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California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

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Bruno24

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Oct 7, 2012
 
MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
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at least Obama favors capital injection into the economy.
the middle class creates the demand, dont you agree??
so keeping cash in their hands is crucial, as capitalism doesnt REALLy work for the masses, as it naturally accumulates wealth at the top.
thus weve had wealth redistribution mechanisms built into the economy of the 20th century...
as opposed to 19th when the robber barrons set thier own prices, and used labor like disposable capital, with no regulation at all on saftey and work conditions or hours.
their actions were the REASON we had the progressive age.
I agree
with you that the world is basically run by the corporate cartels that keep weed illegal at the federal level.
they have SO much to lose by its gained popularity and finding out WHAT other things POT and its derivative chemicals can cure!!
anyone with half a brain can see the profit motive for supressing something as miraculous as cannabis.......... and in the corporate world, one cartel relies on the next..... they definately look out for each other.
peace
Unless it is on kids health and education, and fundamental research, I don't think that to inject capital in the economy makes sense.

It only makes the middle class even more into hostages of the bandits. Your analysis is correct, locally, but this is only due to the facts that they have made an empire on lies. So the money is largely fake. Money injection is a symptom of some Ponzi pyramid.

If capitalism succeeds in separating the powers, and have free media and free advertizing, money will develops on realist values, the trust can come back, and everybody (can) get richer. But as you say, the situation is complex, and locally that might make sense, but for the long run, injected finance = bigger catastrophe later.

With injected money they will continue to build unnecessary weapons, unnecessary medication, and pay unnecessary drug war warriors, drones, etc. Injected economy = we lie, so we give you imaginary money. Money must be valuable through economical realism and trust. Injected finance can only perpetuate the lies. I think. Today the banking system is corrupted by black and grey money, so that it is also in hostage of the bandits.

The simplest manner to regulate drugs, but you can generalize the idea, consists in legalizing them all, and taxing them relatively to their effective social costs. In this case people will pay their beer a bit more, probably, and the insurance company will make cannabis free :)

Just stopping the lies, and coming back to a bit of seriousness, and the valuable money will easily come back too, I think. But influent and unscrupulous corporatism prevail today, that is the main problem.
Ronald

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MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
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yes ronald, we already know that the mitt romney you love is the one on the hidden video talking about how 47% of the electorate need to get a life....weve heard all this randian rhetoric before......luckily it is all tripe that has no bearing on the real world.
ron...?
if repealing glass steigal was multiplier of the sub-prime crisis??? then we should probably reinstate it, as the next huge meltdown(which is imminent any old year now) would be multiplied again by these wall st. bankers and their casino bahavior.
agreed??
im not for nationalizing the banks.....but better citizen oversight is needed.....
they have proven time and time again, that they cant be let alone to handle(responsibly) the world banking system.
MITT DOLEWATER.

Yes. I agree. If Romney is deserving of criticism for his " 47 % " estimation, that criticism is due only because his estimate is too low. Even if the minority of Americans who pay taxes wanted to keep carrying "the voting majority" around on their backs out of Christian charity, it is impossible for them to continue doing so. Those whom the political ruling class keep referring to as "the rich" are now broke.

I doubt Glass-Steagall can be "reinstated" but the banks should end being a slush-fund for the politicians and their gambling buddies. A good start would be to repeal Dodd-Frank. Already this enabling legislation has resulted in the banks tacking on all kinds of "service" charges, charges that prior to Dodd-Frank were provided gratis. Sorta' makes one wonder about the "reforms" the politicians are enacting to "help" consumers, doesn't it?

Incidentally, MITT DOLEWATER. All these "reforms" - including Clinton's strong-arming of banks to provide taxpayer guaranteed loans to unqualified borrowers that resulted in the Obama depression - were done all during times when Romney was not president.

Ronald
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There must be a reason you had trouble potty training your local politican?
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When is the Joy is driving to Hesperia, California?
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President Obama will be visiting Los Angeles, California for star-studded fundraiser concert tonight Sunday, October 07, 2012.

The only republican you might see are the ones protesting or shouting nasty comments. But of course there are BAD ones like the Tea Party Nation member's.
MITT DOLEWATER

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Ronald wrote:
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MITT DOLEWATER.
Yes. I agree. If Romney is deserving of criticism for his " 47 % " estimation, that criticism is due only because his estimate is too low. Even if the minority of Americans who pay taxes wanted to keep carrying "the voting majority" around on their backs out of Christian charity, it is impossible for them to continue doing so. Those whom the political ruling class keep referring to as "the rich" are now broke.
I doubt Glass-Steagall can be "reinstated" but the banks should end being a slush-fund for the politicians and their gambling buddies. A good start would be to repeal Dodd-Frank. Already this enabling legislation has resulted in the banks tacking on all kinds of "service" charges, charges that prior to Dodd-Frank were provided gratis. Sorta' makes one wonder about the "reforms" the politicians are enacting to "help" consumers, doesn't it?
Incidentally, MITT DOLEWATER. All these "reforms" - including Clinton's strong-arming of banks to provide taxpayer guaranteed loans to unqualified borrowers that resulted in the Obama depression - were done all during times when Romney was not president.
Ronald
so deregulation brought down the market......

or ampliefied the effect?? which is essentially the same.

and you want to continue deregulating??

I dont think you know much about this issue.

deregulating the banks are what got us here in the first place.
MITT DOLEWATER

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#12504
Oct 8, 2012
 
PottyTrained wrote:
There must be a reason you had trouble potty training your local politican?
it is hard to curb pure ambition!!!

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MITT DOLEWATER

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Bruno24 wrote:
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Unless it is on kids health and education, and fundamental research, I don't think that to inject capital in the economy makes sense.
It only makes the middle class even more into hostages of the bandits. Your analysis is correct, locally, but this is only due to the facts that they have made an empire on lies. So the money is largely fake. Money injection is a symptom of some Ponzi pyramid.
If capitalism succeeds in separating the powers, and have free media and free advertizing, money will develops on realist values, the trust can come back, and everybody (can) get richer. But as you say, the situation is complex, and locally that might make sense, but for the long run, injected finance = bigger catastrophe later.
With injected money they will continue to build unnecessary weapons, unnecessary medication, and pay unnecessary drug war warriors, drones, etc. Injected economy = we lie, so we give you imaginary money. Money must be valuable through economical realism and trust. Injected finance can only perpetuate the lies. I think. Today the banking system is corrupted by black and grey money, so that it is also in hostage of the bandits.
The simplest manner to regulate drugs, but you can generalize the idea, consists in legalizing them all, and taxing them relatively to their effective social costs. In this case people will pay their beer a bit more, probably, and the insurance company will make cannabis free :)
Just stopping the lies, and coming back to a bit of seriousness, and the valuable money will easily come back too, I think. But influent and unscrupulous corporatism prevail today, that is the main problem.
i agree with much of your analysis esp regarding fiat currency.

but roads, bridges, schools, teachers fire stations, interstate highways, power grid expansions are not "lies"

they are what we use as a society to get from point A to point B in life.......from broke to not so broke.....

our infrastructure needs much improvement.

let me guess??

youre the gary johnson supporter...

I love his position on pot and empire and parially on the fed.

but after that he climbs out of the same clown car as the rest of the primary feild......lets get rid of the government?? and let big business take care of everybody.???? I dont think so.

business has neither motivation nor obligation to see to the ills that are created by the side effects of capitalism.

I keep saying capitalism doesnt work for the masses, and it doensnt.

that is why we have capital injection in the first place...

so the marginalized members of society dont fall off a cliff, while oher memebers are making cash hand over foot.

the marginalized are part of the economy as well?? oui??
First snow

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Xmas comes early.

They're as big as Christmas trees, a police Lt. Michael Ryle said.

Some of the plants are as tall as 10 feet tall.
RiccardoFire

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Oct 8, 2012
 
First snow wrote:
Xmas comes early.
They're as big as Christmas trees, a police Lt. Michael Ryle said.
Some of the plants are as tall as 10 feet tall.
al gore needs a big one for one of his mansions.
CompanyR

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I didn't ask for nor request any type of response from loonies like riccorddoo's.
MITT DOLEWATER

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Oct 8, 2012
 
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>al gore needs a big one for one of his mansions.
lets stick to the issues.

romney is a major outsourcing machine....

lets not elect him president.
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Dole A might, is better for you too.
Ronald

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MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
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so deregulation brought down the market......
or ampliefied the effect?? which is essentially the same.
and you want to continue deregulating??
I dont think you know much about this issue.
deregulating the banks are what got us here in the first place.
MITT DOLEWATER.

You seem to have a very simplistic view of economics. Do you watch much of the "news" that is broadcasted by the Government licensed media?

Ronald
RiccardoFire

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CompanyR wrote:
I didn't ask for nor request any type of response from loonies like riccorddoo's.
Then stop posting your nonsense.
Romney curse

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After Chipotle Mexican Grill anounced their support for Racists Willard Mitt Romney & Paul D. Ryan stockmarket shares are down 37% and still falling.

Customers have fallen away from spending any money at Chipotle's..

Chipotle shares have suffered after Willard Mitt Romney STOPPED AND ATE THERE ONCE, THAT'S ALL IT TAKES JUST ONCE!.

Since Toco Bell didn't allow Willard Mitt Romney or Paul D. Ryan tto stop and eat there, their stockmarket values have gone UP.
NoBlamer 2012

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MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
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lets stick to the issues.
romney is a major outsourcing machine....
lets not elect him president.
the issue is prop 19 you moron

be sure to vote for the brown one who promised to prosecute you under federal law if prop 19 passed

anyone is better than the America hating affirmative action liar in chief
MITT DOLEWATER

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Oct 8, 2012
 
Ronald wrote:
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MITT DOLEWATER.
You seem to have a very simplistic view of economics. Do you watch much of the "news" that is broadcasted by the Government licensed media?
Ronald
actaully ron, the nuts and bolts of the sub-prime meltdown, and what caused it are well publicized.....glass steigal is one of the main culprits, along with HOW bankers then acted. mot people DONT blame the poor, like you do.

it is what gave Obama the political power to pass dodd frank in the first place.

further deregulation will lead to further shenanaagans, and on that point most americans are with ME.(and not you)

the demands of the 99% ers(2011) were actually quite sane and middle of the road, compared to some of the demands of protestors of the last "revolution".

they included reregulating wall st..

as well as reconsidering citizens united and repealing nafta.

two things that should never have been given birth, but for the will of corporate america!! who are ones who benefit from both, while ordinary people get screwed.

first from the political process??? and then their jobs!!

but people like you will always lobby on behalf of corporations to have the economic playing feild further tilted towards the wealthiest americans. tool.
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NoBlamer 2012 wrote:
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the issue is prop 19 you moron
be sure to vote for the brown one who promised to prosecute you under federal law if prop 19 passed
anyone is better than the America hating affirmative action liar in chief
why would he be prosecuting me??

the democratic party of california were the one who helped SPONSORED 215, you foolish liar.

without wall to wall democratics in both the senate and assemby???

do you think 215 would have passed??

prop 19 was a badly writen joke that threw a bone to the right that would have arrested half the gay guys in san francisco.

and off course more than half the growers voted against it out of self interest. I voted for it.

mabey next time they will put something saner and more straight forward on the ballot. and mabey it will pass.

sometime the countiy authorities hide behind federal pot laws, which is hypocritical, because these are the same nice folks who HATE every little other thing ABOUT federal LAWS.
MITT DOLEWATER

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PhreakkyPhroggy wrote:
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B. Hussein Obama is a major "Do Nothing Machine" lets not reelect him.
I think it will be barack for another 4 years, because the rethuglicans have rolled way too far to the right to represent middle america..

sorry, better luck net time??

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