Millcreek Taxes
A Listener

Erie, PA

#776 Jul 2, 2014
As long as the Joy Center is off the municipal payroll sooner the better. What is wrong with using the Senior Center? Everybody whos anybody knows that is all about giving that lady an overpaid job.
New Governor

Pittsburgh, PA

#777 Jul 8, 2014
Joe had the east and Brian had the west then John was elected and now Brian has the east and John has the west. Has to do more with where the focus is and election timing/term. It's all bs. Past four years of paving they haven't even been using the sticking spray because the truck has had a blown engine. Now it's replaced but any paving by Millcreek in past couple years is shot. Outsource it 100%. Sell the plant. Hey news flash, government needs to manage and get items accomplished not own everything, have numerous business and suck tax dollars to fund them no no. Instead let the market place and competition control costs.
Millcreek Dog

Erie, PA

#778 Jul 8, 2014
McGrath's plan was to be king of the asphalt for All townships,
Westbury Lady

Erie, PA

#780 Sep 2, 2014
The Shmoo wrote:
Stop blaming teachers. Instead of complaining why not become a teacher yourself?
Teachers have no common sense just like McGrath.
Sansteen

Erie, PA

#782 Feb 13, 2015
Father Guido Sarducci wrote:
I gotta no pension, but I gotta good book deal. The royalties, theya trickle in every now and then.
Everything they say about you is true. You're a cheap trouble maker Gino.
A Listener

Erie, PA

#783 Feb 17, 2015
oh boy wrote:
Can't wait until Figaski is able to get his buddy Sue Weber in as the township manager and she makes him director of public safety.
I wonder what John Groh's title will be?
I'm still waiting after all the air Figs and Groh wasted on talk about changing to a council manager government.
mildred

Wattsburg, PA

#784 Feb 22, 2015
Great schools, streets, and Police!
MIllcreeker

Erie, PA

#785 Feb 22, 2015
The Schools are declining
Taxpayer

Erie, PA

#786 Feb 22, 2015
MIllcreeker wrote:
The Schools are declining
Based on what data?
madtax

Erie, PA

#787 Feb 22, 2015
Based on financial ratings, school building ratings, graduation ratings, enrollment ratings and parent survey ratings all completed by multiple state and non-profit organizations. They are easy to find so google it. Not to mention higher class sizes, two less elementary schools, a handful on owned buildings not in use for education yet not collecting tax income, a reorganization of the bond costing an additional four million in interest, removal of school choice, consistent massive cutting of the technology budget.....yet an increase of taxes to the state maximum and then beyond with act 1. Not really an argument of if they've decreased but how much damage has been done and when if at all it can be rectified. Your property value will decrease as a result.
Taxpayer

Erie, PA

#788 Feb 22, 2015
madtax wrote:
Based on financial ratings, school building ratings, graduation ratings, enrollment ratings and parent survey ratings all completed by multiple state and non-profit organizations. They are easy to find so google it. Not to mention higher class sizes, two less elementary schools, a handful on owned buildings not in use for education yet not collecting tax income, a reorganization of the bond costing an additional four million in interest, removal of school choice, consistent massive cutting of the technology budget.....yet an increase of taxes to the state maximum and then beyond with act 1. Not really an argument of if they've decreased but how much damage has been done and when if at all it can be rectified. Your property value will decrease as a result.
Not true. The building ratings were actually pretty good, with the exception of (surprise, surprise) McDowell High School. The graduation rate is four percent above the state average. There's no such thing as an "enrollment rate" (attendance is compulsory) nor any such "parent surveys", save those of parents who chose to send their kids to parochial schools at the end of eighth grade instead of MIHS (where the number one and two reasons are religious education and that's where the parents went). The class size are within recommended guidelines, closed schools still saved money and will eventually move on to tax rolls, the bond refinancing reduced yearly payments to avoid past tax increases. I do agree with you that the cuts to the technology budget have been problematic. Many districts have had to increase taxes beyond the index due to uncontrollable expenses, such as out of control charter school expenses, retirement and health care increases. Yet our millage rates are third lowest in the county, and taxpayers enjoyed an ill advised four out of five years with no increase at all. I also agree that past boards have been ineffective; Solomon, Maynard and Golde were poor leaders (especially the latter). But I do believe things are being right sided now, so if your property value decreases it will not be due to the schools. I recently refinanced our home and the assessed value went up 13% in five years since we bought it. And before you say it, I am not Judy Wheaton, nor any board member or employee of the district. I read Boarddocs and pay attention to details because my children's education is important to me. Being a naysayer does nothing to improve our schools. Be part of the change or move. To Fairview. And pay higher taxes.
Caughey Cathy

Erie, PA

#789 Feb 22, 2015
Taxpayer is an idiot, soon the Erie School District will be better than Millcreek, and by the way Taxpayer, Fairview is twice as good as Millcreek and the tax rate will soon be equal. The school board sure has you buffaloed, maybe you want to buy the island in Presque Isle Bay I have for sale?
Taxpayer

Erie, PA

#790 Feb 22, 2015
Caughey Cathy wrote:
Taxpayer is an idiot, soon the Erie School District will be better than Millcreek, and by the way Taxpayer, Fairview is twice as good as Millcreek and the tax rate will soon be equal. The school board sure has you buffaloed, maybe you want to buy the island in Presque Isle Bay I have for sale?
There's not a single fact in your post ( as usual) so you resort to name calling and speculation (as usual). I challenge you to offer comments of value.
Millcreek Eddie

Erie, PA

#791 Feb 23, 2015
Taxpayer wrote:
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There's not a single fact in your post ( as usual) so you resort to name calling and speculation (as usual). I challenge you to offer comments of value.
That is weak, even for an old lady.
Taxpayer

Erie, PA

#792 Feb 23, 2015
Millcreek Eddie wrote:
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That is weak, even for an old lady.
At least I post under only one name, and you're nowhere close in your (again) baseless speculation. Meet the challenge or be quiet.
Millcreek Eddie

Erie, PA

#793 Feb 23, 2015
Taxpayer wrote:
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At least I post under only one name, and you're nowhere close in your (again) baseless speculation. Meet the challenge or be quiet.
Hey biotch, the Joy Center needs a big mouth like you.
ecoman

Erie, PA

#794 Feb 23, 2015
Taxpayer wrote:
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At least I post under only one name, and you're nowhere close in your (again) baseless speculation. Meet the challenge or be quiet.
I graciously disagree with a few of your comments there taxpayer. Beyond reading boarddocs which is often lacking information, attachments and completely local, try reading information on openpa.org or paschoolperformance.org . They have much more up to date non biased info and you can get informed. You should not compare to the state average but compared to past years to notice the trend/changes(because PA has only 3 or 4 but very large population cities that really impact the state average). Closing the schools did not actually save any money and all board members, Aaron and Bill all have been unable to show a number on paper (in fact total property operational costs actually increased). Tax rates should have been gradually increased yes but it's more about what they are doing with all the increases.(Bang for the buck). All of the tax increases are for labor costs. The bond restructuring yes did decrease our annual payment but that payment increases rapidly and we have not planned at all on how we will budget those payments. The total increase is an additional 4 million cost to us long term to save a few bucks in recent years budgets (kicking the can). All investment has gone into McDowell but mainly in athletics not academics. I challenge you to justify those investments by stating how many new students are moving into the district adding to the tax base because of those costly investments? Zero! Prep gets over twenty million and builds a sports complex so MTSD feels it's compelled to compete on the backs of the taxpayer. I would pay more taxes if it was going to technology or academics but it is hard to justify salary/pensions and athletic expansion. Yet, nearly all of the cuts have been from the elementary schools and technology. Now, answer this...do we get new taxpayers from high school parents or from elementary parents? Where will we get new taxpayers for the next 15...20...25 years and what are these parents looking for in a school? Now, are we investing to be competitively attractive to those new future taxpayers? No. Well then, that is the definition of a decrease in demand for our homes and thus a decrease in property value.(which reduces tax values continually leading to tax rate increases). Quality decreases, rates increase and customers/taxpayers look elsewhere(private/charter/onli ne/other townships) which all remove dollars from the MTSD budget creating even higher tax rates. Snowball effect.
math teacher

Erie, PA

#795 Feb 23, 2015
I like the idea of "where do we get new taxpayers" because they will be needed to support the necessary increases for the MEA.
Taxpayer

Lyndora, PA

#796 Feb 23, 2015
Eco man, your post is too long to include with the "reply" button, but I did want to add that for the most part we agree, with the exception of the following:

Please explain how new windows, ceiling fans, capret and paint, security cameras, renovated cafeteria,, etc that went into Mc Dowell and HVAC, roof repair, etc at two elementary buildings represent expenditures that are "mostly for athletics".

If you've read the websites to which you refer, you'd note that student populations across the state are by and large decreasing, making the point about increasing parents/residents moot. The issue is not growing more residents, it's petitioning Harrisbirg to change the archaic and unfair funding system of our state school that relies so heavily on property taxes. That, my friend, is the relief that homeowners need.
Caughey Cathy

Erie, PA

#797 Feb 23, 2015
Pretty Boy Bizzarro has been quite on property tax relief because he is nothing but a democratic stooge in Harrisburg that is told how to vote by the leadership.

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