Conflict of interest

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#32 May 6, 2008
Matt Hay wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, my response was send me the details. To date, I have not received anything. I am not sure what else you would like me to respond to Shirley?A statement sparse with facts was made asking that something be done, so until I know what the situation is the writer takes issue with, what is it you would like me to do? I am not going to scream impropriety unless I know the facts back up the screaming. I have taken to task both the actions of the City in general and City Officials specifically in the past, however, each time I have done so, there has always been valid cause in my mind, which has been substantiated with fact. I do not believe that public officials or those related to them should be awarded, or even allowed to bid on any City related matters in the first place, and I will never vote to approve any such action/agreement/deal.
What is it you were expecting me to say?
I believe CC asked a few days after RSRS posted if you had learned anything yet but there was no response from you. Now you have answered the question and a answer was all I expected from you. It is not your fault that RSRS did not respond to you so that is all you really had to say. Really simple.
Randy did step up and answer the question which I thanked him for.
Matt Hay

Arnold, MO

#33 May 6, 2008
Shirlav wrote:
I don't have a problem with a public official being in the news for good they have done in the community. Sad but true apparently has problems with it. I believe if a council person does something good and it is news worthy then that is great. As I said I hope Matt is in the news more often for doing somehing good for our community.
To be truthful I was a little shocked to see only Mr. Cooleys name in the paper today regarding the dog park as I know this is something Matt has been interested in and truthfully I would have liked to see him get some of the credit.
I have offered assistance and advice where I could, however, I deserve no credit as my small contribution pales in comparison to the hard work that Susie Boone and her staff has put into this project. They are the ones that deserve all of the accolades.

As for Butch's name being associated with the Park, where did you see that? Mike Bonnot and Mary Holden are the only two City Employees/Officials I saw mentioned in the whole article on the Paw Park, or at least the one on the front page of the Journal. Was there another article you are referring to?

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#34 May 6, 2008
Matt
You are correct. Mr. Cooley was not mentioned in the article. I don't mind Susie Boone or Mr. Bonnet being mentioned as I'm sure they did work hard on this project.
I do however give you and Sue some credit for this as without your interest in animals I don't think this would have ever happened. This of course is my opinion. This is the type of thing the people you serve need to know about you.

Since: Mar 08

Arnold Mo.

#43 May 7, 2008
CC
I believe Matt will look into this and update everyone when he has the time.
Randy already answered the part about council members being paid for services and the answer was that is not happening.
Matt said he will look into the other matter and I believe he will do so there would really be no reason for you to contact your own council member CC.
Shirley

United States

#44 May 8, 2008
Matt Hay wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, my response was send me the details. To date, I have not received anything. I am not sure what else you would like me to respond to Shirley?A statement sparse with facts was made asking that something be done, so until I know what the situation is the writer takes issue with, what is it you would like me to do? I am not going to scream impropriety unless I know the facts back up the screaming. I have taken to task both the actions of the City in general and City Officials specifically in the past, however, each time I have done so, there has always been valid cause in my mind, which has been substantiated with fact. I do not believe that public officials or those related to them should be awarded, or even allowed to bid on any City related matters in the first place, and I will never vote to approve any such action/agreement/deal.
What is it you were expecting me to say?
Matt
I also agree that you cannot be screaming impropriety with no facts to back it up. That is good judgement on your part. If RSRS really expects you to look into it then he/she does need give you some more information and some facts.
Shirley

United States

#45 May 8, 2008
Arnold is also supposed to have some laws in place but I'm not sure if it would include the issues that are being discussed here.
I do know that when David was on the council none of his nieces or nephews could work for the parks department because he was on the council.
Wildcat

Saint Louis, MO

#46 May 8, 2008
RSRS wrote:
Mr. Hey & Mr. Poor,
I would like to know how I may get a ordanance passed preventing ellected officials and city employees from bidding on / selling services to the city, i.e. lawn service, selling of uniforms, etc.
I feel that this is a conflict of interest and the people who are working for the city are using their position to line their pockets with the voters tax money.
So where do I start???????
Let's see..........
The Parks Department mows the grass at City Hall; Green Thumb buys the flowers etc....and Mr Cooley along with the golf staff plants the landscaping.
Hummmm.........
Wildcat

Saint Louis, MO

#47 May 8, 2008
Let's see..........
If the city goes thru the procedure of aquiring proposals for services, and they find the most economical and highest quality.....who cares????
As for employees........by law the siblings of a mayor or council or city adm cannot work for the city because it WOULD be a conflict...they are "technically" everyone's supervisor so....no laws broken there.....
What else can I help you folks with these days???
Did you know Dierbergs used the Rec Center for ALL of their training and PAID???? Now, they will be a great partner in the city.
So far....Lowes has assisted with the Paw Park and Dierbergs used the rec center....hummmm....I call that being great partners.
Wildcat

Saint Louis, MO

#49 May 8, 2008
Let's see......... it is CHEAPER for the city to mow the grass at city hall BUT cheaper to service it out say at the city park....comp bids were held.....
YES Dierbergs paid full price.....wow.....
Lowes did NOT donate the Paw Park...they gave the fencing at their cost...$4000......how can u donate a park????? It is on park land and city employees will be maintaining it when it comes to fruition.......at NO added cost to the city BECAUSE...monies are being generated by donations from different groups solely for the upkeep of the Paw Park! WOW...no expense to the city!
Green Thumb donates ALL landscaping around city hall...some around the rec center...etc....in the past Mr Cooley DONATED his time to do the plantings.......wow...voluntee rism is wonderful!
Shirley

United States

#51 May 8, 2008
Wildcat wrote:
Let's see..........
If the city goes thru the procedure of aquiring proposals for services, and they find the most economical and highest quality.....who cares????
As for employees........by law the siblings of a mayor or council or city adm cannot work for the city because it WOULD be a conflict...they are "technically" everyone's supervisor so....no laws broken there.....
What else can I help you folks with these days???
Did you know Dierbergs used the Rec Center for ALL of their training and PAID???? Now, they will be a great partner in the city.
So far....Lowes has assisted with the Paw Park and Dierbergs used the rec center....hummmm....I call that being great partners.
Good response Wildcat. I was also sure that Mr. Cooley donates his services and Randy was kind enough to respond when I mentioned Mr. Cooley donating his time.
I did know about the hiring practices as I said because when David was on the council not only his siblings but his nieces or nephews could not be hired due to the conflict.
Also glad you made a point to let people know that Dierbergs used the Rec Center for training but they paid full price to do so. If you had not someone I'm sure would have questioned it sooner or later.
LOL You sound like you might be on the council or connected to the city.
Wildcat

Saint Louis, MO

#52 May 8, 2008
It WAS QUOTED out as it was not over $5000!!!!
Three quotes were obtained......and Lowes was the lowest
Shirley

United States

#53 May 8, 2008
CC

I'm sure if Lowes donated the fencing at their cost the city would not have been able to purchase the fencing cheaper anywhere else. It was great of Lowes to do this for Paw Park.
As far as installing the fencing volunteers are doing that so it is at no cost to the city.
Allen

Saint Louis, MO

#55 May 8, 2008
Wildcat thax for the good info it is wonderful that someone really does know what is going on. There is a couple of people on here that only think they do (see above)LOL
Wildcat

Saint Louis, MO

#57 May 8, 2008
NO problem.....
Arnold CC....come to the dedication...it will be "enlightening and educational"......from 11-1:30 lots of neat stuff going on....then at 2pm we will have a ceremony...including a Blessing of the Animals...how to enter and leave the Paw Park...a "leash cutting"....ought to be alot of FUN!!!!
Fun in Arnold...!!!!!!!
RSRS

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#58 May 12, 2008
Shirlav,

I attempted to find out about who cuts the grass around city hall and got no where, so this week when I see them cutting I will ask the workers and post it.

As for the shirts I talked with one of the girls at the police department. She said that they used to wear dresses and skirts to work and then the chief of police changed the dress code. Now then have to wear brown men's pants and a polo shirt that is provided by the city sold by the chief of police to the city.

Now, I knew that the shirts were sold to the city by the chief of police but I did not know that he was the one who changed the dress code so he could line his pockets with my tax money.

If any one does not believe this all they need to do is go to the police department and ask any one wearing brown pants.
Wildcat

Saint Louis, MO

#60 May 12, 2008
I told you, the staff from the parks department cuts the grass at city hall..........
A gentleman named Paul Schmidt mows the out lots, city park, etc.....
Wildcat

Saint Louis, MO

#61 May 12, 2008
call the parks director......she will tell you...city hall employees wouldn't really know because it is her departments responsibility!
Sherry

Saint Louis, MO

#62 May 12, 2008
RSRS

I thought someone also said he was running a side jewelry business out of there as well. Pickup and delivery ? Officers droppinng stuff off for him ?
I agree with you about the shirts ... and personally I think he should be running his
businesses on his own time.

“look up and laugh”

Since: Jun 08

guess, where

#64 Jul 1, 2013
Hi Shirley!
Hey Stranger

Arnold, MO

#65 Jul 1, 2013
jdmdusa wrote:
Hi Shirley!
Not Shirley, but I hope things are going well for you. You haven't been around in a while. Are the cards still in your favor?

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