Land trust explains the easement process

Full story: Estes Park Trail-Gazette

The concept of a "conservation easement" is in the news as Estes Park citizens discuss the various merits of preserving open space through this legal agreement which is both voluntary and permanent.
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for nuttin.

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a bunch of scared wimps. I would think that this is could be a legal issue that could hold up the April election until a definite decision is made by the EVLT. How about all you legal experts. What say you?
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Lot 5 is under a conservation easement and has a driveway through it. The knolls had buildings on it.They qualified,...is there a back door deal coloring the EVLT's conservation decision of lot 4 ?
The scenic view corridor to the Stanley on entering Highway 36 into the valley would have to be impeded if lot 4 is developed.How could it not?
It seems like lot 4 easily qualify's for most of EVLT's standards.Why the minced rhetoric?
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Estes had NEVER been interested in open space. They consider driveways as open space...enough said. Get real!
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Feb 21, 2014
 
take a look at all the drawings prepared by town staff and the developer. They both come to the same conclusion that the view corridors are not affected.
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View corridors not affected?
I hear there is a "fly over" video prepared showing how the view corridors are handled.The Wellness Center, with it's 50 new hotel rooms is a big project; and it is a valid question to ask about the view corridors.I'll take a look at video and prepared drawings.And then I , a voting resident, will have a better opinion of how "affected" is defined and appertains to lot 4.
And why does the "Town Staff" prepare drawings for a non-government project?
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for no good reason. It is not their job or mission to take up sides in this matter.

There is a driveway BETWEEN lots 5 & 6. There are also ROADS {gasp} inside the National Park. What's your point? That the little bit of open space that is lot 5 is not really open space because there is a driveway next to it? OMG! There's the bypass to the south of it! The horrors!

And. pray tell, other than the ruins of an old cabin, where are all the buildings on the the Knoll that ruin its open space character?

You are grasping at straws, and sounding idiotic while doing so.......
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Lot 5 is under a conservation easement and has a driveway through it. The knolls had buildings on it.They qualified,...is there a back door deal coloring the EVLT's conservation decision of lot 4 ?
The scenic view corridor to the Stanley on entering Highway 36 into the valley would have to be impeded if lot 4 is developed.How could it not?
It seems like lot 4 easily qualify's for most of EVLT's standards.Why the minced rhetoric?
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If that parcel didn't have a conservation easement on it, you could easily envision some slimeball developer building condos right on Black Canyon Creek - just like the fool building those units on Fish Creek that got severely damaged in the flood.....once again, the EVLT involved in a GOOD thing!
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The point is, that when we vote on lot 4, does it qualify for a conservation easement from the EVLT? This would help us with our vote....
OUR vote, for the empowered resident within the Town limits that qualify to register. Seems we are torn, and assailed by plenty of people who cannot vote.Get on board Estes Valley, and have your voices heard !
I had an EVLT member tell me that they want the core of the town developed, while leaving the outlying areas untouched. They then went on to describe how the layout would be if the "wellness center" went through.Well, la-te-da!. We see most of the visitors here in town. And a few more open areas for the visiting families would be functional,and probably would make sense in just about any opinion poll.
Most voters have put the "Wellness Center" to this litmus test ; Why can't it go in an outlying area? such as Good Samaritan...out on dry gulch,devils gulch or otherwise..
Can you blame us, the voter, if we sense something "elitist" .Some straight answers would suffice.Save your pandering for personal issues.
When all else fails

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Tom H wrote:
{....snipped....}.Save your pandering for personal issues.
..... an ad hominem attack to finish up your post! Good to see this T@pix forum hasn't classed up its act recently....
I will be voting NO for the sale of Lot 4, but for different reasons than most - I envision Lot 4 as the perfect location for the relocation of both the municipal building and the Post Office. Both WILL need to relocate someday, and Lot 4 is a perfect "in town but not downtown" location. Of course, this will never happen, and we can expect the UPROAR is a decade of so when the municipal building and the P.O. get relocated way out by Devil's Gulch, or built on top of the old landfill on Elm Road!
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Why not the "ad hominem" attack.When I pressed the issue of whether lot 4 qualifies for a conservation easement. I am the one called : "idiotic"; refer to above posts....
And why would an Estes Valley Land Trust Member say, in the same conversation: that lot 4 does not qualify for an easement, but they have plans for easements after The Wellness Center passes?
Do I mis-read a perceived slight of hand ?....so why wouldn't I look at the EVLT standards and and see, in my uneducated opinion, that lot 4 MAY qualify. The "horrors',"Idiotic ", "grasping at straws"....not very neighborly.
I don't see an ,"when all else fails"strategy. I see a vote in April that will fulfill the Democratic Process and define and mend the cleave between us little folks and the elitist master planners.
Then we might be able to form The Right Nature and Wills of this Valley in a unique and long term way through full,open public forums.
Lets all save the "ad hominem" attacks,or otherwise ,for elsewhere.Or master our own bad habits, and convince thru persuasion and reason.

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