The real plight of the Snowy Plover

The real plight of the Snowy Plover

There are 43 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Dec 9, 2010, titled The real plight of the Snowy Plover. In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

In a recent "My Word" piece, Mr. Uri Driscoll expressed a wide range of opinions and observations regarding the current management practices directed at recovering the threatened Snowy Plover.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Eureka Times Standard.

Billy Bob

United States

#22 Dec 10, 2010
Eric wrote:
Would someone contact Mr. Snowy Plover and tell him to get hold of Mr. Spotted Owl to figure out how to get off the threatened list? What a complete load of crap and we are excited to see what is endangered next, the Ornithodorus Coriaceus perhaps?
That means "Tick" for those who don't habla.
Anyone seen my wolverine or red fox?
Eric

San Francisco, CA

#23 Dec 10, 2010
Billy Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone seen my wolverine or red fox?
Yes, they are out chasing the Snowy Plover.
uri

Santa Rosa, CA

#24 Dec 10, 2010
Why has plover breeding success on beaches dropped since the "restoration" and monitoring began?
Why do plovers need open sand beaches? To escape preditors is the "expert" answer. How do eggs escape from preditors?
According to Colwells 2010 Final report Human cause for nest failure is forth on the list over the last 10 years. It is well behind predation obviously, behind abandoned, behind wind blown sand. Human cause is only more than tidal effects. Yet we are providing more windblown sand by the removal of beach grass. We probably also need to provide counciling for the plovers over abandonment issues. Any ideas out there to stop the tides?
We don't need really these expensive professors out there harrassing the chicks by banding them at birth and drawing the big bad ravens attention. Why not just put some of the inmates out there to guard each of the nests. They could pack a lunch pull up a chair and contemplate their lifes purpose while providing cost savings to the public. They could keep the ravens away, those darn dogs and keep the Fish and Wildlife Service trucks from running over a nest like they did in 2001. Kind of like a living scare crow. Or scare raven. Sounds like a win win win to me.
David

Bristow, VA

#25 Dec 11, 2010
Excellent letter. Based on what we all now know about plovers, we should seriously consider launching a captive breeding program in an attempt to boost plover numbers.
A Simple Answer

United States

#26 Dec 11, 2010
We urge everyone to behave in ways that honor the other
pieces . Could the good professors try studying birth control instead of the plover ?
Science and Modern humans have done nothing but destroy the earth .
When our numbers go down the plovers will go up . It doesn't
take a professor to figure that out .
Little Birdy

United States

#27 Dec 11, 2010
Local Worker makes a good point: CYD (Control Your Dog).
No biologist would dare speak these words for fear of losing all public support.
No birds returning to a "restored" Crissy Field in San Francisco? Count the dog walkers.
No plover recovery after banning vehicles and horses from the beach? Count the dog walkers.

Upsetting the vast dog loving public would certainly bring about the end of the wildlife research industrial complex.
Not good "recovery strategy" for professors...
Dan Edrich

Arcata, CA

#28 Dec 11, 2010
Little Birdy wrote:
Local Worker makes a good point: CYD (Control Your Dog).
No biologist would dare speak these words for fear of losing all public support.
No birds returning to a "restored" Crissy Field in San Francisco? Count the dog walkers.
No plover recovery after banning vehicles and horses from the beach? Count the dog walkers.
Upsetting the vast dog loving public would certainly bring about the end of the wildlife research industrial complex.
Not good "recovery strategy" for professors...
Truer words were never spoke.
Beach-grass use to help compensate for the cruelty to our lands, with the grass gone- everything dies. Yep, under a NEG. DEC. under The Coastal Act, Local Coastal Plan, Long-term Management Plan, Manilas own strategic plan, common sense and the cautionary principle- we have destabilized our shoreline- obviously the 'good professors' know something we don't.
uri

Santa Rosa, CA

#29 Dec 11, 2010
David has the right idea except for the fact this is not an endangered spieces only threatened. There are thousands inland. I to had suggested removing the eggs and replacing them with exploding ones to scare the ravens then incubating the real ones and putting them back out when chicks have grown. That might keep the professors in a job. I still think the inmates would do a better one.
I really encourage you guys to google the snowy plover final report 2010 and see all the trouble these guys go through. It would be a lot more impressive if any of it had a positive result.
Simple makes a good point too. Plover numbers would probably go up if human numbers went down. But unless one of those virus's get us we are here. So is the beach grass. I say let the plovers adapt and quit pestering them. Without question they were doing better when we were not harassing them and tearing up their environment with bulldozers.
Many, but fortunatly not all who want to concider themselves environmentalists have been duped into following these inane practices by people who want to be unchallenged "experts".
Sam

United States

#30 Dec 11, 2010
extinction is forever wrote:
Lil' Birdy-
Ravens and Plovers have both been around for a very long time. how do you explain that there is only a problem now?
What? Now you are saying that humans are not producing enough garbage to keep ravens away from plovers????? What a dick head!

Extinction is forever and all part of the cycle of life.... as George Carlin so wisely said - the earth will eventually shuck all of us off as if we were a fly on an elephant's ass - LET IT GO.
beachgoeroceanlo ver

San Francisco, CA

#31 Dec 11, 2010
I think that less nest/egg/plover to human contacts would be better.
I also KNOW, thanks to the scientists, since the state park restoration began in the Clam Beach area, daily predation rates are down,(Table 6),[I am comparing the years 2001-2005 to the years 2006-2010] at Clam Beach.
But REALLY the State Park's restoration is a long term commitment by the parks to more than plover's interest. They are committed to an ecological reality that will eventually allow for the more than 40 species of bees that live on dunes, and other wildlife that does not use the grass - they need the dune flowers.
TSUNAMI DANGER: I would have to say that when I walk on the shoreline I see the tall-steep European beach grass hills, it all washes away where ever the waves hit it (regular waves even). It was planted to stop wind moving sand - it does not do anything special against the ocean or her waves.
TO BLAME the scientists for low numbers AND at the same time not look at how the birds/eggs dies is not fair - the ONLY years in which humans,dogs, and cars did not destoy eggs are 2001, 2005 and 2010 (3 of the 10 years studied).
And the % of egss hatched?: it was artificially higher in the years prior to the start of restoration thanks to those nest cages that were put up, allowing the eggs to hatch. If it had not been for the predatory bird that clued into those cages and eating adults, that could have kept going strong - RAVENS do watch almost our EVERY MOVE out there.
ALSO it is worth mentioning the restoration area south of Clam Beach - below Vista Point - the European beach grass was contributing to preventing the Mad River from going out to sea - the Mad was heading to the highway - with it removed it is more likely to be able to go directly west (that is good news for highway engineers okay).
I like seeing plovers on the beeach - and the other wildlife - and TRUST ME URI - those thousands of plovers inland that fly the the Caribean - we'll those are for non-coasties. THANKS for reading this superlong bit - please reply
uri

Santa Rosa, CA

#32 Dec 12, 2010
Hi Brian or beach goer,
Why dont you just use your real name.
I am not sure why I should trust you if you dont even own your own words. It was nice to meet you out at the beach today looking at the plovers enjoying the beach with us. I would be happy to talk with you in person again so we could compare notes. You know how to get a hold of me.

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#33 Dec 13, 2010
uri wrote:
Does anyone have anything intelligent to say?
Hmmm, what I got out of it and your past articles is this: poor management practices. Now, it seems to me that this article (in retort to yours) does nothing to discuss or explain "management practices" one way or another, just a historical perspective like wikpedia or something -(this was the complaint about what your "my word" piece apparantly lacked and the retort failed to "stand-up"). So, it appears that your correct, again cuz we all should know it is about grant monies and employment for the environmentlly connected political insiders here locally in Humboldt County. Further, "mismanagement" is directly linked to the #1 cause of the lack of reproduction successes - predators. Now, the garbage thing on the beach or plover habitat is bull - more like ravens and crows from over the coastal bluff that feed at the local shopping centers. So a question: "who kills the predatorial birds due to humans messing-up the food chain and thus concurrently, other species' reproductive cycles and success rates?

Here is a test - take a carton of chicken eggs. Then, lay 'em out here and there. Before you know it, those pesky black predatorial birds had a yummy feast. So, the next false reasoning to shut down rec. uses of beaches will be .......?

Just balme the plovers demise on the development of Arcata, Trinidad, Westhaven and McKinleyville. There, that feels better now.

JL

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#34 Dec 13, 2010
Forgot to generally agree with Uri on this too - RAVENS & CROWS are very keen to see exactly what they want too, when they want too, from a far distance away.

In fact, many an old timer say that Ravens and Crows are very quick learners too - both in extending life and avoiding death.

JL

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#35 Dec 13, 2010
Little Birdy wrote:
Local Worker makes a good point: CYD (Control Your Dog).
No biologist would dare speak these words for fear of losing all public support.
No birds returning to a "restored" Crissy Field in San Francisco? Count the dog walkers.
No plover recovery after banning vehicles and horses from the beach? Count the dog walkers.
Upsetting the vast dog loving public would certainly bring about the end of the wildlife research industrial complex.
Not good "recovery strategy" for professors...
must be one reason why "beach bans and doggy parks" are connected?

Oh wait, was there not two women involved in a dog attack 2 years ago out in Samoa/Manila beach area...pit bulls...injury and hospital.....dogs on beach rippin and tearing stuff up.....dogs associated with irresponsible human expansionisms....... what to do about irresponsible pet owners, hmmmmmm.......

JL
uri

Santa Rosa, CA

#36 Dec 13, 2010
It seems like the way to get the general public to go along with these "management" practices is to do the ol guilt trip. I has worked before but I must say it is getting old and unprovable.
We have another piece almost ready for submission.

The plover walk I did with a group this last Sunday showed a lot of plovers and they did not seem to mind all the activity. Makes one wonder if they may kind of like it. Hard to say but they sure made use of all the foot and hoof prints. It was kinda cool.

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#37 Dec 13, 2010
uri wrote:
It seems like the way to get the general public to go along with these "management" practices is to do the ol guilt trip. I has worked before but I must say it is getting old and unprovable.
We have another piece almost ready for submission.
The plover walk I did with a group this last Sunday showed a lot of plovers and they did not seem to mind all the activity. Makes one wonder if they may kind of like it. Hard to say but they sure made use of all the foot and hoof prints. It was kinda cool.
one things is for sure too; no one yet has accused a human being of eating plover eggs and since the predator birds usually stay away from humans unil a safe distance is me, something too tells me more humans appropriately behaving is probably better than an open invitation for the fox in the henhouse, sts. Really though, it is probably as simple as human popoulation growth and nothing more....other than that the earth has lost many species even before mankind became a serious threat to Bio -Diversity.

Good Job Uri!

JL

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#38 Dec 13, 2010
proofreader was off, lola!

JL
Amazing

Eureka, CA

#39 Dec 14, 2010
FINALLY, we hear from local academics amid a sea of ignorance and a media that occasionally reports the dots, never connecting them.

We're living in the sixth largest extinction event in life's history on Earth, but most of the public and private wealth is invested in keeping the system and its wealthy benefactors increasingly wealthy.

Rapidly extracting ourselves from our wasteful consumption orgy (change) is the only hope for the survival of all species.
jharlan

Fort Jones, CA

#40 Dec 15, 2010
Some species are more successful than others, and it's always been that way. The huge majority of species have in the past either adapted to a changing environment or perished. Could we have saved the dinosaurs? Why? To have a positive effect, environmentalists have to be sensible.
Larry

San Francisco, CA

#41 Dec 16, 2010
I hear that the Snowy Plover is excellent with a hazelnut stuffing although a tad more gamey then a Cornish hen and you have to get by the bones. Once you catch a Plover we recommend a well trained cat and not a shotgun as there is not much left after the blast, usually just feathers.

The Plover goes well with a nice bottle of Chateau d'Yquem but then again if you can afford the wine then do yourself a favor and throw the damn Plover in the garbage and get a cheese sandwich without the bread.

Perhaps a nice Caciocavallo Podolico but of course if you serve either the wine or cheese then someone will think you are a member of the Arcata city council and can afford both at the same time.

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