Whats's up with the Millcreek School ...
CCT

Cleveland, OH

#249 Sep 21, 2012
Disgusted wrote:
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That is the sad mentality of NNM. Any wanna be politician will be tainted by association.
Mr. Disgusted....You are a stupid dummy.
PW Herman

Pittsburgh, PA

#250 Sep 21, 2012
CCT wrote:
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Mr. Disgusted....You are a stupid dummy.
I know you are, but what am I?
CCT

Cleveland, OH

#251 Sep 21, 2012
Ha Ha HA....that's a good one...I say it sometimes....you are lucky, you are not a stupid dummy.
Monaca Boy

Erie, PA

#252 Sep 21, 2012
Disgusted wrote:
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That would be a travesty. Her last letter to the editor is an embarrassment and has people from surrounding townships glad she is not their neighbor after her comments of self-serving "drama" she works so hard to keep going. Low class and clueless. She needs to SHUT. UP.
Why don't you write a letter stating your side? She must be getting to you guys. Do you date wilga?
Fear of Esser Gino Lou

Erie, PA

#253 Sep 21, 2012
Wow, between the media cutting up the board, mean Palermo and his mad hatter old gal, closeted school employees ratting on Wilga, mad moms and arcane tomes called text books......

This board got used to not having people at those meetings. Spend 100Mil in buckos and you board members wonder why? Geesh. Good luck dealing with all the seniors on fixed incomes that own homes...those people vote.
Koby Rules

Erie, PA

#254 Sep 21, 2012
Diane hasn't said anything taxpayers wouldn't agree with in the newspaper. If the board is so right why worry about Diane?

Disgusted is one of the 8 board members. Tells people to shut up and doesn't believe in the freedom of speech.
Conrads drama Queen

Erie, PA

#255 Sep 21, 2012
Stop calling me names! snif snif I have feelings! Meanies! All of You! Now I hate Stinkcreek people.
Disgusted

Erie, PA

#256 Sep 21, 2012
Koby Rules wrote:
Diane hasn't said anything taxpayers wouldn't agree with in the newspaper. If the board is so right why worry about Diane?
Disgusted is one of the 8 board members. Tells people to shut up and doesn't believe in the freedom of speech.
No, I am not, and many people are saying the same things I am. We are taxpayers and we do not agree with her, nor the manner in which she presents herself. We, for the most part, are just not resorting to pointless diatribes in which NNM supporters resort to profanity and name calling under the guise of free speech, for which all of you, like Diane, should SHUT. UP.
Opinion

Erie, PA

#257 Sep 21, 2012
Disgusted wrote:
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No, I am not, and many people are saying the same things I am. We are taxpayers and we do not agree with her, nor the manner in which she presents herself. We, for the most part, are just not resorting to pointless diatribes in which NNM supporters resort to profanity and name calling under the guise of free speech, for which all of you, like Diane, should SHUT. UP.
Well put, but you are wasting your breath.
Old Yeller

Erie, PA

#259 Sep 22, 2012
Ben Stillsby wrote:
Predictable of this board. Ask a question that tears thier little agendas wide open and get called names like "crazy hat lady" or go after foriegn car owners, or tell everone Gino likes to smoke, or get called a public nuisance by Golde. Like that will make them go away! LOL!
This consolidation won't make the drug problem go away it will make it WORSE at McDowell and you know it. Put over 2,000 kids and mix up 9th with 12th graders and see what happens in one huge school.
We were lied to about saving money by making money on lunch sales from current votech students. They already eat at McDowell now before or after votech, there is no great money being made there now because they don't eat at Erie Co. Votech.
Also the school will need more cafeteria staff because out of one huge cafeteria they will need to serve at least 5-6 lunches. To make better use of time they will need more servers and food prep people. I bet they have to start serving at 10:30AM 1st lunch up till 1:45 just to get all kids scheduled in for lunch.
This happened in other cities. Consolidation doesn't save money.
You board members are feeling threatnened, because you know Gino's got your number.
So the old school has no A/C, but the new one will have brand new central air. Going from zero energy used on electric to a completely AC'ed building...and it will save us money?????

I didn't know Nancy Polosi was on the board.
8 lane Krammer

Erie, PA

#260 Sep 22, 2012
Disgusted wrote:
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No, I am not, and many people are saying the same things I am. We are taxpayers and we do not agree with her, nor the manner in which she presents herself. We, for the most part, are just not resorting to pointless diatribes in which NNM supporters resort to profanity and name calling under the guise of free speech, for which all of you, like Diane, should SHUT. UP.
Thats right you tell 'em we have the power and when all of us are in one room many of us are saying the same things! Ya! Let's play some football! Wilga can wash our backs in the "New" showers.
Opinion

Erie, PA

#262 Sep 22, 2012
Know New McDowell wrote:
<quoted text>Current Millcreek Residents- 53,000+
Millcreek residents that have signed the online petition stated in July with a real name & comfirmed residency in Millcreek- less than 1% of the 53,000+.
The petition can be Googled & numbers confirmed.
If anyone believes the opposition is making the current board or supporters nervous with that amount of support really needs a reality check.
Corry school district got rid of the superintendent for having the audacity to recommend consolidation. The replacement almost bankrupted the district by listening to ill informed public. Corry rehired the former superintendent and is now moving forward with consolidation plans as proposed a decade ago. Time and money lost? Current higher construction costs are higher? You bet. Lets not repeat their mistake.
Know New McDowell

United States

#263 Sep 22, 2012
^ That is some valuable input that is close to home.

What seems to be lost in the bickering is that the cost of maintaining an old building, even a renovated one, is massive. MHS was renovated in the mid to late 80's & needs it again 25 years later.

Nobody wants to spend $100 million. The difficult decision was made to spend it now since interest rates & construction costs are at all-time lows.

A new building has the advantage of not only lowering maintenance, it can be state of the art improving an already solid education, it will be attractive for young families to move/ stay in Millcreek, and utility costs will be drastically reduced with new equipment.

MTSD has the 4th lowest school tax in our region under the current board. How they can suddenly be these evil people in a volunteer position is quite boggling.
Old Yeller

Erie, PA

#264 Sep 22, 2012
"What seems to be lost in the bickering is that the cost of maintaining an old building, even a renovated one, is massive. MHS was renovated in the mid to late 80's & needs it again 25 years later."

^ This encapsulates the entire mindset of those justifying this project. All buildings need maintained. Erie with Colligiate has proven that buildings can be maintained almost indefinitely. This new building will need maintained just the same.

"Nobody wants to spend $100 million. The difficult decision was made to spend it now since interest rates & construction costs are at all-time lows.
A new building has the advantage of not only lowering maintenance, it can be state of the art improving an already solid education, it will be attractive for young families to move/ stay in Millcreek, and utility costs will be drastically reduced with new equipment."

Half true half spin. This seems to be the prevailing pattern I suppose. Interest rates on these bonds are 1.75%-5.00%. That is rather low. Now for the spin - Construction costs are not at all time lows because of extremely high prevailing wages and very expensive materials. The prices of metals on the commodities exchange is going through the roof because of more demand from China and India. Much less the price of other petroleum based building materials.

Corry is a very poor comparison because Corry Area High School has no where near 2,000 students in one building. Being a young highschooler is a challenge in and of itself. It is a time when young people formulate their identity. The larger the school the harder it is for students to develop socially. Too easy to be forgotten as 1 among 2,000+.

We can reduce utility costs now. Install a new boiler, update that or an even better investment would be installing geothermal in the current buildings. Not cheap, but it will give AC and heat still cheaper than a $100,000,000 and will save overtime. I still find fault in your argument that utilities will be cheaper, when we have 0% of electric being used for a central AC unit in the school as it is now, compared to the new one with 100% central air. You added 100% cost right there.

"MTSD has the 4th lowest school tax in our region under the current board. How they can suddenly be these evil people in a volunteer position is quite boggling."

Yes, that is true Millcreek is 4th lowest in taxes NOW. I consider my taxes as they are NOW very fair. Unfortunately this board is working hard on ruining that.

In an attempt to live today at the expense of tomorrow they will add $100,000,000 on top of $60,000,000 current debt. This kicking the can line of reasoning is placing the stability and well being of our community at risk. Meeting fixed and unfixed costs will be impossible. In 2016 more obligations will become harder to meet when the teachers contracts are due to be renewed. Let us assume a fair rate of 3% annual (yr.) increase in teacher pay is the norm. These obligations will be impossible to meet without a tax hike. It could even be worse. If under Act 1 taxes cannot be raised high enough to pay interest on debt, handle the other borderline schools and pay out to teachers a 3% raise....it could lead to a strike. Then the kids pay when teachers strike.

One thing is very clear because of this board Millcreek will no longer enjoy its 4th in the region tax status.
Mike Golde

Erie, PA

#265 Sep 22, 2012
Know New McDowell wrote:
^ That is some valuable input that is close to home.
What seems to be lost in the bickering is that the cost of maintaining an old building, even a renovated one, is massive. MHS was renovated in the mid to late 80's & needs it again 25 years later.
Nobody wants to spend $100 million. The difficult decision was made to spend it now since interest rates & construction costs are at all-time lows.
A new building has the advantage of not only lowering maintenance, it can be state of the art improving an already solid education, it will be attractive for young families to move/ stay in Millcreek, and utility costs will be drastically reduced with new equipment.
MTSD has the 4th lowest school tax in our region under the current board. How they can suddenly be these evil people in a volunteer position is quite boggling.
Spending approx 30 million more to have ONE big school and a 10 million dollar stadium is just a waste of money and young families dont all live above 38th street some even live near the border with harborcreek, You can spin all you want on topix but facts are facts. The eight that voted for this mess will be voted out. P.S. I really dont care that they do it for free.Put that in your latte and drink it!;)
Opinion

Erie, PA

#266 Sep 22, 2012
Lou, Dick Diane and Gino, you are tiresome. The kids are in one school now. It just happens to be two buildings. Every kid is 1 among 2,000 already.

Go ahead and vote all nine board members out. See who takes their places, complain about them, and vote them out, too. The only path to steady improvement in the school district is an informed, stable, cohesive and forward thinking school board. Starting over again and again with new members having the very big learning curve they face is counterproductive and wasteful.

It's ironic that those of you who complain about money may wind up being the true wasteful ones after all. It's never as simple as "facts are facts".
Wilgas Brunetti beaters

Erie, PA

#267 Sep 22, 2012
Old Yeller wrote:
"What seems to be lost in the bickering is that the cost of maintaining an old building, even a renovated one, is massive. MHS was renovated in the mid to late 80's & needs it again 25 years later."
^ This encapsulates the entire mindset of those justifying this project. All buildings need maintained. Erie with Colligiate has proven that buildings can be maintained almost indefinitely. This new building will need maintained just the same.
"Nobody wants to spend $100 million. The difficult decision was made to spend it now since interest rates & construction costs are at all-time lows.
A new building has the advantage of not only lowering maintenance, it can be state of the art improving an already solid education, it will be attractive for young families to move/ stay in Millcreek, and utility costs will be drastically reduced with new equipment."
Half true half spin. This seems to be the prevailing pattern I suppose. Interest rates on these bonds are 1.75%-5.00%. That is rather low. Now for the spin - Construction costs are not at all time lows because of extremely high prevailing wages and very expensive materials. The prices of metals on the commodities exchange is going through the roof because of more demand from China and India. Much less the price of other petroleum based building materials.
Corry is a very poor comparison because Corry Area High School has no where near 2,000 students in one building. Being a young highschooler is a challenge in and of itself. It is a time when young people formulate their identity. The larger the school the harder it is for students to develop socially. Too easy to be forgotten as 1 among 2,000+.
We can reduce utility costs now. Install a new boiler, update that or an even better investment would be installing geothermal in the current buildings. Not cheap, but it will give AC and heat still cheaper than a $100,000,000 and will save overtime. I still find fault in your argument that utilities will be cheaper, when we have 0% of electric being used for a central AC unit in the school as it is now, compared to the new one with 100% central air. You added 100% cost right there.
"MTSD has the 4th lowest school tax in our region under the current board. How they can suddenly be these evil people in a volunteer position is quite boggling."
Yes, that is true Millcreek is 4th lowest in taxes NOW. I consider my taxes as they are NOW very fair. Unfortunately this board is working hard on ruining that.
In an attempt to live today at the expense of tomorrow they will add $100,000,000 on top of $60,000,000 current debt. This kicking the can line of reasoning is placing the stability and well being of our community at risk. Meeting fixed and unfixed costs will be impossible. In 2016 more obligations will become harder to meet when the teachers contracts are due to be renewed. Let us assume a fair rate of 3% annual (yr.) increase in teacher pay is the norm. These obligations will be impossible to meet without a tax hike. It could even be worse. If under Act 1 taxes cannot be raised high enough to pay interest on debt, handle the other borderline schools and pay out to teachers a 3% raise....it could lead to a strike. Then the kids pay when teachers strike.
One thing is very clear because of this board Millcreek will no longer enjoy its 4th in the region tax status.
Great post! Looks like too much common sense for this grp.
Roid Rage Palermo

Erie, PA

#268 Sep 23, 2012
Joe Friday wrote:
It is my belief that the lady asking the question was feisty, not disrespectful.
Mr. Palermo should learn to mind his manners.
Jan Brewer|Millcreek Township
How dare you QUESTION me?! I "KNOW" New McDowell! Besides I could snap you all like a bunch of twigs!
JMV

Erie, PA

#269 Sep 23, 2012
Opinion wrote:
It's ironic that those of you who complain about money may wind up being the true wasteful ones after all. It's never as simple as "facts are facts".
^ This is why Liberalism is considered a fatal disease.
have some fun

Grand Blanc, MI

#270 Sep 23, 2012
JMV wrote:
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^ This is why Liberalism is considered a fatal disease.
It's sad that both liberals and conservatives in our gov are willing to send trillions of dollars each year to build roads, schools, etc in Muslim countries instead of building schools for our children. People bitch about the building of a school here. Where are the signs complaining about the trillions of dollars sent to those who wish to kill us?

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