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east side terror

Erie, PA

#1 Mar 26, 2014
Why is the East side leaking into the West side?
Nasty

Canton, OH

#2 Mar 26, 2014
east side terror wrote:
Why is the East side leaking into the West side?
A disease always has to start somewhere. In Erie's case the disease and rot began mainly on the lower east side with adjacent territories the most obvious areas to be infected next.
By now only a complete buffoon could be so ignorant to not see the obvious. Erie has died and like any expired body it becomes the work of vermin to occupy the corpse.
There is no solution now, no answer to turn this ship around. There are no political people capable of moving forward and most importantly, no citizenry to care enough about Erie anymore. People here have packed it in. There is no community pride, there is no expectation that Erie's plight will end. People have withdrawn and concluded that their own personal welfare is all that matters now. While it is normal for everyone to be most concerned about themselves first, in Erie it is now the only thing. No one believes a recovery is possible.
So what happens from this point on ? Those without enough resources remain trapped within the hell holes that best describe the most dire inner city zones. Those residents still moderately safe outside the worst neighborhoods sit nervously wondering if and when the crime, poverty, and undesirables will start to target their once happier streets. Those city dwellers living far enough south and west can hang in there relatively safe as they watch their fellow citizens contend with their daily fears and tribulations. They do this thanking their lucky stars that the non stop spread of deterioration is still a ways off from affecting their turf. Certainly no one in the more affluent areas of Erie cares or is willing to help out the rest who struggle in this septic stew every day. They don't care and they turn their collective backs for good reason. They know that nothing will bring the disease to a halt. If they've lived here long enough to observe the past 40 years or so they are well versed in the politics, ignorance, and apathy that defines Erie best.
srewedrepublic

Erie, PA

#3 Mar 26, 2014
There is one solution.

Get a gun permit, a gun and learn how to protect yourself.
jack

Erie, PA

#4 Mar 26, 2014
Well put, Nasty.
I had a bet with someone two years ago that south of 26th on the west side the middle class neighborhoods would start to feel the pain.[ within the following two years].
He said five years. Guess who won that bet? Point being, the shift is happening faster than everyone thinks. When you refer to "far enough south and west, presumably you mean Millcreek, which is coming under fire. Creekers don't want to admit it, but they are being encroached upon. It is not the haven it once was.
Currently it seems Fairview and summit are safer zones.
Glenwood was hit with their share of robberies. They just had faster response time than other areas of the city. Of course with the tax base being astronomical there, maybe they are entitled.
It's more than just a leak.
We are so mired in bad politics and insane decision making that people have given up, because, short of revolution, there is nothing left to be done.
Alfred E Neuman

Erie, PA

#5 Mar 26, 2014
Nasty wrote:
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A disease always has to start somewhere. In Erie's case the disease and rot began mainly on the lower east side with adjacent territories the most obvious areas to be infected next.
By now only a complete buffoon could be so ignorant to not see the obvious. Erie has died and like any expired body it becomes the work of vermin to occupy the corpse.
There is no solution now, no answer to turn this ship around. There are no political people capable of moving forward and most importantly, no citizenry to care enough about Erie anymore. People here have packed it in. There is no community pride, there is no expectation that Erie's plight will end. People have withdrawn and concluded that their own personal welfare is all that matters now. While it is normal for everyone to be most concerned about themselves first, in Erie it is now the only thing. No one believes a recovery is possible.
So what happens from this point on ? Those without enough resources remain trapped within the hell holes that best describe the most dire inner city zones. Those residents still moderately safe outside the worst neighborhoods sit nervously wondering if and when the crime, poverty, and undesirables will start to target their once happier streets. Those city dwellers living far enough south and west can hang in there relatively safe as they watch their fellow citizens contend with their daily fears and tribulations. They do this thanking their lucky stars that the non stop spread of deterioration is still a ways off from affecting their turf. Certainly no one in the more affluent areas of Erie cares or is willing to help out the rest who struggle in this septic stew every day. They don't care and they turn their collective backs for good reason. They know that nothing will bring the disease to a halt. If they've lived here long enough to observe the past 40 years or so they are well versed in the politics, ignorance, and apathy that defines Erie best.
Good post. However I disagree that there is no solution. Liberal crapola is the problem. If things were done properly, things would be solved. It would take tough medicine and a huge set of balls. However there is none of that on the horizon.
Alfred E Neuman

North East, PA

#6 Mar 26, 2014
Nasty wrote:
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A disease always has to start somewhere. In Erie's case the disease and rot began mainly on the lower east side with adjacent territories the most obvious areas to be infected next.
By now only a complete buffoon could be so ignorant to not see the obvious. Erie has died and like any expired body it becomes the work of vermin to occupy the corpse.
There is no solution now, no answer to turn this ship around. There are no political people capable of moving forward and most importantly, no citizenry to care enough about Erie anymore. People here have packed it in. There is no community pride, there is no expectation that Erie's plight will end. People have withdrawn and concluded that their own personal welfare is all that matters now. While it is normal for everyone to be most concerned about themselves first, in Erie it is now the only thing. No one believes a recovery is possible.
So what happens from this point on ? Those without enough resources remain trapped within the hell holes that best describe the most dire inner city zones. Those residents still moderately safe outside the worst neighborhoods sit nervously wondering if and when the crime, poverty, and undesirables will start to target their once happier streets. Those city dwellers living far enough south and west can hang in there relatively safe as they watch their fellow citizens contend with their daily fears and tribulations. They do this thanking their lucky stars that the non stop spread of deterioration is still a ways off from affecting their turf. Certainly no one in the more affluent areas of Erie cares or is willing to help out the rest who struggle in this septic stew every day. They don't care and they turn their collective backs for good reason. They know that nothing will bring the disease to a halt. If they've lived here long enough to observe the past 40 years or so they are well versed in the politics, ignorance, and apathy that defines Erie best.
Man, what the hell part of Erie do you live in?
Alfred E Neuman

North East, PA

#7 Mar 26, 2014
Alfred E Neuman wrote:
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Good post. However I disagree that there is no solution. Liberal crapola is the problem. If things were done properly, things would be solved. It would take tough medicine and a huge set of balls. However there is none of that on the horizon.
Evidently you rightie whities aren't smart enough to come up with a solution, eh? Must be embarrassing to be stupider than the stupidest of blacks.
Alfred E Neuman

North East, PA

#8 Mar 26, 2014
srewedrepublic wrote:
There is one solution.
Get a gun permit, a gun and learn how to protect yourself.
I'm not against that. But I wonder how many young black males could get a permit. Or put another way, how many young black men have records for stupid shit like minimal pot possession or some other charge whites don't as often get charged with?

I'm no black apologist but some of their complaints strike me as legit.
Alfred E Neuman

Sharon, PA

#9 Mar 26, 2014
Alfred E Neuman wrote:
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Evidently you rightie whities aren't smart enough to come up with a solution, eh? Must be embarrassing to be stupider than the stupidest of blacks.
What's a matter Curtis, being black and used by the left wing con artists got you down? Give your ole lady another good beat down.
Nasty

Canton, OH

#10 Mar 26, 2014
Alfred E Neuman wrote:
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Good post. However I disagree that there is no solution. Liberal crapola is the problem. If things were done properly, things would be solved. It would take tough medicine and a huge set of balls. However there is none of that on the horizon.
The reason I believe there is no solution is because the voters in Erie can be counted on to do one thing and only one thing. The thing that will never change. That thing is to elect the same political party over and over and over. Receiving and accepting the same results that they have become perversely accustomed to.
The current party has run the city for the past 50 years and will do so until the end of time. I say this boldly but in fairness offer all others to prove me wrong. I'm supremely confident that I'll remain correct on this assessment.
Nasty

Canton, OH

#11 Mar 26, 2014
Alfred E Neuman wrote:
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Man, what the hell part of Erie do you live in?
I lived in Erie off and on for 41 out of my 59 years. I currently reside in Millcreek in an isolated subdivision off Sterretania Road. You can't see these homes from the main road which keeps us very separated from all the crap that seems to be seeping into the township lately. Hopefully this admission is enough to piss certain people off.
in the city

Erie, PA

#12 Mar 26, 2014
Nasty wrote:
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I lived in Erie off and on for 41 out of my 59 years. I currently reside in Millcreek in an isolated subdivision off Sterretania Road. You can't see these homes from the main road which keeps us very separated from all the crap that seems to be seeping into the township lately. Hopefully this admission is enough to piss certain people off.
59? If youre under 85, I'll eat my hat!
Alfred E Neuman

North East, PA

#13 Mar 26, 2014
Alfred E Neuman wrote:
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What's a matter Curtis, being black and used by the left wing con artists got you down? Give your ole lady another good beat down.
Loved the song by Curtis Mayfield, Freddy's Dead. Enjoy yo:



PS If a beatin's done right ain't no need for no nother. Word to your mother.
Alfred E Neuman

North East, PA

#14 Mar 26, 2014
Nasty wrote:
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The reason I believe there is no solution is because the voters in Erie can be counted on to do one thing and only one thing. The thing that will never change. That thing is to elect the same political party over and over and over. Receiving and accepting the same results that they have become perversely accustomed to.
The current party has run the city for the past 50 years and will do so until the end of time. I say this boldly but in fairness offer all others to prove me wrong. I'm supremely confident that I'll remain correct on this assessment.
Question first. Do you believe elections should give the voters what they want or give the voters what you want?
Alfred E Neuman

North East, PA

#15 Mar 26, 2014
Nasty wrote:
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The reason I believe there is no solution is because the voters in Erie can be counted on to do one thing and only one thing. The thing that will never change. That thing is to elect the same political party over and over and over. Receiving and accepting the same results that they have become perversely accustomed to.
The current party has run the city for the past 50 years and will do so until the end of time. I say this boldly but in fairness offer all others to prove me wrong. I'm supremely confident that I'll remain correct on this assessment.
To be fair though I'm open to your ideas. What are your solutions that would pass constitutional muster and guarantee success that you can back up with info, statistics or such?
Alfred E Neuman

North East, PA

#16 Mar 26, 2014
Nasty wrote:
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I lived in Erie off and on for 41 out of my 59 years. I currently reside in Millcreek in an isolated subdivision off Sterretania Road. You can't see these homes from the main road which keeps us very separated from all the crap that seems to be seeping into the township lately. Hopefully this admission is enough to piss certain people off.
Have a family member who long ago lived on Sampson Rd, very isolated. Long story short someone shot and killed the mother through the window while all the kids--maybe 10 to 5 years old were in the house--and shot the father's arm off, though he lived. So yeah, there's that about being isolated.
Nasty

Canton, OH

#17 Mar 27, 2014
in the city wrote:
<quoted text>59? If youre under 85, I'll eat my hat!
Born 1954 my friend. You can do simple math, right ?
Alfred E Neuman

North East, PA

#18 Mar 27, 2014
Nasty wrote:
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Born 1954 my friend. You can do simple math, right ?
That explains a lot about you. You're just a cranky old white guy ;)
Nasty

Canton, OH

#19 Mar 27, 2014
Alfred E Neuman wrote:
<quoted text> Have a family member who long ago lived on Sampson Rd, very isolated. Long story short someone shot and killed the mother through the window while all the kids--maybe 10 to 5 years old were in the house--and shot the father's arm off, though he lived. So yeah, there's that about being isolated.
Yes, and there's always a chance that an airplane or a chunk of an asteroid could come crashing through your bedroom ceiling while you sleep killing you and all inside. Those very remote chances of death and destruction are tactics used so often by people in the Erie area.
For instance, whenever anyone mentions they have plans to move out of Erie one day or even when people leave for the winter months you always get the predictable crowd who feel it necessary to provide a litany of reasons why people should never venture from the Erie area. Hurricanes, tornadoes, excessive heat, floods, huge bugs, etc. You name it, the fear mongers come out in droves trying to convince you that every other location outside the Erie area is sure to rain instant death upon you and your loved ones.
I always ask these staunch defenders of this epic failed region why the population keeps decreasing each year. Why if this were the one true mecca on the planet then why aren't people re-locating here and swelling our census to record numbers ? Why isn't Erie on everyone's list as one of America's most desirable places to live ? Funny but they never seem to be able to come up with a good explanation to that.
I know I've expanded my reply beyond your point but it was done to illustrate that even though practically anything is possible, I'll take my chances for safety out here away from all the crap rather than being immersed among the much higher risk zones within the city limits.
Nasty

Canton, OH

#20 Mar 27, 2014
Alfred E Neuman wrote:
<quoted text>Question first. Do you believe elections should give the voters what they want or give the voters what you want?
Often, the key issue that most Americans fail to understand is that America is not a democracy but rather a republic. A democracy would mean that whatever the majority wants that is what will occur. Our forefathers were wise enough to realize that rule could be very dangerous in certain situations. For example, if the majority wanted to ignore all traffic lights, that it was enough to simply look ahead as you approached an intersection and then step on the gas right through it, that would without a doubt cause great problems. But hey, that's what the majority wants. In a pure democracy, no traffic lights would be the law.
In a republic, which is what America is set up to be, elections are held to place people in office the public feels will best represent their desires .However in a republic, elected officials are not bound or expected to always do as the public wishes. In many cases this is very frustrating to the public and certainly we all know of the corruption that takes place at all levels. But, in the example of the traffic signals, elected officials sometimes have to rule wisely despite the opinion of the public and maintain the traffic rules.
So my answer to your question cannot be a one or the other kind of answer. We elect people to public offices wanting them to do as they said they would but there are times when circumstances dictate otherwise. That's why there are elections. It's a chance for the public to fine tune their interests.

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