Charter cities freed from prevailing wages

Full story: Eureka Times Standard

A 4th District Court of Appeals ruling this week means that Fortuna and Eureka, both charter cities, will no longer be legally required to pay prevailing, usually union-level, wages on municipal projects.
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Middle-o-the-str ea m

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May 2, 2009
 
This is probably a good thing for any city smart enough to take advantage of it.
Of course Eureka will fall in line with socialism and require higher costs.

!!The false attempt to lower costs on construction can also contribute to workers becoming dependent upon the municipalities for social services, Borgeson said.!!

How bout false attempt to increase wage? Unions have little use in this day and age. If you don't like your wage get another job. Most non union projects pay better anyway. No union=more money for worker. If employer is unfair to labor there are many state and federal agencies and regulations and laws to apply to an issue.
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May 2, 2009
 
On our way to the Third World.
Different Anonymous

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May 2, 2009
 
Yeah, why should anybody be able to make a living wage? Why would anybody need an income that would allow them to buy a house in the community where they're working. Dirty reds.

Those dang unions and their 40 hour work week, subisidized healthcare, paid vacations, job safety requirements, etc. What have they done for us lately?
ACLU needs an E

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May 2, 2009
 
Unions pricing themselves out of the market. Now there's a surprise..
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May 2, 2009
 
Middle-o-the-strea m wrote:
This is probably a good thing for any city smart enough to take advantage of it.
Of course Eureka will fall in line with socialism and require higher costs.
!!The false attempt to lower costs on construction can also contribute to workers becoming dependent upon the municipalities for social services, Borgeson said.!!
How bout false attempt to increase wage? Unions have little use in this day and age. If you don't like your wage get another job. Most non union projects pay better anyway. No union=more money for worker. If employer is unfair to labor there are many state and federal agencies and regulations and laws to apply to an issue.
You are absolutely correct. The City of Eureka in the past bid their water and sewer replacement projects without the prevailing wage requirement because they got lower bid prices for the work. The City was able to accomplish more with the sewer and water funds collected from rate payers.

It is fiscally irresponsible for the City NOT to offer their locally funded projects as non-prevailing wage projects.

In fact, most of the local contractors who usually win the low bid because they are locally based and do not have to pay to move their equipment in and per diem for their company workers from out of the area.

Because of this, many local contractors pay their employees prevailing wage scale regardless of the local contract allowances.
jason

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May 2, 2009
 
It is interesting how advertising works: Diet fads, sexual impotency, health cures, etc.

It is more interesting how advertising works as mass manipulation. You would never expect to see Jews fighting against Israel, black voting en mass against Obama, or homosexuals voting for prop 8.

But when it comes to the working class, we have workers fighting AGAINST stong worker protections brought by unions.

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"Airborn, invented by a teacher..."
"Unions are bad for labor..."
"ShamWOW!... are you getting this cameraman?"
"Enzyte, for a certain male part..."
Help

Eureka, CA

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May 2, 2009
 
Don't ever be a produce manager or farmer Jason.
You have a way of mixing apples and oranges so that you end
up with rotten fruit.
Lost Coast Alumni

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May 2, 2009
 
This is just another example of the UNIONS trying to run this state into poverty. Look at the Calif. Dept. of Corrections,CHP, CalFire and Teachers unions. Some of these have 90% retirements, what do we was as hard working tax payers get?

They will try to say they earn it because they put their lives on the line every day. Well they are paid for it at a much higher wage every day then they carry it into retirement.

Maybe its time for the people of this state to stand up and push our own laws thru to get what benefits us as taxpayers, last time I looked there was more of us than the people representing us!

Maybe we should start the "Common Sense" party to represent us!
ACLU needs an E

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May 2, 2009
 
Just say NO to union greed goons.
Anony

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May 2, 2009
 
I think the City of Eureka does pay prevailing wages on their contracts and the bids they receive all include prevailing wages.

Does push the costs higher though. Some prevailing wages are based on small rural counties but if there is no specific category such as drywall person in that it then jumps into San Francisco which is a different category and different higher wage and there are plenty of specific categories not covered in the small rural counties section.
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May 2, 2009
 
Have you ever noticed that when unions call a strike that the employees go out, without pay. Then after X amount of time they go back to work
usually with more benefits but seldom make up the loss of wages.
But the union personnel keep earning their pay and get the new benefits.
This is one of the reasons I decided to become an administrative type of
employee. Went to college and eventually did so.
So many union member workers don't seem to realize how much they get
ripped off by their unions.
Yes many do make out in the end but a lot lose out in the end.
Businesses that go out of business seldom end up paying out any benefits at all to former employees.
The union personnel still work for the union.
I have never seen a union go out of business.
Reminds me of our government leaders.
People become unemployed, lose homes, no health insurance, while they keep getting theirs.
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May 2, 2009
 
The Chicago Tribune reports that a "former union officer and two employees of Teamsters Local 743 were convicted in federal court Friday for rigging two elections in 2004": "The three were found guilty on the third day of jury deliberations after a four-week trial in U.S. District Court in Chicago. The federal jury convicted Richard Lopez, the local's former secretary-treasurer, as well as Thaddeus Bania, its former comptroller, and David Rodriguez, an organizer." And President Barack Obama seriously contends the federal oversight to monitor corruption within the Teamsters that has been in place since 1989 pursuant to a consent decree no longer is necessary? The President is either extraordinarily naive or flirting with political corruption.
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Domino 21

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May 2, 2009
 
Hey Eurekans, do you enjoy overpaying for projects? You have so much money laying around. If unions were a good idea there would be more of them. The american people voted with their choices and hence tiny numbers in the unions nationwide. In CA they force you to join. And they are working on a deal nationally that will allow strong arm union tactics, it's called Card Check. And that mess will really damage the economy. But the union bosses will gain power, and will push the sheep in their unions to vote for Regressives.
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May 2, 2009
 
Domino 21 wrote:
Hey Eurekans, do you enjoy overpaying for projects? You have so much money laying around. If unions were a good idea there would be more of them. The american people voted with their choices and hence tiny numbers in the unions nationwide. In CA they force you to join. And they are working on a deal nationally that will allow strong arm union tactics, it's called Card Check. And that mess will really damage the economy. But the union bosses will gain power, and will push the sheep in their unions to vote for Regressives.
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lois wilson

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May 2, 2009
 
Labor unions. It's a 1930's disease.
Choose working harder.
Domino 21

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May 2, 2009
 
Lois, I would contend that some form of amalgamation of working men was necessary, that there was a second tier of society and that the "rich" ran it. And while I do not think that those that have money should automatically run the program. Labor unions, I think, were a necessary step in the building of the US. But what we have now is a government that is all employee all the time combined with the crooked people in the top ranks at the unions.

Now if you mean that the commune-ist concept of joining together to force a government that
is already overstaffed(more members, more money,more influence) to prefer fellow union members.

The problem is that the Union is seductive. Get in and you have work, but you have to do what the union bosses say, think Godfather.

I think that the unions exist only to keep themselves alive. Which is the definition of a parasite.
jason

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May 2, 2009
 
Help wrote:
Don't ever be a produce manager or farmer Jason.
You have a way of mixing apples and oranges so that you end
up with rotten fruit.
You are my ethylene oxide.
ACLU needs an E

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May 2, 2009
 
jason wrote:
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You are my ethylene oxide.
You are our t-butyl mercaptan.
Reinventing the Wheel

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May 2, 2009
 
The city hired the low bid of $350,000 to excavate my street. Then, 12 months later, they had to hire union-trained professionals to do it again when the road collapsed. How is this "cheaper" for Eureka?

Blaming prevailing wages for the failure of Eureka to keep its waste water system balanced with growth is absurd. The developer "good old boys" bought land cheaply, while cleverly financing and winning local elections. Friends keeping friends rich by haphazard zoning changes, clearing the hurdles to build more profitable large homes past infrastructure capacities. They successfully made Eureka the county's national-retail "hub" promising sales tax revenues that never materialized, saturating Eureka with part-time, low-wage jobs that qualify employees for public services. No one bothered building affordable housing for these folks, laying the groundwork for more poverty, homelessness, drug abuse and more crime.

Livable wages, rational Tariffs, and fundamental social services, have always been the foundation of America's middle-class, without which democracy would be unlikely.

Enjoying your weekend?

Thank the union.
Big Barrel Benny

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May 3, 2009
 
In some other states they call it the "Right To work" law.For example, Wyoming is a right to work state, while Nevada is not.

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