand. It's all a matter of educating the public, which is something the board and the administration does not relish. They scream parental involvement, but run the other way when it is present.
Steve

United States

#22 Jun 22, 2013
Wow wrote:
I just hope the teachers reject this current contract. It's an insult to the highly qualified staff.
First off, the current "pay raise" is 1.2 million dollars to the teachers. That is not bad in an economy that is horrible. Teachers should be grateful they are getting ANY raise.

Second, they can "reject it" all they want. We are in a state of non-arbritration and the BOE can give whatever raise they want or no raise AT ALL regardless of how teachers vote. I think they should be grateful they have good secure jobs and ARE getting a raise.(My understanding is ALL teachers will get a raise under the new schedule.
Puleeze

Arnold, MO

#23 Jun 22, 2013
Oh, take your "Teachers should be grateful," and stick it where the sun don't shine. Yes suh, massa, I's be grateful to ya....
Why don't some of those highly paid administrators, like the superintendent take a cut in pay? Or her highly paid ex-husband? Or her highly paid current husband? Or any other relative of the super or the board that is collecting a salary beyond that of many who are more qualified than they?

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