Pope Ben The Stench Of Evil

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Wile E Zygote

Erie, PA

#1 Feb 11, 2013
In 1979, an 11-year-old German boy identified as Wilfried F. was taken on a vacation trip to the mountains by a priest. After that, he was administered alcohol, locked in his bedroom, stripped naked, and forced to suck the penis of his confessor.(Why do we limit ourselves to calling this sort of thing "abuse"?) The offending cleric was transferred from Essen to Munich for "therapy" by a decision of then-Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger, and assurances were given that he would no longer have children in his care. But it took no time for Ratzinger's deputy, Vicar General Gerhard Gruber, to return him to "pastoral" work, where he soon enough resumed his career of sexual assault.

It is, of course, claimed, and it will no doubt later be partially un-claimed, that Ratzinger himself knew nothing of this second outrage. I quote, here, from the Rev. Thomas Doyle, a former employee of the Vatican Embassy in Washington and an early critic of the Catholic Church's sloth in responding to child-rape allegations. "Nonsense," he says. "Pope Benedict is a micromanager. He's the old style. Anything like that would necessarily have been brought to his attention. Tell the vicar general to find a better line. What he's trying to do, obviously, is protect the pope."

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8m2a
Wile E Zygote

Erie, PA

#2 Feb 11, 2013
Very much more serious is the role of Joseph Ratzinger, before the church decided to make him supreme leader, in obstructing justice on a global scale. After his promotion to cardinal, he was put in charge of the so-called "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" (formerly known as the Inquisition). In 2001, Pope John Paul II placed this department in charge of the investigation of child rape and torture by Catholic priests. In May of that year, Ratzinger issued a confidential letter to every bishop. In it, he reminded them of the extreme gravity of a certain crime. But that crime was the reporting of the rape and torture. The accusations, intoned Ratzinger, were only treatable within the church's own exclusive jurisdiction. Any sharing of the evidence with legal authorities or the press was utterly forbidden. Charges were to be investigated "in the most secretive way ... restrained by a perpetual silence ... and everyone ... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office under the penalty of excommunication." (My italics). Nobody has yet been excommunicated for the rape and torture of children, but exposing the offense could get you into serious trouble. And this is the church that warns us against moral relativism!(See, for more on this appalling document, two reports in the London Observer of April 24, 2005, by Jamie Doward.)
Wile E Zygote

Erie, PA

#3 Feb 11, 2013
Not content with shielding its own priests from the law, Ratzinger's office even wrote its own private statute of limitations. The church's jurisdiction, claimed Ratzinger, "begins to run from the day when the minor has completed the 18th year of age" and then lasts for 10 more years. Daniel Shea, the attorney for two victims who sued Ratzinger and a church in Texas, correctly describes that latter stipulation as an obstruction of justice. "You can't investigate a case if you never find out about it. If you can manage to keep it secret for 18 years plus 10, the priest will get away with it."
Observer1

Erie, PA

#4 Feb 11, 2013
You are cutting and pasting Christopher Hitchens false statements about Cardinal Ratzinger's letter, which are refuted here: http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/c... It did not prohibit reporting abuse to civil authorities, but only stated that Church's own internal proceedings were to be kept secret, on the basis of a 1962 Vatican policy issue before Ratzinger was a Cardinal. The abuser could well be prosecuted and jailed before the Church dealt with the abuser's clerical consequences.
Observer1

Erie, PA

#5 Feb 11, 2013
Here's the english translation of the 2001 letter. As you will see, it dealt with the Church's own proceedings regarding grave sins of all kinds, not to the jurisdiction of civil authorities. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resource...
The Church bears plenty of responsibility for inadequate responses to clergy abuse of minors, and is paying a huge price both monetarily and in terms of its moral credibility for its failures. This particular accusation is unfounded.
Wile E Zygote

Erie, PA

#6 Feb 11, 2013
The plain fact, Observer, is that the crimes against children by Catholic priests were, indeed, kept secret by hierarchy who understood, better than you, me, Hitchens, or Douthat just how this Pope wanted his letter to be understood by those to whom accusations of child abuse would likely be reported.

Cardinals Law and Mahony seem to have understood this letter in the same way as Hitchens did. They kept it secret and the rapes continued.
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#7 Feb 11, 2013
Did you guys hear that the pope just got laid off?
cheetos

United States

#8 Feb 11, 2013
He's taking a vatical sabbatical ;o
ben dover

Creston, OH

#9 Feb 11, 2013
How do you get a nun pregnant? Dress her as an altar boy
cheetos

United States

#10 Feb 11, 2013
He should have sold his position to the highest bidder.
why me lord

Sparta, MO

#11 Feb 24, 2013
ever wonder why there are men out there called monks who want to live in a secluded place with other men? really? i know what's going on. do you? ever wonder why a bunch of men like to dress up in long dresses and wear big hats not ever marry women and live together and have only little BOYS CHOIR? really,? you never wondered about that??
why me lord

Sparta, MO

#12 Feb 24, 2013
i have only known men like my dad. he NEVER wore long dresses or wore big ol weird hats, and NEVER hung out where little boys gathered. NEVER had anyone bow down on one knee and kiss his ring. all the men i knew thought it was GROSS to touch another man, ESPECIALLY a little boy. just plain GROSS.... and no one had to tell them, they just KNEW IT WAS GROSS.
would you rip a woman if

Erie, PA

#13 Feb 24, 2013
why me lord wrote:
ever wonder why there are men out there called monks who want to live in a secluded place with other men? really? i know what's going on. do you? ever wonder why a bunch of men like to dress up in long dresses and wear big hats not ever marry women and live together and have only little BOYS CHOIR? really,? you never wondered about that??
Shame on you. Buddhist monks learn self control. Some fail I'm sure, but why is any man or group defined by the mere fact that there's an opportunity?

Why do some monks set themselves on fire or nuns protest until death? Maybe because even before they did that they learned that to hurt another is as if another hurt yourself. There are others obviously who just want their di*k sucked but the lowest common denominator is to care. The abuser is by far the exception.

Would you rape a woman if you knew you could get away with it? That is the moral question before us. The leader who is the exception shows the way, which is not to say we shouldn't crucify the others. But until one is tried or has been proven false, innocent until proven guilty is the way to go.
Y not test e me lord

Erie, PA

#14 Feb 24, 2013
why me lord wrote:
i have only known men like my dad. he NEVER wore long dresses or wore big ol weird hats, and NEVER hung out where little boys gathered. NEVER had anyone bow down on one knee and kiss his ring. all the men i knew thought it was GROSS to touch another man, ESPECIALLY a little boy. just plain GROSS.... and no one had to tell them, they just KNEW IT WAS GROSS.
Maybe he just didn't trust you and kept his KKK dress wearing allegiance to himself. Not to mention that the code of membership is that you have to s*ck another member off. Oh, didn't he tell you that?
Wile E Zygote

Erie, PA

#15 Feb 24, 2013
British Cardinal and voter in the next Papal Pedo election accused by four priests/former priest of "inappropriate contact".

http://tinyurl.com/9wwenrz
Stu Pedaso

Erie, PA

#16 Feb 25, 2013
Bishop claims he was only "giving 'back' to the community".

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