College of the Redwoods trustees get ...

College of the Redwoods trustees get an earful on administration

There are 59 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Apr 7, 2010, titled College of the Redwoods trustees get an earful on administration. In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

Dozens of College of the Redwoods' faculty, staff and students who aired their fears and frustrations about what they see as a toxic administration on Tuesday received a mixed response from the college's Board of Trustees.

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Old Mother Hubbard

Eureka, CA

#22 Apr 7, 2010
Get real wrote:
The way that it works in every single school district from kindergarten thru college is that teachers are prima donnas. They always put themselves first & the students second. They always want more money, more power & less work.
I would like to see what facts, research, analysis, or data you have that would support that claim. Or maybe you have personally visited every single school district and made a tally of the number of "prima donnas?" and how do you identify who is a prima donna and who is not? Of all the types of jobs and professions out there, I would rank teachers, and college professors, as the lowest in their desire for money, power, and less work.
Get real wrote:
They are upset at C/R because they were running the show & Marsee put them in their place.

This is another unfounded claim. How exactly were the faculty "running the show?" Under Crabill, faculty were in fact very divided against each other, and Crabill also made it an open strategy to play staff against faculty, trying to make the staff resentful and angry against the faculty.
Get real wrote:
Now budgets are extremely tight and teachers are playing hardball in negotiation tactics by attacking Marsee and attacking the board publicly. They want to force the board to cave by embarrassing them publicly.
The faculty negotiations have not even started yet. The staff made an exceptional good faith gesture last year in agreeing to "roll over" the contract and not negotiate until this year. If you had heard the comments, you would have seen that none of them had anything to do with any negotiations.
Get real wrote:
But yes, on-line courses are a joke. They are committing fraud on the students who think they are getting something of value.
april showers

Whitehouse, TX

#23 Apr 7, 2010
Hey get real - do you turn down the opportunity to make more and work less? Any worker generally in their right mind does. Not to extremes but normal people want raises, more benefits.

Do you have any idea how many hours the average instructor works when full time? Over 40 hrs with all the extra curricular duties and take home work.
Keep in mind they have to go to college longer and pay those huge fees as most are in immediate debt for a long time upon graduation.

You sound like someone who never had a real job or if so not very long.
the voice of reason

San Diego, CA

#24 Apr 8, 2010
Hey GETREAL moron,
Some people require online courses and still do the same work that the in class students do. Such as veterans deployed overseas. So while they are defending your freedom and bettering themselves, you are showing your ignorance. Maybe YOU should go back to school.
Kamikaze

United States

#25 Apr 8, 2010
So please let me summarize for all of education. This goes for high schools, CR and HSU.
Teachers are great, pure altruistic lighters of the learning flame.
Administrators are all Darth Vader, evil dirty deed doers.
Administrators were all once teachers and all of them get the summers off.
Thanks.
RealStory

Eureka, CA

#26 Apr 8, 2010
Kamikaze,
Nice stereotype...but, the real story is that staff, faculty, and most administrators at CR are struggling to maintain a college under a truly nutty and often angry boss (President Marsee). While the rest of the state is finding ways to cut costs and function, he is expanding sites and promoting class times and places that yield very low returns. Building a low-enrolled McKinleyville site 4 miles from the Arcata site is but one example.
Are there some slacker teachers at CR, or any other school - yes. Are there some competent administrators at CR -yes. That, however, is not the point. This current problem is not an us (faculty) vs them (administrators) conflict. It is virtually the whole school (read the article about the number of staff at this meeting) trying to deal with an incompetent leader who, if not reined in, will run the community's college into the ground.
Get Real again

Eureka, CA

#27 Apr 8, 2010
This is classic hardball CTA bargaining tactics, to attack the administration with all kinds of accusations.

It doesn't matter that negotiations haven't even started yet, the union knows that severe budget cuts require everyone, even teachers, to sacrifice.
Watcher

Arcata, CA

#28 Apr 8, 2010
Looks like the monkeys want to run the zoo....
So true

Eureka, CA

#29 Apr 8, 2010
RealStory: This is truly the Real Story. Members of the community: if you haven't yet, please ask anyone you know who works at CR about Marsee's harmful and unsustainable management style and his vindictive and unscrupulous character. The Board members (and a small handful of over-paid hangers-on) are the only people that Marsee has managed to brainwash and bamboozle--everyone else knows the truth of this story. Unfortunately, the financial train wreck will likely be upon us in full force before the Board finally wises up.
So true

Eureka, CA

#30 Apr 8, 2010
Get Real again wrote:
This is classic hardball CTA bargaining tactics, to attack the administration with all kinds of accusations.
It doesn't matter that negotiations haven't even started yet, the union knows that severe budget cuts require everyone, even teachers, to sacrifice.
And who caused those severe budget cuts? Who screwed up and lost a million dollars of the district's (and taxpayer's) money? Have you bothered to wonder how CR got 1.5 million in the hole this year?
the lost million

Eureka, CA

#31 Apr 8, 2010
The CR ad campaign "You're Worth an Million Bucks" rolled out just before the now fired CFO Ruth Bettenhausen attempted to reveal the missing million to the Board. As early as last semester, Marsee knew that he had to start covering his tracks for his BIG BOO-BOO with another "smoke and mirrors" campaign. This "Million Bucks" campaign seems almost like a tacit admission of his guilt, actually.
Len

Boulder, CO

#32 Apr 8, 2010
Mayer should not be the voice of the faculty in this case. Her history of ethical infractions at the school should negate any legitimacy associated with her comments. She does not represent the faculty or the current faculty leadership.
april showers

Whitehouse, TX

#33 Apr 8, 2010
IF this is all TRUE and can be proven then why is something not being done by the staff and union (or are they)?

When you run into a door at the lower level take the elevator and get to the top. Go to the head people/person at the top of the community colleges.

The hell with messing around with meetings with a board that isn't doing anything but stonewalling you.
Just the facts

Eureka, CA

#34 Apr 8, 2010
Get Real again wrote:
This is classic hardball CTA bargaining tactics, to attack the administration with all kinds of accusations.
It doesn't matter that negotiations haven't even started yet, the union knows that severe budget cuts require everyone, even teachers, to sacrifice.
The College faculty union is not a CTA affiliate. And, attacks and accusations? When you catch someone stealing from you, and call the police to get them caught and taken away, is that an attack?
Just the facts

Eureka, CA

#35 Apr 8, 2010
So true wrote:
RealStory: This is truly the Real Story. Members of the community: if you haven't yet, please ask anyone you know who works at CR about Marsee's harmful and unsustainable management style and his vindictive and unscrupulous character. The Board members (and a small handful of over-paid hangers-on) are the only people that Marsee has managed to brainwash and bamboozle--everyone else knows the truth of this story. Unfortunately, the financial train wreck will likely be upon us in full force before the Board finally wises up.
Actually, I did meet one person last week who really liked Marsee and did not fit any of the types you describe. Maybe, if there are enough people who like him, they will organize and march on the Board with signs at the next meeting?
Just the facts

Eureka, CA

#36 Apr 8, 2010
”We understand that there are individuals in our organization who are struggling with the many changes that CR is experiencing,” Marsee wrote.

This is the most common excuse bad administrators use to throw the blame back onto the people who are making the complaint. Let's see. If I hit you, and you cry, and then I start calling you a wimp for crying, who is at fault here?

He's been repeating this "fear of change" or "struggling with change" mantra from the beginning, because he knew he would get opposition. But, CR people have affirmed many times that change is not the problem. The pace of the change is not the problem. CR employees are a resilient and hard working bunch. They used to change! They've had a lot of changes in the last 5, even 10 years! Heavens sake, things are radically changed every summer! I am not buying that snake oil, fear of change, it's baloney.
annon

Tucson, AZ

#37 Apr 8, 2010
Marsee is a liar and the only reason that the accreditation warning status was lifted was the fact that he obviously lied.
Facts

Oakland, CA

#38 Apr 8, 2010
Okay, here are the facts:

1) The million dollar deficit is a direct result of Marsee miscalculating the rate at which associate faculty are paid. Bettenhausen tried to tell this to the Board, and he tried to have her fired for that sort of behavior. The Board didn't go along with that. She's now on paid administrative leave until June 2011.

2) Marsee wants bonds. He's said that several times at open meetings. In fact, back in the fall, he tried to pull a fast one on the Board by providing them a document to vote on that would have split the district into counties (for the purposes of future bond elections). Someone tipped them off though, and good thing. Had they approved that document, it would have obligated them to a no bid contract with Dale Scott, Inc., the bond consultant that Marsee wanted. And then if the bonds passed, every time that the district spent monies out of the bond, Dale Scott would have received a percentage. No bid contracts are illegal.

3)Marsee misspent a federal Title III grant. As a result of using the monies for items and salaries that weren't allowed, he had to reimburse the grant nearly $160,000.

4) Marsee hired a local architect in violation of the law. The law requires that when you hire an architect for a bid over 15K, you need to do a competitive review of qualifications, but when Marsee hired John Ash (JAG), he just hired him. That's no legal. Also, it's convenient that the Board President, Bruce Emad, is a good friend of John Ash's.

Do you need more? Go read the Northcoast Journal article: http://www.northcoastjournal.com/issues/2010/...
Tax Payer

Eureka, CA

#39 Apr 8, 2010
Sounds like CR has their own million dollar club. They spend the Hardworking taxpayers money as fast and as irresponsibly as they can. They should start budget cuts at the top and work their way down. Budget cuts are coming whether they like it or not. Good riddance.
CommunityNeedsTo Know

Eureka, CA

#40 Apr 8, 2010
Dear Facts,
Please post your facts on the Journal Article blog. There is also confusion on over there about the problems at CR.
The community needs to know the current situation is NOT the typical "faculty vs admin", "union vs management squabble", or "workers not being able to deal with change". This is the case of an incompetent leader abusing the tax payer's trust and leading the community's college to ruin.
oh behave

Oakland, CA

#41 Apr 8, 2010
Have you forgotten all the good things Mr. Marsee has done? When the staff and him weren't getting along in an effort to bring everyone together he offered a two session seminar he personally presented entitled, "Why I Like You, Why I Don't." And when classified staff worked so hard at the beginning of the fall semester he gave them, and them alone, a nice hot dog lunch, complete with chips and a drink. And they were the good hot dogs, all beef. Lighten up and give the guy a break, he's doing the best he can.

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