Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#114 Mar 3, 2013
Remember this is what this thread is supposed to be about. Someone chooses to muddy the waters with personal attacks, because they cannot dispute that what happened at the council meeting last Thursday evening WAS A FRAUD.
Five (5) councilpersons elected shall constitute a quorum for the transaction of business. If at any meeting of the council a quorum is not present, the meeting shall stand adjourned until the next regular or special meeting; however, any two (2) members of the council, or the mayor, may have a call of the council and require the chief of police or his delegate to serve upon absent council members, anywhere in the State of Missouri, notice that the council is having a meeting and requesting their attendance; and should any one (1) council member or more of them fail to appear, the two (2) members making the call or the mayor may make and enter an order into the records of the city council stating which council member failed to appear although duly noticed to do so.
Budget and expenditures, approval by ordinance, motion, or resolution required.

See: http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C000-099/0770 ...

77.105. The budget or ANY AUTHORIZATION to expend funds shall be approved by an ordinance, motion, or resolution that is approved by a majority of ALL THE MEMBERS ELECTED to the governing body.

Important words are capitalized. This is essentially a vote to expend funds, and has the same statutory threshold as an ordinance. In fact, the County Council passes them as ordinances per the Charter. That said, it is not about how many are present at the meeting, unlike a non-expenditure resolution, which is a simple majority of THOSE PRESENT. Expenditure authorizations require a quorum of the number of elected members, which is 8. This was the same issue faced by the City when Al Ems passed and Counts left the seat vacant for some 2 months, and the same reason why the 4-2 in favor vote in Fenton the other week to restrict pseudophedrine sales still failed. They also have 8 members, one whom resigned and the seat is vacant and one was absent. The statutory threshold to pass the measure is exactly the same, and because of that it failed, as it needed a 5th Council vote in the affirmative to pass.

It does not matter if you call it an ordinance, resolution or even a motion, they are all the same in this case because it expends funds, which is why the statute refers to "Budget and expenditures, approval by ordinance, motion, or resolution required"
Doris Question

Festus, MO

#115 Mar 3, 2013
I am still confused about Mr.Moss's Vote.
He was not allowed to vote because of a claim he had a personal steak in the matter.
Ok, I can see if he voted to accept the settlement, it may have benefitted him, so maybe he could not vote in that way.
But it is my understanding that voting against the settlement would have hurt him and not helped him. So a vote against would have done nothing good for him.
So why would they not allow him to vote against the settlement if he wished to vote against the settlement? Knowing it would not benefit him, could he have not remained and voted.
Since he did not vote,is he not currently on the prevailing side of the issue, and could he not make a motion to raise the issue again form the prevailing side, have the three that were against it join him, bring the issue back and revote on it at the next meeting and set things right.
wow

Saint Louis, MO

#116 Mar 3, 2013
Doris Question wrote:
I am still confused about Mr.Moss's Vote.
He was not allowed to vote because of a claim he had a personal steak in the matter.
Ok, I can see if he voted to accept the settlement, it may have benefitted him, so maybe he could not vote in that way.
But it is my understanding that voting against the settlement would have hurt him and not helped him. So a vote against would have done nothing good for him.
So why would they not allow him to vote against the settlement if he wished to vote against the settlement? Knowing it would not benefit him, could he have not remained and voted.
Since he did not vote,is he not currently on the prevailing side of the issue, and could he not make a motion to raise the issue again form the prevailing side, have the three that were against it join him, bring the issue back and revote on it at the next meeting and set things right.
Good god people lay it to rest!!!!!!! The vote is over it is better for the city and the taxpayers. Quilty or innocent, this could of cost a whole lot more if it went to court. What part of that do you fools not understand?
All of this could of been avoided with a simple apology from Mr. Moss.
Doris Question

Festus, MO

#117 Mar 3, 2013
Good god people lay it to rest!!!!!

No. If Doris and Moss really feel the vote was wrong, and there is time to correct it, they should do what they feel is right as elected representatives.

They can spend the next month yelling about it as if is a political issue, or take action to correct what they see is a mistake.

Could the prevailing side rules be used in this case?
Letusnamenames

United States

#118 Mar 4, 2013
Lettucenamenames wrote:
<quoted text>
Keeping in mind I just attacked others in this very thread for being a armchair lawyer. I'm such an idiot! Just Saying!
I didn't have to defend anything. Doris has threatened in this thread over her daughter and said she is scared of Mike Evans. She should file a report if she is so concerned for her safety instead of posting it all over the Internet. If she doesn't file a report then one can only deduce that she didn't do it because knowingly filing a false report is a crime in and of itself. So, did Doris file a report with the police against Mike?
concerned

Arnold, MO

#119 Mar 4, 2013
This thread is about the illegal disbursement of funds, $55,000 to be exact by the Arnold City council with a 3-3 tie, that did NOT PASS because it was not a majority of those elected. Please stop muddying the waters with insignificant BS.
Lettucenamenames

Arnold, MO

#120 Mar 4, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't have to defend anything.
What I mean is I can attack people for not being qualified to have an opinion, but I can do the same thing myself. But that's because of my extensive education in the legal fields, in addition to my IT and medial degrees. I also like to say bizarre things like people that are well educated and speak accordingly (big word, sorry)are clearly stupid. But idiots like me that can't reply to one thought with a relevant reply are really quite intelligent.

I also demand everyone's credentials and education experience, but will never do so myself. When the heat is on, I will have one of my other personalities take over.

I'm still an idiot though, just saying.
Letusnamenames

United States

#121 Mar 4, 2013
Proof positive that when they can't answer the question they attack personally. And my only degree is in psychology, not legal or IT.

Watch the news and even an idiot like you can see that filing a false police report is a criminal offense.

So, dd Doris file a report against Mike since she is in such fear of her safety from him? Answer the question or have this labelled as a bad political ploy.
CRMG

Arnold, MO

#122 Mar 4, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
And my only degree is in psychology, not legal or IT.
Sorry, the IT degree is me. I'll have to ask the other voices to see who has the legal degree. It's a busy place with all of us in one noggin.
Letusnamenames

United States

#123 Mar 4, 2013
I think the only person wih multiple personalities is you. You should really seek help. I have a colleague that specializes in MPD here in the office. Im pretty sure he would find your case especially interesting with you running for mayor and all. Let me know and I'll be more than happy to give you his name and number.
Oh No

Arnold, MO

#124 Mar 4, 2013
Gee, I wonder who's employer is going to be informed today their employee is posting during time they are billing for work?
BlahBlahBlah

Arnold, MO

#126 Mar 4, 2013
Doris probably did not file a report against Mike but she is actively trying to enlist her sycophants on her Facebook page to go after him. That is high class all the way.
Really

Arnold, MO

#127 Mar 4, 2013
How often do I need to have my house or rental property inspected?
An existing structures inspection is required if a house is to be sold or a new tenant is moving in. There is an application to fill out and a $50.00 fee.
Do I need an occupancy permit to move into a house?
Yes. Anytime a new resident or tenant moves in to a property, an occupancy permit is required. There is no fee for an occupancy permit.
remember when

Saint Louis, MO

#128 Mar 4, 2013
Peewee always uses that third class city BS as his out to do whatever he wants then declares if you don't like it get a lawyer and fight. Win win for him !
He sings" I'm in the money" every morning in the shower.

Putting that drunkin in the back of a truck snipe sign hanger on here to do his bidding ... Is appalling !
My airplane ? Hahahaha yeah right
Cray Cray

Arnold, MO

#130 Mar 4, 2013
Some of you are all anti-government regulation until you want to snitch on someone and then suddenly you want to be BEST FRIENDS with the powers that be. Hilarious!
Cray Cray

Arnold, MO

#131 Mar 4, 2013
Oh No wrote:
Gee, I wonder who's employer is going to be informed today their employee is posting during time they are billing for work?
What a no-account! That would be an idiot thing to do.
Let There be Light

Arnold, MO

#132 Mar 4, 2013
What's the matter, is the light getting too bright? Are the cockroaches scrambling? Favors are a funny thing, they seem to be the stock in trade here in Arnold. That form of currency will be changing soon, very soon.
Letusnamenames

United States

#133 Mar 4, 2013
Go ahead. If you call though it comes to me since I am self-employed. That's one reason I chose clinical psychology.
Letusnamenames

United States

#134 Mar 4, 2013
BlahBlahBlah wrote:
Doris probably did not file a report against Mike but she is actively trying to enlist her sycophants on her Facebook page to go after him. That is high class all the way.
That's coordinated harassment.
Letusnamenames

United States

#136 Mar 4, 2013
Oh No wrote:
Gee, I wonder who's employer is going to be informed today their employee is posting during time they are billing for work?
Go ahead. The line comes to me since I am self-employed. That's why I chose clinical psychology. Do you want my practice name so you can call?

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