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Coyote

Erie, PA

#1 Dec 21, 2012
The NRA is suggesting that armed security be posted at schools.

Why not?

Even if there was a total ban on weapons styled after military ones how would that stop someone from using one of the millions of these weapons already out there? Or a weapon not banned yet?

The Honor system currently in place for so called gun free zones isn't working.
Coyote

Erie, PA

#3 Dec 21, 2012
wouldratherdoit wrote:
First, I am very saddened by the latest school shooting.
Second, I don't believe in more gun control or bans. It is time to make the schools impossible for an unauthorized intruder to enter or it is time for armed protection for our children. If need be the teachers need to be act 235 certified. We can not protect ourselves without our guns. I even advocate CCW without a permit now as long as you are not breaking other laws.
With the exception of a few States you are breaking the law carrying concealed without a permit, anywhere perhaps other than your home.
cooper

Erie, PA

#4 Dec 21, 2012
because more guns are the answer......just ask Adam's mom.
Coyote

Erie, PA

#7 Dec 21, 2012
cooper wrote:
because more guns are the answer......just ask Adam's mom.
It would be a more immediate solution than anything else. You can't magically uninvent the firearm. There isn't a house to house search and confiscation on the radar, so what do you think should be done?

Calling for a ban is pure politics. It isn't going to do a damn to stop the problem, and thus it allows for further and further restrictions every time it fails.
pee wees wee wee

Erie, PA

#8 Dec 21, 2012
I think if I wanted a gun I'd have one illegally because who wants to do all that paperwork?

Why not a call for anyone to be able to carry any gun at anytime anywhere without any paperwork, boys? Solves the whole "criminal gun" aspect. Correct?

For one, we'll never decide what good mental health is and if anyone can kill anyone anytime in self defense, who cares?(The first line was sort of humorous but what about the answers fellas? Oh. Or chicks ;)
pee wees wee wee

Erie, PA

#9 Dec 21, 2012
Coyote wrote:
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It would be a more immediate solution than anything else. You can't magically uninvent the firearm. There isn't a house to house search and confiscation on the radar, so what do you think should be done?
Calling for a ban is pure politics. It isn't going to do a damn to stop the problem, and thus it allows for further and further restrictions every time it fails.
On this we agree. But to cooper's point, why not any gun anywhere by anyone?
Coyote

Erie, PA

#10 Dec 21, 2012
pee wees wee wee wrote:
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On this we agree. But to cooper's point, why not any gun anywhere by anyone?
Obtained how? Do you really think everyone will just turn them all in? You won't see the ones in the hands of criminals until it they are used again, and again. The wretches that commit these crimes, the armed robber, the drunken fool with a grudge, they won't be turning in their guns.

If it goes down that path, I'm taking my family so far north I'll be able to see anyone coming for days. I've already done the research, the crime rates don't even compare.

I'll leave the dogs of urban blight to feed on each.
Coyote

Erie, PA

#11 Dec 21, 2012
pee wees wee wee wrote:
I think if I wanted a gun I'd have one illegally because who wants to do all that paperwork?
Why not a call for anyone to be able to carry any gun at anytime anywhere without any paperwork, boys? Solves the whole "criminal gun" aspect. Correct?
For one, we'll never decide what good mental health is and if anyone can kill anyone anytime in self defense, who cares?(The first line was sort of humorous but what about the answers fellas? Oh. Or chicks ;)
You don't understand the laws of this country with regards to self defense. You really think it is just the right to kill anyone, anywhere, anytime? Enjoy prison.

I'm done replying to you, it isn't worth my time.
Tim Leary

Erie, PA

#12 Dec 21, 2012
pee wees wee wee wrote:
<quoted text>On this we agree. But to cooper's point, why not any gun anywhere by anyone?
Because its oppressive, extreme, irrational, unconstitutional, tyrannical, immoral, but most of all, like you, it's STUPID, stupid.
mind your own

Erie, PA

#13 Dec 21, 2012
Coyote wrote:
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You don't understand the laws of this country with regards to self defense. You really think it is just the right to kill anyone, anywhere, anytime? Enjoy prison.
I'm done replying to you, it isn't worth my time.
Its like trying to have a debate with a 6 year old isnt it
cooper

Erie, PA

#14 Dec 22, 2012
flak jackets for all elementary school students! we have to protect our kids.
Stu Pedaso

Erie, PA

#15 Dec 22, 2012
Columbine had an armed guard, Fort Hood must have had hundreds carrying the day their shooter killed 13 and wounded 32, Virginia Tech had its own PD and, in Lakewood, WA:

On the morning of Sunday, November 29, 2009, the four officers were working on their laptop computers prior to the start of their shift inside a Forza Coffee Company coffee shop in nearby Parkland, adjacent to McChord Air Force Base. All four were in full uniform, armed, and wearing bulletproof vests.[...]

At approximately 8:15 AM (UTC-8), Clemmons entered the coffee shop, approached the counter, turned around, and opened fire on the four seated officers with a Glock 17 9mm semi-automatic handgun. He also carried a Smith & Wesson .38-caliber revolver. Sergeant Mark Renniger and Officer Tina Griswold were killed as they sat in their chairs, both shot in the head. Officer Ronald Owens was shot in the neck as he stood up and attempted to draw his weapon. Officer Greg Richards managed to fight back against Clemmons and fired his own weapon, hitting Clemmons in the abdomen, before succumbing to a shot to the head. Clemmons then stole Richards's Glocks before fleeing the scene.

Maurice Clemmons was a violent criminal whose 95-year sentence was commuted by Mike Huckabee.

The Glock he used was reported stolen from the car of a "responsible" gun owner a few years earlier.
cheetos

United States

#16 Dec 22, 2012
Stu Pedaso wrote:
Columbine had an armed guard, Fort Hood must have had hundreds carrying the day their shooter killed 13 and wounded 32, Virginia Tech had its own PD and, in Lakewood, WA:
On the morning of Sunday, November 29, 2009, the four officers were working on their laptop computers prior to the start of their shift inside a Forza Coffee Company coffee shop in nearby Parkland, adjacent to McChord Air Force Base. All four were in full uniform, armed, and wearing bulletproof vests.[...]
At approximately 8:15 AM (UTC-8), Clemmons entered the coffee shop, approached the counter, turned around, and opened fire on the four seated officers with a Glock 17 9mm semi-automatic handgun. He also carried a Smith & Wesson .38-caliber revolver. Sergeant Mark Renniger and Officer Tina Griswold were killed as they sat in their chairs, both shot in the head. Officer Ronald Owens was shot in the neck as he stood up and attempted to draw his weapon. Officer Greg Richards managed to fight back against Clemmons and fired his own weapon, hitting Clemmons in the abdomen, before succumbing to a shot to the head. Clemmons then stole Richards's Glocks before fleeing the scene.
Maurice Clemmons was a violent criminal whose 95-year sentence was commuted by Mike Huckabee.
The Glock he used was reported stolen from the car of a "responsible" gun owner a few years earlier.
Visions of sugar plums dancing through your head Stu?
mind your own

Erie, PA

#17 Dec 22, 2012
Stu Pedaso wrote:
Columbine had an armed guard, Fort Hood must have had hundreds carrying the day their shooter killed 13 and wounded 32, Virginia Tech had its own PD and, in Lakewood, WA:
On the morning of Sunday, November 29, 2009, the four officers were working on their laptop computers prior to the start of their shift inside a Forza Coffee Company coffee shop in nearby Parkland, adjacent to McChord Air Force Base. All four were in full uniform, armed, and wearing bulletproof vests.[...]
At approximately 8:15 AM (UTC-8), Clemmons entered the coffee shop, approached the counter, turned around, and opened fire on the four seated officers with a Glock 17 9mm semi-automatic handgun. He also carried a Smith & Wesson .38-caliber revolver. Sergeant Mark Renniger and Officer Tina Griswold were killed as they sat in their chairs, both shot in the head. Officer Ronald Owens was shot in the neck as he stood up and attempted to draw his weapon. Officer Greg Richards managed to fight back against Clemmons and fired his own weapon, hitting Clemmons in the abdomen, before succumbing to a shot to the head. Clemmons then stole Richards's Glocks before fleeing the scene.
Maurice Clemmons was a violent criminal whose 95-year sentence was commuted by Mike Huckabee.
The Glock he used was reported stolen from the car of a "responsible" gun owner a few years earlier.
Fort Hood may have had alot of people trained to use firearms, but it is illegal to carry a personal firearm on a military base.
I would also bet that the only reason the the responsible gun owner left his gun in the car was because of gun free zones not allowing him to carry
Coyote

Erie, PA

#18 Dec 22, 2012
Stu Pedaso wrote:
Columbine had an armed guard, Fort Hood must have had hundreds carrying the day their shooter killed 13 and wounded 32, Virginia Tech had its own PD and, in Lakewood, WA:
On the morning of Sunday, November 29, 2009, the four officers were working on their laptop computers prior to the start of their shift inside a Forza Coffee Company coffee shop in nearby Parkland, adjacent to McChord Air Force Base. All four were in full uniform, armed, and wearing bulletproof vests.[...]
At approximately 8:15 AM (UTC-8), Clemmons entered the coffee shop, approached the counter, turned around, and opened fire on the four seated officers with a Glock 17 9mm semi-automatic handgun. He also carried a Smith & Wesson .38-caliber revolver. Sergeant Mark Renniger and Officer Tina Griswold were killed as they sat in their chairs, both shot in the head. Officer Ronald Owens was shot in the neck as he stood up and attempted to draw his weapon. Officer Greg Richards managed to fight back against Clemmons and fired his own weapon, hitting Clemmons in the abdomen, before succumbing to a shot to the head. Clemmons then stole Richards's Glocks before fleeing the scene.
Maurice Clemmons was a violent criminal whose 95-year sentence was commuted by Mike Huckabee.
The Glock he used was reported stolen from the car of a "responsible" gun owner a few years earlier.
Stolen from a car? Hmm maybe he was related to that worthless POS Sean Penn.

There are some places other than the courthouses, schools and such where one can't carry concealed. Fortunately I can avoid visiting those. Courthouse isn't a bad place to work as the security there means at least that the honor system isn't being used.

How many times will this have to happen before the anti gun crowd admits 'gun-free' zones are poorly named.
bad guys

New York, NY

#19 Dec 22, 2012
Coyote wrote:
<quoted text>Stolen from a car? Hmm maybe he was related to that worthless POS Sean Penn.

There are some places other than the courthouses, schools and such where one can't carry concealed. Fortunately I can avoid visiting those. Courthouse isn't a bad place to work as the security there means at least that the honor system isn't being used.

How many times will this have to happen before the anti gun crowd admits 'gun-free' zones are poorly named.
We call them "target rich environments".
Thanks, Liberals!!
bob mcdowell

Erie, PA

#20 Dec 22, 2012
bad guys wrote:
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We call them "target rich environments".
Thanks, Liberals!!
I hope there is another mass shooting tomorrow. I'm getting rich, and isn't that what its all about here in the good ol' usa?
Stu Pedaso

Erie, PA

#21 Dec 22, 2012
'Personal firearm'? Fort Hood has hundreds of trained 'good guy with a gun' soldiers carrying military issue weapons.

What don't you get about the irresponsibility of leaving a weapon in an unattended car? "Look what you made me do?" Is that your defense? Are you eight years old?
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
Fort Hood may have had alot of people trained to use firearms, but it is illegal to carry a personal firearm on a military base.
I would also bet that the only reason the the responsible gun owner left his gun in the car was because of gun free zones not allowing him to carry
just sayin

Jersey City, NJ

#22 Dec 22, 2012
Stu Pedaso wrote:
<quoted text>'Personal firearm'? Fort Hood has hundreds of trained 'good guy with a gun' soldiers carrying military issue weapons.

What don't you get about the irresponsibility of leaving a weapon in an unattended car? "Look what you made me do?" Is that your defense? Are you eight years old?
It can't be the fault of the person who stole the gun, right kook?
Ft Hood didn't permit guns where the terror attack occurred.
Another "gun free" debacle.
Flava Flav

Erie, PA

#23 Dec 22, 2012
Tim Leary wrote:
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Because its oppressive, extreme, irrational, unconstitutional, tyrannical, immoral, but most of all, like you, it's STUPID, stupid.
If guns are not the problem, what WOULD be the problem with letting anyone have any gun they wanted anywhere? You can make all the smartass comments you wish but if you can't answer the question, just say so.

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