Village GRT rate soars - Ruidoso News

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As of Jan. 1, Ruidoso will shoot to the top of the charts for city-imposed gross receipts taxes, according to a information posted on the New Mexico Taxation and Revenue Department Web site. Full Story
wtf

Ruidoso, NM

#1 Nov 20, 2009
Just what we need, More Taxes, and you thought times were tough before.
Michael Morris

United States

#2 Nov 20, 2009
Is is any wonder their sole economic plan is crafted around trinket sales? I guess that is one way to be #1. Are they going to announce on a banner and in ads. Drew this body by lot, did ya?
Ed in NM

Hobbs, NM

#3 Nov 20, 2009
Congratulations! The highest in the state. Let's all shout we're #1. Will the increase enhance our economy? I guess if cleaning up waste water is considered enhancement, then good job leaders.

Oklahoma city is now implementing phase 3 of their MAPS program utilizing a temporary sales tax to enhance their economy and attract further tourist and businesses.

But I guess I shouldn't be comparing effective leadership.
Just Wait

Clyde, TX

#4 Nov 20, 2009
You think taxes are high now. Wait until 2011 with no racing season.

Score: Forest Guardians- 2 Citizens of Ruidoso and Ruidoso Downs- ZIP.

Did I mention the penalties we'll all pay in the agreement with the State, EPA and Forest Guardians when we stop construction on the plant due to lack of funds? Ouch doesn't even begin to describe the feeling we'll be experiencing.
Taxpayer

Ruidoso, NM

#5 Nov 21, 2009
You can't just pass taxes on to the consumer. The consumer will look at the overall cost and just decide not to buy something.
I own a small business here in town. Thanks for the help.
samgr60

Ruidoso, NM

#6 Nov 22, 2009
You've got to love our city council for doing this for us.There always looking out for our best intrest.Lets just tax the hell out of them.Has anyone seen any improvement in our delapadated streets here in the village?With all this tax money that they get for intrastructure we should have the best roads in the state, next to Taos that is.Thank someone that we'll have a all new city council next year.Yea,yea
Disgusted

Capitan, NM

#7 Nov 22, 2009
I would also like to know about our rotten roads. I think all our money is going to village hall and not where it's supposed to be going. It's so sad the way things are run here. Reminds me of Washington D.C.
pinky

United States

#8 Nov 22, 2009
We have one good council "woman". Get rid of all the rest. We should have been preparing for financing the sewage plant for ages instead of postponing it and doing nothing. Now, only certain people have to pay a huge amount due to the idiocy of the council while others are completely left off the hook, even though they are sure to be added onto the sewer in time. If only they'd imposed a small surtax on water bills for the last ten years, maybe everyone could have participated in funding the project and it wouldn't have been such an albatross for only some.
Herme Lenotre

Capitan, NM

#9 Nov 22, 2009
Not too mention if you go down Palo Alto and Drooping Juniper aren't even using the Sewer. They have been waiting so long to get on the sewer line, they aren't on anything. They are literally just letting their sewage drain underneath their trailers.
Is this leagle? I think not. Where is our code enforcer?
Herme Lenotre

Capitan, NM

#10 Nov 22, 2009
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#11 Nov 23, 2009
Well, I was thinking about moving up there when I retire form the AF and apply for a city job. Having visited your city I found it quite expensive to live ther in the firs tplace. Had already planned on living out of the Ruidoso area and commute. I already carry a 10 gal can of fuel for my truck so I dont have to stop and pay the higher cost in Ruidoso.

Although it seems you all up there need this service pretty bad Planning for this was not done correctly. You should look into recalling your long term incumbents on council for mismanagement.
Alan

Clyde, TX

#12 Nov 23, 2009
Herme Lenotre wrote:
legal
There is no Code Enforcement out in the county. Even in Ruidoso Downs, though, that town doesn't do what projects they promised. Sewer was supposed to start going in to Griffith Drive (where I own property) last year. Word is that the town goofed around and didn't spend the state grant in time so they lost the money!

Sewer was installed into Miriam Drive and behind WalMart under former mayor Bob Miller and the former city manager John Waters (that the dufus Armstrong fired). Miller/Waters also were the ones that got the grant for Griffith Dr. sewer in Agua Fria and all of the new water line and the new well recently installed. They had the new reservoir and numerous water lines installed. I'm not going to even go into all of the streets and drainage done during their tenure.

I didn't always agree with Waters and Miller, but they got stuff done and made the state help pay for it. I am not impressed with what the "replacement" Mayor has done. Bring back Bob Miller!!!!!!!!!
Ed in NM

Hobbs, NM

#13 Nov 24, 2009
You can't just pass taxes on to the consumer. The consumer will look at the overall cost and just decide not to buy something.
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Well I respectfully disagree. If taxes are used to enhance the community or economy then it is a win-win for all. If used for administrator salaries, or poor budget and infrastructure mismanagement, taxpayers will definitely buy elsewhere or revolt.

Study of the Oklahoma City MAPS project will support what a community can do with effective leadership and a temprorary tax. MAPS is now on its 3rd project, all approved by the voters.
A-B-C

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Nov 24, 2009
Forgive me, please, good people of Ruidoso, but I must agree with the small business owners sounding off on this issue. When money is at the very least tight, GRT rates DO impact where I may day trip to from Las Cruces...

If that means my "fix" at Schlotzky's will have to be fewer and farther between or that I can't frequent as many of the 'tourist trap' stores, it's sad, but it's also reality. It's mighty hard to spend what you don't have.

What about new construction in the Village? If those new developments are being connected to the existing sewage system, why not impose a tax there?

The State has a lodger's tax that runs something like $5.00 a night... Is that an option for the Village if you are truly looking to pass the cost of the sewage system on to the tourists Ruidoso counts upon for it's very existence???
Ed in NM

Hobbs, NM

#15 Nov 24, 2009
The State has a lodger's tax that runs something like $5.00 a night... Is that an option for the Village if you are truly looking to pass the cost of the sewage system on to the tourists Ruidoso counts upon for it's very existence???
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If tourists needs are addressed then the $5 fee would be no problem. Enchance the tourist experience and it's win-win, pass along nothing but more costs, they will catch on.
Alan

Clyde, TX

#16 Nov 25, 2009
Ed in NM wrote:
The State has a lodger's tax that runs something like $5.00 a night... Is that an option for the Village if you are truly looking to pass the cost of the sewage system on to the tourists Ruidoso counts upon for it's very existence???
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If tourists needs are addressed then the $5 fee would be no problem. Enchance the tourist experience and it's win-win, pass along nothing but more costs, they will catch on.
You guys are absolutely freakin clueless! It would take 21.5 times as many tourists visiting the area to use lodger's tax to recoup the WW Plant costs (even if state law allowed it- which it doesn't) over twenty years! To put it in perspective, that is 18 million visitors per year instead of the 850,000 we average now. Disneyland or Disneyworld don't have that annual visitation. We're talking 40 million dollars! Now back to an earlier point...if the track leaves (or even keeps this threatening crap going on), revenues will drop sharply and then what are we going to do?
Fart

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#17 Dec 8, 2009
Who likes FARTS?
Pinky

United States

#18 Dec 8, 2009
Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
You guys are absolutely freakin clueless! It would take 21.5 times as many tourists visiting the area to use lodger's tax to recoup the WW Plant costs (even if state law allowed it- which it doesn't) over twenty years! To put it in perspective, that is 18 million visitors per year instead of the 850,000 we average now. Disneyland or Disneyworld don't have that annual visitation. We're talking 40 million dollars! Now back to an earlier point...if the track leaves (or even keeps this threatening crap going on), revenues will drop sharply and then what are we going to do?
Your post makes sense. However, maybe the funding for the WW Plant will have to come from various budgets. While postponing the inevitable, the town should have been collecting monies for its eventuality instead of the last minute pilfering from certain people and groups that seem to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
ahhhhaaaaa

Ontario, CA

#19 Dec 8, 2009
Alan,
Your post is reminiscent of the nursery rhyme about "the sky is falling"!!!! If you were following the treatment plant financing you would remember that a 12 million $$ bond was presented for a vote by the Mayor(L. RAY)(might have been in 2007?) He made the statement that we only needed another 15 million and that the legislature had committed to 5 million $$ a year to make up that 15 million so we should go ahead and commit ourselves to the bond....and we did....and the money never came from the legislature.(Obviously the mayor just misunderstood???) SURPRISE.
So now we have committed to another loan from the EID to take care of that little shortfall. Oh, and but for the grace of whatever, we received stimulus money to finish up the job.
Rather than committing ourselves to the aforementioned bond, which we are paying back through increased water/sewer rates, we might have investigated all avenues for a $5.00 per night "bed" tax.
Let's do a little math-
3500 beds in the town-44% occupancy@$5.00 per night=$2,810,000 per year.....would go a long ways to pay off a bond.
You don't want to know how much that bond is really going to cost us with interest.
BUT, the VOR attorney has said with all certainty and no documentation to back up his opinion, that
we cannot implement a bed tax.....and after all, we pay him well for shooting off the hip!!!!

Pinky is right, we should have been collecting money for the plant-we also have infrastructure problems, moving the sewer out of the river, road and paving issues.....are we putting anything aside for that????? We could gather up some future cash if we weren't paying some pretty high saleries and creating more positions???????
Ed in NM

Hobbs, NM

#20 Dec 9, 2009
You guys are absolutely freakin clueless!
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Okay, great debating skills. So let's do nothing and watch fewer and fewer tourist come to the town because it is falling apart with nothing to do except stare at the cool pines. A bed tax is only ONE option. But you cannot, repeat, cannot continue to tax tourist and residents without giving somethign back in return. Either the quality of the tourism experience, or quality of life must be enhanced or people will leave.

Please go spend a few weeks in Oklahoma City and tell the leaders there how clueless their efforts were.

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