Gabriel Brothers to leave West Erie P...

Gabriel Brothers to leave West Erie Plaza, move to Summit

There are 70 comments on the Erie Times News story from Sep 25, 2013, titled Gabriel Brothers to leave West Erie Plaza, move to Summit. In it, Erie Times News reports that:

Gabriel Brothers, the discount clothing store, is moving out of the West Erie Plaza and into a new location in Summit Township, dealing another blow to the struggling Millcreek Township shopping center.

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Trevor

Pioneer, OH

#23 Sep 27, 2013
Valerios Subway Barbatos wrote:
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That's something that I didn't think about, the fact that these shopping plazas were full back when people actually had jobs and money to shop there! But they could try to at least funnel some of these new businesses into the empty parts of town instead putting everything onto upper Peach. I remember before all of those stores were up there.
Why go to a plaza that reeks of decay to be treated like crap by store employees when you can buy for less on the internet or motor to Beachwood Place in Cleveland and experience a pleasant shoping experience ? Merchants in erie are so accustomed to catering to low brows and dirt bags that they have forgotten their good clientele. All of Erie's merchants have this attitude. East West North and South.There are a lot of Erie dollars being spent elsewhere.
MoneyMan

Cleveland, OH

#24 Sep 27, 2013
You all struggling with geography?

Colony Plaza is right around the corner and always seems to be 100% occupied.

Taking this into account, obviously the problem in West Erie Plaza is bad property management and not larger market forces.

While Colony Plaza has been improving the buildings over the last few years with new siding, cornices and new signage, WEP has been falling into greater disrepair.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#25 Sep 27, 2013
Trevor wrote:
<quoted text> Why go to a plaza that reeks of decay to be treated like crap by store employees when you can buy for less on the internet or motor to Beachwood Place in Cleveland and experience a pleasant shoping experience ? Merchants in erie are so accustomed to catering to low brows and dirt bags that they have forgotten their good clientele. All of Erie's merchants have this attitude. East West North and South.There are a lot of Erie dollars being spent elsewhere.
You're right about the low brows and dirt bags that Erie stores have to cater to. But it's a cycle that Erie can't get out of.
I remember a story a friend of mine told a few years ago. He is a highly paid senior vp within the Lord Corporation. He is from Erie but no longer living here and he makes seven figures in his position. Anyway, he was golfing with a guy who represented Macy's department stores who happened to be in Erie for business reasons. This guy revealed to my friend that Macy's as well as most other major stores stock their shelves with quality items according to the classification of the store's regional location. He explained that Macy's uses an A through D rating, A as the highest. It's no surprise that Erie is considered a "D" area and is thus stocked with a greater supply of lower quality, lesser grade inventory. This area cannot support and does not justify a store that carries Macy's better goods.
Contrast this with a shopping area you mentioned, Beechwood Mall outside of Cleveland. There are many more stores of higher quality there and, as you mentioned, friendlier store employees who do not have to deal with the "low brows and dirt bags" you described. But then that's mostly what you get here because the populace has allowed itself to become fat and lazy while watching Erie sink further behind. I'm convinced that Erie people are perfectly acceptant of this which will surely lead to more of the same. Oh well, it's Erie. No one cares anymore. But watching the debacle does provide entertainment for this guy who thankfully can watch the train wreck from a safe distance.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#26 Sep 27, 2013
Valerios Subway Barbatos wrote:
Do you think that the "powers that be" take advantage of the apathy around here?
I wish others would voice their opinion! I will keep checking this thread throughout the day.
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Do I think the "powers that be" take advantage of the apathy around here ?
Of course they do ! And for those that don't I say they are fools not to ! I would do the same if I were in their shoes. " A fool and his money are soon parted " as the old saying goes.
Here in Erie people will scorn those who sieze the opportunity and give excuses to those that allow it to happen. I say shame on those who have allowed their lives to deteriorate to such a sorry state that they fail to realize what has happened to them.
Now let's be clear on something because you know my statements will be twisted as coming from a cold and cruel hearted man ! Let's recognize that there certainly are those who fall into the category of the " truly needy ". You know who they are. The old arthritic widow who can't fend for herself anymore. The father who suffered a stroke or a devastating accident who can't make the mortgage payments and feed his family. The family with a special needs child that requires a huge amount of costly care. This list can expand to many examples which we don't have time for here.
The point is, yes, yes, and yes there are indeed those who without question need and deserve our collective help.
That said, there are also many more supposed "people in need" who have, by virtue of their own neglect, made the bed they now lie in.
The household that pays little to no attention to their kids behaviors, their education, or even knowing or caring where the hell they are most of the time. The people who turn their up their nose to the responsibility of furthering their own education and those who made it their business to screw off in school when they were younger. This town is full of these people. They had opportunities but fell into the old Erie trap..... "nothing will change, your high school diploma will be good enough, your job will aways be there for you, and if times should get tough..... it'll be up to someone else to make it all better for me".
That's Erie in a nut shell. What allowed them to get by years ago no longer works. It hasn't for a long time but Erie always felt that it was " special " in some way and would never be touched by reality. The good old days are indeed over. The hard evidence is all around but Erie, in predicitable fashion refuses to see it. More likely, Erie doesn't possess the capability to see it. And so it rots.
Eric from Solon

Brook Park, OH

#27 Sep 27, 2013
An Apple Store in the West Erie Plaza? I want whatever you're drinking, because its powerful.
Trevor

Pioneer, OH

#28 Sep 27, 2013
Eric from Solon wrote:
An Apple Store in the West Erie Plaza? I want whatever you're drinking, because its powerful.
probably hard cider ...
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#29 Sep 27, 2013
Eric from Solon wrote:
An Apple Store in the West Erie Plaza? I want whatever you're drinking, because its powerful.
Ha, ha! I named Apple store because people complain about all the discount stores around here. I was trying to come up with something less nickle and dime!
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#30 Sep 27, 2013
Trevor wrote:
<quoted text>probably hard cider ...
Hard Apple store cider
tyred

Erie, PA

#31 Sep 28, 2013
If West Erie Plaza is in Millcreek, then look for apartments to replace stores. Apartments, particularly subsidized apartments will get families from Erie.

If West Erie Plaza is in Erie City, then look for Assisted Living (Old Folks), since nobody in their right minds with school aged kids will buy/rent in Erie.

Retail is starting to look as dead as manufacturing.
So it's Healthcare or Housing....
(Or maybe a Scott owned theme park....)
Trevor

Pioneer, OH

#32 Sep 28, 2013
make west erie plaza bigger... they will come. Just like the runway... eriesize it !
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#34 Sep 30, 2013
Nasty wrote:
<quoted text>
Do I think the "powers that be" take advantage of the apathy around here ?
Of course they do ! And for those that don't I say they are fools not to ! I would do the same if I were in their shoes. " A fool and his money are soon parted " as the old saying goes.
Here in Erie people will scorn those who sieze the opportunity and give excuses to those that allow it to happen.
I think you misunderstood me. I am not talking about people who take advantage of opportunities that other people fail to. Like educational, job, career, etc. I am talking about con artists who come to town and get checks for phantom juice plants, grant money for this and that, all of these Erie Together Poverty Agenda 2000 Community committees that keep paying $100K for someone to tell us what Erie needs to do to get it together. Even our criminals and drug dealers are imported from Detroit!
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#35 Sep 30, 2013
Trevor wrote:
make west erie plaza bigger... they will come. Just like the runway... eriesize it !
I was just optimistic that they would bring new business to the WEP, not take existing businesses and move them to other places. Spread some of that Peach Jam around town! WEP would be a good location for a call center, and then some stores for the employees to shop at (restaurants, clothing, shoe stores, etc.)
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#36 Sep 30, 2013
Nasty wrote:
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Do I think the "powers that be" take advantage of the apathy around here ?
Another example of this is the Edial Marketing fiasco! One of our own ripped us off because he knew he could.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#37 Sep 30, 2013
Valerios Subway Barbatos wrote:
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I think you misunderstood me. I am not talking about people who take advantage of opportunities that other people fail to. Like educational, job, career, etc. I am talking about con artists who come to town and get checks for phantom juice plants, grant money for this and that, all of these Erie Together Poverty Agenda 2000 Community committees that keep paying $100K for someone to tell us what Erie needs to do to get it together. Even our criminals and drug dealers are imported from Detroit!
In the case of the con artists such as the Herb Fiss juice plant fiasco, this was a scam utilizing Erie as easy prey. A town so pathetically desparate for anything will allow itself to be easily duped as Erie has been. Put another way, if Erie was better educated, more business savvy, and stronger economically, situations like Mr. Fiss playing Erie as a fool would be a far less likely scenerio. But, as stated so often before, Erie has collectively sat back and allowed much of what has destroyed itself. And it will continue to do so till the bitter end. Erie lacks the required intellect and good judgment to raise itself back up. But hey, how about those Smith's hot dogs huh ?!
Whatever

Erie, PA

#38 Sep 30, 2013
Nasty wrote:
<quoted text>
In the case of the con artists such as the Herb Fiss juice plant fiasco, this was a scam utilizing Erie as easy prey. A town so pathetically desparate for anything will allow itself to be easily duped as Erie has been. Put another way, if Erie was better educated, more business savvy, and stronger economically, situations like Mr. Fiss playing Erie as a fool would be a far less likely scenerio. But, as stated so often before, Erie has collectively sat back and allowed much of what has destroyed itself. And it will continue to do so till the bitter end. Erie lacks the required intellect and good judgment to raise itself back up. But hey, how about those Smith's hot dogs huh ?!
Why are you such a pouty puss all the time! No one said Erie was a perfect utopia to live in. A lot of my family and friends live here and they do not complain about Erie. You must have that "Chronic Whiner Syndrome." If you hate it here so much then move to a more progressive city and take your negativity with you.
Bell Kaufmann

Elizabeth, PA

#39 Oct 1, 2013
I remember when I lived in Erie in the mid-70s, West Erie Plaza was the place to go. It had three department stores: Boston Store, Carlisle's and Halle's. It had a big G C Murphy store, Candyland Book City, Thrift Drug, the theater, and lots of smaller stores. It was stillgoing strong for a few years after the Millcreek Mall opened, but things went downhill by the late 80s.
Whatever

Erie, PA

#40 Oct 1, 2013
Another reason that the plaza went to crap is because the developers that owned it last were not local and they did not care what the plaza looked like as long as the tenants paid the rent. The current developers that just bought the plaza a year or two ago want high end stores and boutiques to replace the discount stores. So far I know that a physical therapy office and well known sub shop franchise are future tenants. If any of the current tenants do not fix up the space they are renting to fit the standards of the developers they are eventually going to get the boot.
Kaufmann Bell

Titusville, PA

#41 Oct 1, 2013
Bell Kaufmann wrote:
I remember when I lived in Erie in the mid-70s, West Erie Plaza was the place to go. It had three department stores: Boston Store, Carlisle's and Halle's. It had a big G C Murphy store, Candyland Book City, Thrift Drug, the theater, and lots of smaller stores. It was stillgoing strong for a few years after the Millcreek Mall opened, but things went downhill by the late 80s.
Too much time for you perusing the gay porn at Candyland Book City.
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#42 Oct 1, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you such a pouty puss all the time! No one said Erie was a perfect utopia to live in. A lot of my family and friends live here and they do not complain about Erie. You must have that "Chronic Whiner Syndrome." If you hate it here so much then move to a more progressive city and take your negativity with you.
Pouty puss ? Good one. No one expects Erie to be a " perfect utopia ". I doubt any place is. But Erie has fallen hard and can no longer get up. Even you have to admit to that.
As for your friends and family living here and not complaining....that's because they've accepted the downfall, they're ok with watching Erie grow older, poorer, and dumber with each passing year. So be it if that works for them. For me, the demise of Erie, in the hands of a such an ignorant and inattentive populace provides endless comedy entertainment as people here live in a perpetual "Ground Hog Day" of recycling the same old misteps over and over again.
I have the luxury of being able to sit above it all and escape the asylum as needed. The best of both worlds you might say. Arrogance ? You bet. But then I make no apologies or manufacture guilt for having taken the steps to elevate beyond Erie's forever downward swirl. What a pouty puss I am.
Whatever

Erie, PA

#43 Oct 1, 2013
Keep on whining windbag. No one cares.

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