Breakout by Ward
LES

Ballwin, MO

#102 Apr 19, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
Hate to disappoint you, but I'm not part of the government. You shouldn't make assumptions. It makes for poor business.
And by the way, in case you weren't informed the citizens (you know, those of us that actually LIVE here) voted and we like the government we have. So, you being an out of towner and trying to think you want to cleanse the government when you don't even live here shows the type of people that Doris attracts, people that don't live in Arnold. Hay still flocks and tries to have influence and he doesn't live here either. So I think you and Hay need to butt out of our politics and get involved in YOUR local politics because we like things here the way they are.
The attitude of this post just bugs me. The Lotus Eaters .....
Letusnamenames

United States

#103 Apr 19, 2013
Rob Rosenfeld wrote:
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Your kind of corrupt politics have had quite an impact on me and my business in Arnold. If you like this sort of politics, what are you doing in America- shouldnt you be in somewhere like Cuba?
If you don't like doing business in Arnold then maybe you should consider moving your business more favorable to you. When you LIVE here then you can have a say through voting.
Letusnamenames

United States

#104 Apr 19, 2013
LES wrote:
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The attitude of this post just bugs me. The Lotus Eaters .....
The fact that you know what a Lotus Eater is is a very sad thing. The reference to it in your post and the amount of time you have to spend on the Internet to find it bugs me.
Letusnamenames

United States

#105 Apr 19, 2013
The voters have voices their wishes and the fact that one side cannot accept it is very sad. Get help.
Pathetic Apathy

Arnold, MO

#106 Apr 19, 2013
They like the government they have! They like winners and losers to be picked by those in power, no amount of hard work should result in success unless you bow to the leaders of Arnold city government. If you bow low enough, you don't even have to follow building or zoning codes or pay your full license fee! Rules can be bent for certain "friends," you can even get cushy deals on real estate, they'll figure out a way to pay their friend five or six times what something is worth as long as they are using taxpayer money. They think $750 per month is a wonderful return on a $500,000 investment. Heck if they could figure out a way to give their friends the money to purchase our overvalued property, I'm sure they would!
LES

Ballwin, MO

#107 Apr 19, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
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The fact that you know what a Lotus Eater is is a very sad thing. The reference to it in your post and the amount of time you have to spend on the Internet to find it bugs me.
I was only referring to the poem by Alfred, Lord Tennyson and the other literature based on the same story.
Rob rosenfeld

Kansas City, MO

#108 Apr 19, 2013
The voters decide except if they want to vote for Mullins missey or moss.
Letusnamenames

United States

#109 Apr 20, 2013
The voters did decide on Mullins. Moss could have stayed in it but he CHOSE to drop out. Missey should have been responsible and he would have not had any problems.

The voters did decide and decided they didn't want Doris or any of her cohorts.

Again, you do not LIVE here. If you don't like the politics then move your business elsewhere.
Rob rosenfeld

Deepwater, MO

#110 Apr 20, 2013
Yes it was a fair election. saddam hussein used to win like that.

Who knows where you live? Letusnamenames won't name his name. Your idea that you can slander me and attempt to ruin my business but I'm not allowed to respond is duly noted.
Dont feed the trolls

Arnold, MO

#111 Apr 20, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
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The fact that you know what a Lotus Eater is is a very sad thing.
Ok, I'll bite. Why is it sad that someone read the Odyssey?
Pathetic Apathy

Arnold, MO

#112 Apr 20, 2013
Some people don't remember the contents of their required reading in high school. It doesn't make those that do, bad people, just means they have better memories. A good memory in Arnold is only a good thing if your name is Phil Amato! He consistently remembers things that didn't even happen.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#113 Apr 20, 2013
Rob rosenfeld wrote:
Yes it was a fair election. saddam hussein used to win like that.
Who knows where you live? Letusnamenames won't name his name. Your idea that you can slander me and attempt to ruin my business but I'm not allowed to respond is duly noted.
Mr. Rosenfeld,

I have supported you in the bridge thing. I understood your side of it.

However, you have stepped over the line here in throwing out the word slander. Please show where Letusnamenames has slandered you and attempted to ruin your business as those are some pretty hefty claims. All I see is where Trish said you do not live in Arnold, you donated to Doris' campaign and that if you don't like the political climate in Arnold that you should consider moving your business (which they obviously don't know what business you have because moving a trailer park is not feasible).

I get the politics in Arnold are not favorable and I do believe that you had a case where you were treated unfairly. You have to realize that you have associated yourself with Doris who does not have a favorable reputation with many people as indicated by the Mayoral vote. My advice would be to find another candidate to support that is not on either side and to go that route. We need change in City Hall and some of the current people are not the answer and Doris is not the answer. We need people that can think for themselves and do the right thing instead of taking a "side" per say.

I'm glad you got a settlement out of court. Was it enough to cover your legal costs and did it get you out of the assessment for the bridge?

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#114 Apr 20, 2013
Pathetic Apathy wrote:
Some people don't remember the contents of their required reading in high school. It doesn't make those that do, bad people, just means they have better memories. A good memory in Arnold is only a good thing if your name is Phil Amato! He consistently remembers things that didn't even happen.
Just FYI, the Odyssey was not required reading in the Fox district.
Rob Rosenfeld

Saint Louis, MO

#115 Apr 20, 2013
ArnoldCC wrote:
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Mr. Rosenfeld,
I have supported you in the bridge thing. I understood your side of it.
However, you have stepped over the line here in throwing out the word slander. Please show where Letusnamenames has slandered you and attempted to ruin your business as those are some pretty hefty claims. All I see is where Trish said you do not live in Arnold, you donated to Doris' campaign and that if you don't like the political climate in Arnold that you should consider moving your business (which they obviously don't know what business you have because moving a trailer park is not feasible).
I get the politics in Arnold are not favorable and I do believe that you had a case where you were treated unfairly. You have to realize that you have associated yourself with Doris who does not have a favorable reputation with many people as indicated by the Mayoral vote. My advice would be to find another candidate to support that is not on either side and to go that route. We need change in City Hall and some of the current people are not the answer and Doris is not the answer. We need people that can think for themselves and do the right thing instead of taking a "side" per say.
I'm glad you got a settlement out of court. Was it enough to cover your legal costs and did it get you out of the assessment for the bridge?
Who is Letusnamenames? Tell me that and I can answer about whether the person was involved in the long effort to ruin my business. I think I am entitled to respond to these attacks on my character, whether or not I live in Arnold.

Regarding the settlement, I can't disclose the exact terms due to a confidentiality provision in the agreement, although anyone can request that information from the City. I will say that the deal which was finally made was one I would have accepted at any time in the preceding 8 1/2 years although, no it did not make up for my 160,000 in legal costs and the enormous time, stress and diversion from other business issues I endured. I sought a settlement always from the first moment the bridge was closed, but the City would never discuss that. I did not litigate to "prove a point" as some claim, although many points were proven. The City forced this litigation to continue all these years, benefiting only Mr. Sweeney, and then suddenly got reasonable soon before they would have to appear in federal court against a highly competent attorney who was going to make Sweeney's ethical "issues" a major part of the case.

The taxpayers got shafted on this bridge deal, as did I and the taxpayers should demand a full investigation. There are some City officials who should be held accountable for their roles in this fiasco.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#116 Apr 20, 2013
Mr. Rosenfeld,

I can tell you that Letusnamenames was not involved in the effort to ruin your business. I know who she is because her girlfriend (yes you read that right) lives in the subdivision adjoining mine and I have worked with the girlfriend on a billboard issue in the past. She didn't get involved in this stuff until the truck park. I won't disclose her name because I respect her privacy just as I do everybody else's.

Could you hit the city with a SLAPP lawsuit to regain your legal fees?
Rob rosenfeld

Deepwater, MO

#117 Apr 20, 2013
I don't know what a slapp lawsuit is but no, the case so settled.
DartMan

Saint Louis, MO

#118 Apr 20, 2013
Rob rosenfeld wrote:
Someone on here said I got a sweetheart deal because of Doris. I'm responding that the deal was approved by council 8-0. If its a sweetheart deal, then why would people like amato moritz etc vote for it? If I got a sweetheart deal why would I continue to fight in court? Do you think I enjoy spending money and time on something like this? Make up your mind what point you're trying to make.
And yes, the nid petition contained a forged signature and The person who submitted the petition, the late mr winkler signed an oath swearing he witnessed the signatures and that statement constituted perjury. There were also false statements under oath in court and depositions by city officials. The city attorney had a conflict of interest and there were about a dozen other seriously crooked things wrong with this deal.
Once mr shockey took over and the insurance company got involved there were reasonable people looking at this instead of the usual suspects and it ended.
There should be an investigation into this fiasco. But you people don't want to know the truth you just want to attack Doris and her supporters.
Please tell us who forged the signature. You want to name the person who submitted the petition, but you will not name the person who forged the signature. Just name the person. Or maybe, it wasn't forged and you just want to stir it up. You have been hanging with the "local City nutjob".
Does Not Matter

Arnold, MO

#119 Apr 20, 2013
The fact that the signature is forged is quite enough! I'm sure you need only look at a few signatures that appear on the NID to ascertain who is the forger! Female for sure. No male has that kind of flourish to their signature. I'm guessing blond, 40's approaching 50....
Rob rosenfeld

Deepwater, MO

#120 Apr 20, 2013
So yor argument is ther was no forgery I was going to lose but moritz and amato voted to give me a sweetheart deal on Doris' recommendation?

Makes sense.
Concerned Citizen

Anonymous Proxy

#121 Apr 21, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
The voters did decide on Mullins. Moss could have stayed in it but he CHOSE to drop out. Missey should have been responsible and he would have not had any problems.
The voters did decide and decided they didn't want Doris or any of her cohorts.
Again, you do not LIVE here. If you don't like the politics then move your business elsewhere.
Don't forget about the choice the citizens had in ramming Crisler back down our throats. Oh wait. The mayor wouldn't allow citizen input! Even held off announcing the name until the last possible minute to keep it legal. And only after publishing several days earlier that he was only asking permission from the council to name someone. But that info was changed from the city website Wednesday evening. Just happened to be pretty convenient that Crisler officially applied for the position on Monday and got his overdue taxes paid on Tuesday. Seems back taxes disqualify those that don't kiss the butt of the current administration, but others with that problem get notified and likely helped to catch up. Seems Crisler has that same issue Sweeney accused Missey of. A constant attempt to subvert the system by avoiding paying taxes. After all, he has been overdue and late for every one of the past 4 years at least. And that's the best the mayor can do???

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