When you dummy down the laws so that "drunk" means two beers, you eventually run into the truth that it doesn't matter how much campaign money you spend, the country can't afford to put half the population in jail every time they DO NOTHING WRONG. Go back to enforcing DWI laws the way they were when they made sense instead of the pet project of a select few. Guess what? By persecuting the many, your own past is no more clean. Find some other form of penance.This state rep and madd are both nuts. all this talk about the innocent first time offender is a bunch of crap. the first time you get caught is exactly that the first time YOU GOT caught, it does not mean that it was the first time you drank and drove you IDIOTS. Just because something is hard does not mean you throw in the towel which is exactly what mad is doing. I will now look for another organization to support because mad has gone nuts. I hope our local chapter has not gone loco also!
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#21 Dec 29, 2010
#22 Dec 29, 2010
Hey guesss what - I'm going to go get drunk anyways. I don't care about no stinkin' law.
#23 Dec 29, 2010
I just read all of Chip's posts and not only is he eloquent, he is right repeatedly.
MADD is totally out of control; run by a group of single issue types.
Amen Chip, Amen.
#24 Dec 30, 2010
Absolutely agree, and until they are reined in, jury nullification is the main tool to right the wrong as it has been for me for many, many years.
#25 Dec 30, 2010
And you have proof that these accidents would not have happened due to carelessness even if the people were stone sober? No, you don't. And tell us again how ruining the life of someone that has two drinks on the way home (remember, the law keeps dummying down until the thought of a beer is a crime)will bring these people back to life? It won't. And finally, how many people are fried for DWI in accidents that truth to tell were not even their fault had they been stone sober, but because they had a drink, they became the scapegoat and the actual guilty party became the martyr.
Watch the roads daily, traffic laws are broken consistently, but since the driver has not been drinking and no accident is caused (this time), enforcement is very lax.
In the past, DWI laws applied to people that were actually drunk, now it has become nothing but a tool for absolute moralists that have decided that alcohol is the great Satan.
#26 Dec 30, 2010
I do not think it is much different than what is going on now. Probation???? They are too busy to check up on the person such as urine tests, so the offenders still drink and whatever. The police let them go because they do not want the paperwork. These offenders pay their fines and do their time and are back drinking and driving again a year later.
#27 Dec 30, 2010
alcohol is satan pendeja!
#28 Dec 30, 2010
Hey, "It is", are you being sarcastic, sardonic and facetious?
Since: Aug 08
#29 Dec 30, 2010
There is a much better way.
Card every person that purchases any alcohol. If they present a TDL the seller confiscates it and turns it into the TABC and gives the patron the alcohol. Then, the TABC issues a TDL "Texas Drinkers License" in place of the Texas Drivers License. Of course one would still have to present proof of insurance. It could be dubbed...
TEXAS: Drink OR Drive.
#30 Dec 30, 2010
Most people have experienced a DUI/DWI
incident which resulted in injuries or
death. This is Not a get of trouble card.
It is a chance to clear up the court dockets
which clog the court system. A guilty plea
here keeps the system doing what it was meant
to do. This also doesn't ruin a persons 1-time
mistake into a life long felony conviction.
The passage and implementation also mean your
1st time was a prior incident and Now the
2nd will be dealt as such.
According to the reports even MADD realizes
the problem and supports its passage. Who
more than a group of people who know what
the issue translates too.
#31 Dec 30, 2010
OK, a little fact checking here. In Texas DWI is NOT a felony until the THIRD time the individual is caught and convicted, unless there is a child passenger. The first two are misdemeanors.
Which means, the way things stand now, you get caught drinking and driving, which you should know is a) illegal, b) dangerous and c) just plain wrong to begin with. But OK, you get one arrest, pay a fine and are placed on probation. OK, everyone makes mistakes in their lives. Fair enough.
You get caught a second time. There's no excuse. Because, not only do you have a, b and c from above, now you can add d) fail to learn your lesson from the first mistake.
So, some jail time, more probation after that and another hefty fine. You've learned drinking and driving is not a good idea right?
Wrong. You get busted a THIRD TIME for doing the same stupid crap. You're up the creek now, right? Third degree felony, punishable up to 10 years in prison. But no, for most first time FELONY DWIs, it is ANOTHER term of probation, maybe some jail time and ANOTHER big fine.
But certainly those good old boys have learned their lessons now, right. Certainly, with all this probation they've endured, they finally got it through their thick heads that DRINKING AND DRIVING IS AGAINST THE LAW, PERIOD.
But, sadly, no. I cover criminal cases for the local newspaper and you would not believe how many people come before the courts for their fifth, sixth, or even more DWIs. And those are just the ones where they are caught! Putting repeat drunk drivers on probation DOES NOT WORK, because they don't learn from their mistakes. Sure, the taxpayer can agree to give these idiots treatment, but the question is why they aren't undergoing treatment themselves, even after repeat arrests? Perhaps because their drinking has become such a part of their lives that they don't want to stop, which again means they will continue to go out and threaten their lives and the lives of others by driving drunk.
You want to have a few beers on the way home, fine, that's your business. Obviously the constant cries that what your doing is dangerous don't bother you. But if you get caught, or have an accident, or hurt of kill someone, please don't come out and bitch about how unfair the DWI laws are in Texas. You took your chances, you pay your price.
#32 Dec 31, 2010
And of course the special interest groups keep lowering the amount of alcohol constitutes a DWI, while the same driving offense committed while not "impaired" is alright. My wife is 100% disabled from a driver that was not drinking that rear-ended her on the freeway, that's alright. I was injured and my car was totaled by a driver that was seeing how fast his new car would go (again, on the freeway), but he wasn't drinking, so that's alright. My best friend is permanently disabled by a driver because the red light didn't apply to her, but she wasn't drinking, so that's alright. All of these drivers that caused these accidents are back on the street driving because they weren't drinking. DWI laws are not about safety, they are about legislating morality.
#33 Dec 31, 2010
But the fact simply remains that, despite whether the law is designed for safety or legislating morality, the people it is designed to impact are not getting the message. I am sorry that you and yours have been adversely effected by other forms of idiot drivers, but that still doesn't mean that those who purposely choose to drink and impair their judgement before getting behind the wheel should be allowed to get a free pass either. The truth is, the laws which you so many others seem to think are so unfair are supposed to get through the message that drinking and driving is wrong, although too many people choose to ignore it at their peril and the threat of damaging others. And, as I pointed out, drunk drivers already get multiple chances to learn from their mistakes before they hurt or kill someone and many refuse to do so.
So the question is, how would reduce the penalties as they stand now help anything, except give those who don't deserve one yet another chance?
#34 Dec 31, 2010
This would be good change of offering treatment
and a program to show the consequences and pay
for it through constructive measures.
It would be a good 2nd chance for many first
time offenders who statistically won't do it
again. This would also reduce the huge backlog
of cases pending in courts around Texas.
This is a problem with people wanting to throw
the book at these first time offenders. Paying
a fine and it not being a felony would be a
huge relief for the thousands of decent
citizens out there. The people who become
held back because of a failure in judgment
of drinking too much on 1 occasion.
Heavy probation and paying a fine will usually
straighten out this occurrence.
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