Just concerned

Erie, PA

#245 Jan 21, 2014
Millcreek Dog wrote:
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I can sense the fear of the greedy ones, but it is time to take our district back from the abyss. How would our children get "WORSE" education from teachers who care about teaching instead of DOLLARS?
I am referring to the two thirds of the student population who would not be in your so called charter schools. Every dollar that goes to a charter takes away from the education of the public school child. Two charter schools in Millcreek would mean tens of millions less for the majority of the kids for technology, updating facilities, buying new books and materials, etc. Your insistence to misfocus on teachers to the exclusion of reason and logic is astounding. You can't make a school district better by bankrupting it. Name one other district anywhere in which your boneheaded scheme has been implemented successfully. I applaud your fervor to contribute to improving the school district but this cockamamie idea of yours is NOT going to do it.
teachers planet wide

Erie, PA

#246 Jan 21, 2014
Millcreek Dog wrote:
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I can sense the fear of the greedy ones, but it is time to take our district back from the abyss. How would our children get "WORSE" education from teachers who care about teaching instead of DOLLARS?
I don't want a dumb ass kid raised by a dumb ass parent in my classroom at any price. If you think it's easy trying to instruct someone whose mind has suffered from a polluted environment at home be my guest. Homeschool little johnny if you're so smart.
Citizen of Millcreek

Erie, PA

#247 Jan 21, 2014
teachers planet wide wrote:
<quoted text> I don't want a dumb ass kid raised by a dumb ass parent in my classroom at any price. If you think it's easy trying to instruct someone whose mind has suffered from a polluted environment at home be my guest. Homeschool little johnny if you're so smart.
This is so typical of a teacher and her is the reason why:

All or most of these boneheaded teachers are products of liberal universities and liberal professors. So they themselves are liberal to the core, big government, hand out, tax and spend. They don't know any better because they have been die cast as people of the left.
concerned taxpayer

Erie, PA

#248 Jan 21, 2014
Well, we have a district budget in total turmoil and what does our resident airhead we call superintendent do? Not cut to save a tax increase no, "lets spend money to move a parking lot" -- Is this guy nuts or just incompetent?
Disgusted

Erie, PA

#249 Jan 21, 2014
That parking lot has been a problem for twenty years and moving it has been discussed just about as long. If you have ever been near Caughy at arrival or dismissal time and watched hundreds of kids dodging cars to cross the street you would have a clue. Good for Hall for having the balls to finally do something about kids safety. The walkway is second only to this mess in terms of risk.
Nose Knows

Erie, PA

#250 Jan 21, 2014
No no no! Millcreek Dog and all his other posting names can't pay another fifty bucks a month or else he can't afford to pay his Amish builders! He would rather vilify public school teachers who spend forty hours a week with his kids than to look at the pension system as provided by the state, skyrocketing health care costs, and fuel prices for busses. Stop blaming the little guys in the big picture. If you are jealous of teachers pay, go to college, get the job and put up with parents like YOU. And yes, I AM a teacher, and damned proud of it. By the way, Erie City teachers get their health insurance paid for the rest of their lives by the district. Millcreek teachers pay their own monthly premiums. So don't paint us all with the same ridiculously outraged brush.
concerned taxpayer

Erie, PA

#251 Jan 21, 2014
Disgusted wrote:
That parking lot has been a problem for twenty years and moving it has been discussed just about as long. If you have ever been near Caughy at arrival or dismissal time and watched hundreds of kids dodging cars to cross the street you would have a clue. Good for Hall for having the balls to finally do something about kids safety. The walkway is second only to this mess in terms of risk.
Another tax and spend liberal, exactly why this district has gone down the tubes.
Disgusted

Erie, PA

#252 Jan 21, 2014
You'd rather save the cost of a couple of 2 by 4s per household and put kids at risk. Idiot.
the economist

Erie, PA

#253 Jan 21, 2014
I don't think the real problem anyone had is the extra hundred bucks....but the fact that there is no transparency, business logic or return from our investments in the past and thus feel that this is another waste of money....just because the increase is not going to bankrupt must citizens doesn't at all mean that throwing more money at the school district is a good investment.....in the world of business with the reality of budgets when your actually accountable for the money you spend, business owners get squeezed at times too....and in those times something happens...they get creative, innovative and open new doors to new revenue sources and expense controlling......why should the school district have different economic principles? Does an alcoholic get clean by drinking more beer? Obviously we all want a great school district with great teachers but simply paying an ever increasing tax rate isn't the solution....we aren't buying a tv here.....it's a long term investment and we need to all be socially involved in making sure the investment has the best possible return we can get from it.....oh and we all have a dog in this fight because bad school district = unattractive township = no new taxpayers/home owners = decreased property value.... like it or not we HAVE to be all over this budget and make sure our money isn't wasted....again!
Charter or Not

Erie, PA

#254 Jan 21, 2014
Just concerned wrote:
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I am referring to the two thirds of the student population who would not be in your so called charter schools. Every dollar that goes to a charter takes away from the education of the public school child. Two charter schools in Millcreek would mean tens of millions less for the majority of the kids for technology, updating facilities, buying new books and materials, etc. Your insistence to misfocus on teachers to the exclusion of reason and logic is astounding. You can't make a school district better by bankrupting it. Name one other district anywhere in which your boneheaded scheme has been implemented successfully. I applaud your fervor to contribute to improving the school district but this cockamamie idea of yours is NOT going to do it.
That is a completely wrong assessment. You are either ignorant or purposefully lying and misleading. If Millcreek gets hit by a wave of more charter schools say 3 or more in the next few decades then the "two thirds" you refer to will be attending a smaller millcreek public school. That is all!! mtsd will then need to downsize and heaven forbid COMPETE for students even moreso than now!!

With decreased enrollment they will let go of 100's of teachers. They still will receive the alowment of $12k or more for special needs students up to $15k per year - IF the student chooses to attend mtsd. Let the money go to the charter school if parents choose that school over millcreek public! If it is a good school it will stay in business if people hate it, then it will close its doors.

See? This is why public education is under attack. They stand against VOUCHERs and school choice.

It is YOUR tax money! Put it where YOU want it! The appeal process has been changed and teachers unions are shaking in their boots!
Latoya

Buffalo, NY

#255 Jan 21, 2014
If you people move to McKean leave your shi% in the creek.
Tom Morgan

Erie, PA

#256 Jan 22, 2014
Disgusted wrote:
You'd rather save the cost of a couple of 2 by 4s per household and put kids at risk. Idiot.
Hey stupid people, no student has been run over in 40 years by crossing the street from the parking lot. You .are all dumb democrats who want to spend money and be ruled by ignorant directors and lame superintendents .
Charters R Us

Erie, PA

#257 Jan 22, 2014
Charter or Not wrote:
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That is a completely wrong assessment. You are either ignorant or purposefully lying and misleading. If Millcreek gets hit by a wave of more charter schools say 3 or more in the next few decades then the "two thirds" you refer to will be attending a smaller millcreek public school. That is all!! mtsd will then need to downsize and heaven forbid COMPETE for students even moreso than now!!
With decreased enrollment they will let go of 100's of teachers. They still will receive the alowment of $12k or more for special needs students up to $15k per year - IF the student chooses to attend mtsd. Let the money go to the charter school if parents choose that school over millcreek public! If it is a good school it will stay in business if people hate it, then it will close its doors.
See? This is why public education is under attack. They stand against VOUCHERs and school choice.
It is YOUR tax money! Put it where YOU want it! The appeal process has been changed and teachers unions are shaking in their boots!
By definition a charter can only be approved, even by appeal, if it can prove it will provided something that the public school district doesn't. For example, vouchers are usually used for parochial schools because the public ones don't provide a religious education. It is virtually impossible for three charter schools,of any substantial size to be approved in a district of Millcreek's size. Philly or Allentown, maybe, but not Millcreek. Any charter school would first have to find a site that could accommodate a couple of hundred kids. Look how well the Bio Charter did with that. Contrary to what you appear to believe, you can't commandeer an existing public school building to make it a charter. I think the district needs to improve but clearly a "charter district" or even the schools you propose are fatally flawed.
Tom Morgan

Erie, PA

#258 Jan 22, 2014
Charters R Us wrote:
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By definition a charter can only be approved, even by appeal, if it can prove it will provided something that the public school district doesn't. For example, vouchers are usually used for parochial schools because the public ones don't provide a religious education. It is virtually impossible for three charter schools,of any substantial size to be approved in a district of Millcreek's size. Philly or Allentown, maybe, but not Millcreek. Any charter school would first have to find a site that could accommodate a couple of hundred kids. Look how well the Bio Charter did with that. Contrary to what you appear to believe, you can't commandeer an existing public school building to make it a charter. I think the district needs to improve but clearly a "charter district" or even the schools you propose are fatally flawed.
Wrong again boneheads, the state will over ride any district attempt to stop a charter that is deemed to create a "learning" asset any district is lacking.
concerned taxpayer

Erie, PA

#259 Jan 22, 2014
I see in todays paper Hills idea to cut the budget is to have older greedy teachers take early retirement. What a joke. This guy has NO CLUE on how to run a coin laundry let alone a school district.

Hey idiot CUT
Jon Daly

Erie, PA

#260 Jan 22, 2014
Hey McGrath as long as you are selling the water authority why don't you sell your golf course?
Charters R Us

Erie, PA

#261 Jan 22, 2014
concerned taxpayer wrote:
I see in todays paper Hills idea to cut the budget is to have older greedy teachers take early retirement. What a joke. This guy has NO CLUE on how to run a coin laundry let alone a school district.
Hey idiot CUT
I believe you misread the paper. Hall said they are looking to encourage high paid older teachers to retire so they could be replaced with new lower paid teachers, but also whether or not those retiree positions should even be filled or not. For example, Dan Kerr retired as transportation supervisor and that job wasn't filled, along with middle school Spanish and librarians last year. That IS cutting. He said in the paper they are looking at where that can continue with high school electives, even though it may mean increased class size. Unfortunate but true.
Also, the state can't override a district's lack of approval of a charter school if the charter does not meet the state's own basic requirements. You keep ignoring the fact that a charter has to prove it will provide something that the district does not.
snoopy

United States

#262 Jan 22, 2014
So glad i moved from this dysfunctional school district. Used to watch the school board meetings just to watch them fight...like watching a hockey game
the economist

Erie, PA

#263 Jan 22, 2014
About 40 to 50 teachers will accept early retirement from my understanding. Only some of these positions will be refilled hopefully only 15 to 20. The downside is that we are paying the retired teachers with money not yet actually collected and as a state that problem is drastic. My thought it's the teachers are getting out now before pensions and retirement are renegotiated statewide which is smart. The upside is we take people who grew up with in a completely different world and replace them with young people who grew up with computers and the internet, 9/11 and the great recession (aka millennials) and can have them take our education capabilities to the next phase. The kids of today must know the skills of tomorrow....technology budgets can't be slashed by 700,000 a year to pay for salaries and benefits of the teachers of the last millennium....wake up! All across the world schools are implementing early education technology skills like computer programming, network skills, wireless communication etc. & we must use this opportunity of shifting of talent and allow our children the best real education for the world they will work in....Not the world of yesterday or the world of today.
Charters R Us

Erie, PA

#264 Jan 22, 2014
Tom Morgan wrote:
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Wrong again boneheads, the state will over ride any district attempt to stop a charter that is deemed to create a "learning" asset any district is lacking.
And that is exactly what your proposed "charters" can't prove, and you continue to ignore the space issue. Both are critical factors in any charter application. I personally think there is merit in many charter situations, but your motives and lack of knowledge condemn your attempts to manipulate the system. Trying to create charter schools to fire public school teachers as a fiscal issue will fail, thankfully. That is not what charters and vouchers were created to do. They were meant to improve instruction to kids and you've given no evidence whatsoever as to how you propose to accomplish that.

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