Estes Park fireworks display postponed

Estes Park fireworks display postponed

There are 16 comments on the Estes Park Trail-Gazette story from Jun 26, 2012, titled Estes Park fireworks display postponed. In it, Estes Park Trail-Gazette reports that:

Professional pyrotechnicians watch their work during the annual fireworks show over Lake Estes.

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Really

Estes Park, CO

#1 Jun 26, 2012
Calling it a structure fire??!!?? It was a wildfire that burned homes. Call it what it was, be honest. Calling it a structure fire at this point is like closing the barn door after the horses have left.
Actually

United States

#2 Jun 27, 2012
It was cause by a power line rubbing on a tree. Hardly a wildfire, it just happens that houses are packed very tight in that area and were not protected against the spread of fire by clearing nearby vegetation (trees, brush, etc)
Obe Won

Arvada, CO

#3 Jun 27, 2012
Let's keep on building more and closer. We need more building in the mountains
I love how you blame

Estes Park, CO

#4 Jun 27, 2012
the fire on the people who lost their homes. I hope you live in a brick house surrounded by a moat. I'm sure you would be a wonderful counselor to all the people in Fort Collins, Boulder, and Colorado Springs that lost their homes as well. Why don't you get some tact and be thankful that the survivors don't find out who you are and come string you up from the nearest tree.
Because what you

Estes Park, CO

#5 Jun 27, 2012
imply with your total lack of tact is that the people in that area were poor and stupid and thus deserved it. You, meanwhile, who live in your gated community have laminated all your flammable paper items and heat water by pedaling your bicycle generator.
Well I

United States

#6 Jun 27, 2012
dont think that what I implied is that the owners of the property are stupid. I never read that anywhere in that post. I know the area very well and what was said was true. The houses are tightly packed, old and most have trees within just a few feet of the structure. That doesnt mean that the owners are stupid. It just means that their houses are at a higher risk of fire damage if the worst should happen. I'm willing to bet that 75% of the houses up here are exactly the same. I know mine is and its really got me thinking if my shade tree is worth the added risk of fire danger. If you have seen pictures from the area you would see that the houses that were lucky enough to make it through dont have huge trees right near the structure. This in my OPINION was a factor in some of the houses that made it along with the excellent work that our emergency crews did as well Just my thoughts, not trying to lay blame.
Jesse

Arvada, CO

#7 Jun 27, 2012
Waiting for a big snowstorm.
Post your name

Estes Park, CO

#8 Jun 27, 2012
and then say exactly what you said:

Houses are packed very tight in that area and were not protected against the spread of fire by clearing nearby vegetation

And then explain why the houses are packed tight (because the people who live there love living close to others, or because they don't have enough resources to live on their own private 27-acre preserve like you?) and why they were not protected against the spread of fire by clearing vegetation (unless they were too stupid or lazy to do so, which would thus implicate not 75% of the houses, but 99.9% of the houses in all of the mountainous portion of Colorado, unless you live in the middle of a sand dune with a 10-mile radius of sand dune all around you).

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#9 Jun 27, 2012
Obe Won wrote:
Let's keep on building more and closer. We need more building in the mountains
Most of these houses were 1920's-era structures that have been upgraded/remodeled over the years. Get a clue and learn the facts before you post, troll......

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#10 Jun 27, 2012
"I love how you blame" - "Because what you" - "Well I" - "Post your name".......

a bit bi-polar today, eh? Off your meds?
Post your name too

United States

#11 Jun 28, 2012
Post your name wrote:
and then say exactly what you said:
Houses are packed very tight in that area and were not protected against the spread of fire by clearing nearby vegetation
And then explain why the houses are packed tight (because the people who live there love living close to others, or because they don't have enough resources to live on their own private 27-acre preserve like you?) and why they were not protected against the spread of fire by clearing vegetation (unless they were too stupid or lazy to do so, which would thus implicate not 75% of the houses, but 99.9% of the houses in all of the mountainous portion of Colorado, unless you live in the middle of a sand dune with a 10-mile radius of sand dune all around you).
and then maybe we can talk. You are making some pretty funny assumptions. I dont live on a private 27-acre ranch. Far from it actually, my house is 1000 square feet and my lot is 0.1 acres. So nice try. My house is litteraly 50 feet from my neighbor's on three sides. The only side that isnt is the one that is adjacent to the road. It doesnt mean I think that I'm stupid or anybody else that lives in my neighborhood is as you imply. It just means that our houses are at a higher risk of fire if one should start two or three houses away because the flames can spread to the next house easier. Its not about pointing blame guy, its just a FACT. You can either accept it or not. The area that burned is a very old subdivision with typically older construction. The lots are close together. Again, not laying blame or implying people are stupid. Just a FACT. I couldn't give you a blanket reason why most houses dont have the proper vegetation clearance to REDUCE not eliminate fire danger. It could be lazy, it could be that they enjoy having shade trees or maybe they just are unaware or are willing to accept the added risk. New construction in Boulder County is being made to comply with fire mitigation regulations now, so clearly someone must think it helps reduce fire damage.

You are the one that seems to imply that the only people who have enough intelligence or wealth to clear trees near their houses are the rich. Again just a funny assumption you seem to be making. All I was saying is that areas like the one that burned, and that I live in, are at a higher risk of the worst case scenario. I would say that the results of the fire are proof of that. The High Park Fire for example, has burned over 250 homes and 83,000+ acres. Thats 1 for every 332 acres burned, more typical of a wildfire. The Woodland Heights Fire burned 22 homes, 2 outbuildings and only 27+ acres. That's almost 1 structure for each acre burned, more typical of a structure/residential fire.

So again take my posts for what you want. My heart goes out to the people who have to pick up the peices of their lives. I was never trying to lay blame or imply the victims of the fire were at fault. Next...
The more you say

Estes Park, CO

#12 Jun 28, 2012
the more you reveal who you are. Now you are desperately trying to backpedal and disavow any possible connection to your earlier bald assessment of blame. You are unable to accept responsibility for anything, including your world view. Post your street address with your next response so readers can prove in person all of your claims.

To request that we move on to the next topic , after you just left your stinky sh** spread all over this one, is the height of misguided self-assurance. You are a sorry, sad individual for placing the blame for this fire on the victims. I realize it makes you feel better about yourself, and you worry about people bringing flaming torches to burn you from your hidie hole, but grow up, fess up, and post your name so you can get the beat down you deserve, and the public humiliation of being paraded through town behind the fire victims with a "I AM STUPUD" sign on your back.
Sorry man

United States

#13 Jun 28, 2012
but I'm done with you. You are clearly not able to see the points I was trying to make or accept reality. The only person implying I was laying blame is you. The cause of the fire was a power line rubbing a tree, it was able to spread due to the weather but the reason why it burned so many homes is clear in my mind and that is why I said the things I did. Again, not trying to lay blame. Just providing my thoughts on why it did so much damage. Not trying to live in a glass house and throw rocks as you seem to imply. If you can come up with a better explanation of why 22 homes burned in a 27 acre fire than I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, good luck to you!
Dear Sorry Man

Estes Park, CO

#14 Jun 28, 2012
Do you live on 123 Sorry Lane? I have yet to see a real name or real address. Hard to see how you can have such confidence in your assessment and still be unwilling to tell us who you are. If there would have been 39 homes burned in a 27 acre fire, what does that mean? If there would have been 12 homes burned in a 27 acre fire, what does that mean? Nothing. None of it means anything. Just a crap shoot on who lost their homes and why. If you think otherwise, if you think God looks out for you because you are one of the chosen, able to pass judgment and hand out blame, save those of us who are too poor or too lazy the trouble, and just light yourself on fire. Maybe we can blame the cinders on your hair care products, or all the liquor byproducts in your nose hairs.
Still no name or address

United States

#15 Jul 4, 2012
Waiting patiently, the fire victims wait patiently, your name and address, since you are so convinced your opinion is the correct one
Amazingly still no name

Estes Park, CO

#16 Jul 9, 2012
has been provided by our local fire expert. Has he been hauled in by the local authoritays to provide some background on where he was the day of the fire? He is certainly interested in passing blame.

Poor guy. When he finally does come out of hiding, they will have to sift through his ashes to determine if he ever had a spine, or was instead a simple garden slug.

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