Gabriel Brothers to leave West Erie P...

Gabriel Brothers to leave West Erie Plaza, move to Summit

There are 70 comments on the Erie Times News story from Sep 25, 2013, titled Gabriel Brothers to leave West Erie Plaza, move to Summit. In it, Erie Times News reports that:

Gabriel Brothers, the discount clothing store, is moving out of the West Erie Plaza and into a new location in Summit Township, dealing another blow to the struggling Millcreek Township shopping center.

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thissitesucks

Erie, PA

#1 Sep 26, 2013
Economic development!
Economics Major

United States

#2 Sep 26, 2013
Rule #1......Gotta go where the customers are !
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#3 Sep 26, 2013
But you can eat subs from Jimmy John's! Maybe they should replace all those former Quizno's that didn't last very long in Erie!
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#4 Sep 26, 2013
Economics Major wrote:
Rule #1......Gotta go where the customers are !
No, the customers go where the businesses are. West Erie Plaza should just be razed. Nothing left there, and now a major anchor is gone. It would be nice if there were more variety of businesses in the city, we can't have a Krispy Kreme downtown? Guess not, might take away space for a future bar. But you'd think that Joe Donuts would want more donut establishments closer to work.
Trevor

Pioneer, OH

#5 Sep 26, 2013
the bathtub ring continues to drop with the tide in erie... the slime goes east
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#6 Sep 26, 2013
Nasty might chime in, given that he loves to talk about how Erieites roll over and take it up the bum with no lube, how we piece together 3-4 minimum wage jobs because we're tough!

But I ask this question: is it just me or are the majority of people around here apathetic and don't care, and that makes it easy for a small group of people to take advantage of that for their own gain. Like all of these groups, and people getting paid a lot of money to "help Erie" turn things around, etc?
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#7 Sep 26, 2013
When I first came home from college, over 10 years ago, Erie was in a state of decay. Much of the old was leaving, closing up shop: International Paper, different retail stores, etc. I use to count the abandoned buildings on State Street anytime I went downtown. The mall even had empty storefronts.

But, even though we were decaying, there were more opportunities than there is now. At the very least, you could go to West/Telatron/Verizon and get a job very easily. West is closed, Telatron is called Agility and apparently isn't doing very well, and when was the last time Verizon hired? I remember the big ads that West and Telatron ran every Sunday in the paper, they hired every day/week.

Let's not talk about all the shops that have left!

Even downtown Erie, you always had crazy people motoring about, the kinds who might tell you their life story or ask for spare change, but now the whole atmosphere has changed. The types of crazies downtown make me, a city person, more cautious.

All our city leaders seem to be doing is focusing on the appearances of the city. Lets sweep the "dirt" under the rug! Let's pretend that things aren't as bad as they are! Let's pretend like we are actually doing something about the unemployment, crime, lack of education, etc.

Let's build a new East High!
Let's make a food court at the mall!
Let's put curb bumpouts!
Let's spruce up Perry Square!
Let's build expensive condos!

All of these changes are about keeping up appearances. Has the new East building improved the quality of the education at that school? Weren't there some very high illiteracy rates published in the Times a while back?
Has the food court and neon lights at the mall created high paying jobs? Have the curb bumpouts made people want to shop downtown? Has nice looking Perry Square stopped crime downtown? Have those expensive condos been filled?

The changes in Erie is like someone with bad breath gargling with Listerine instead of brushing and flossing their teeth, and keeping regular appts with the dentist! They keep covering up the "funk" while the decay continues!

I don't know about you, but I would rather live in a Erie that wasn't very pretty on the outside, but had jobs, stability on the inside.

Off soapbox!
Trevor

Pioneer, OH

#8 Sep 26, 2013
Valerios for Mayor... or at the very least Head Start administrator .
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#9 Sep 26, 2013
Trevor wrote:
Valerios for Mayor... or at the very least Head Start administrator .
Is that a compliment or an insult, lol!
Nasty

Fairview, PA

#10 Sep 26, 2013
Valerios Subway Barbatos wrote:
Nasty might chime in, given that he loves to talk about how Erieites roll over and take it up the bum with no lube, how we piece together 3-4 minimum wage jobs because we're tough!
But I ask this question: is it just me or are the majority of people around here apathetic and don't care, and that makes it easy for a small group of people to take advantage of that for their own gain. Like all of these groups, and people getting paid a lot of money to "help Erie" turn things around, etc?
You rang ? Hey, you're stealing my thunder ! But I'm glad somebody seems to notice the hard truth about Erie and the surrounding area. It's been a long, slow boil and the steam can't be put back into the pot. Very simply, Erie has allowed and gotten used to.... no make that comfortable with.... the years of piled up rot and decay that now defines their hometown.
It all starts within each and every home, each and ever family or whatever constitutes a family these days. There no longer exists enough personal pride, parental instruction toward expectations of appropriate behaviors, education, and respect of others and their properties. No amount of special fundings or social programs can make up for the ocean sized void created by massive inattention to raising the next generation to be well informed, educated and productive citizens. It's all about the immediate now. What's in it for me this moment,everything else be damned.
What you see with the dilapidated West Erie Plaza and so many other places around here is exactly what was bound to happen and will keep happening because Erie does not possess the will or the collective intelligence to know how to recognize these problems. They just sit back and wait. And wait for what ? For someone else to "fix it" for them ? Yup!
As I've said countless times, the best and brightest of the young folks know better and most of them get away and very few return. Like wise, not many bright young people are breaking down the gates to get in from the outside either. If this were not true then you'd see the census increase each year wouldn't you ? But you don't.
So there you have it once again. Erie is left with the scraps of education, infrastructure, leadership, discount stores, pizza shops, low end jobs, and an alarming ignorant populace that not only accepts their progressive demise they in fact accept it. If that were not true then you'd think they would have collectively done something about it a long time ago. But they didn't because they're not intellectually capable of that.
I hope that has helped you.
Trevor

Pioneer, OH

#11 Sep 26, 2013
Valerios Subway Barbatos wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that a compliment or an insult, lol!
a compliment.. politics and head start are not the solutions to eries problems...you got's to get some new blood in that town
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#12 Sep 26, 2013
I knew you would chime in! I don't agree with everything you say, and sometimes how you say it, but you are right about the general vibe/attitude around here. Do you think that the "powers that be" take advantage of the apathy around here?

I wish others would voice their opinion! I will keep checking this thread throughout the day.
Nasty wrote:
<quoted text>
You rang ? Hey, you're stealing my thunder ! But I'm glad somebody seems to notice the hard truth about Erie and the surrounding area. It's been a long, slow boil and the steam can't be put back into the pot. Very simply, Erie has allowed and gotten used to.... no make that comfortable with.... the years of piled up rot and decay that now defines their hometown.
It all starts within each and every home, each and ever family or whatever constitutes a family these days. There no longer exists enough personal pride, parental instruction toward expectations of appropriate behaviors, education, and respect of others and their properties. No amount of special fundings or social programs can make up for the ocean sized void created by massive inattention to raising the next generation to be well informed, educated and productive citizens. It's all about the immediate now. What's in it for me this moment,everything else be damned.
What you see with the dilapidated West Erie Plaza and so many other places around here is exactly what was bound to happen and will keep happening because Erie does not possess the will or the collective intelligence to know how to recognize these problems. They just sit back and wait. And wait for what ? For someone else to "fix it" for them ? Yup!
As I've said countless times, the best and brightest of the young folks know better and most of them get away and very few return. Like wise, not many bright young people are breaking down the gates to get in from the outside either. If this were not true then you'd see the census increase each year wouldn't you ? But you don't.
So there you have it once again. Erie is left with the scraps of education, infrastructure, leadership, discount stores, pizza shops, low end jobs, and an alarming ignorant populace that not only accepts their progressive demise they in fact accept it. If that were not true then you'd think they would have collectively done something about it a long time ago. But they didn't because they're not intellectually capable of that.
I hope that has helped you.
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Erie, PA

#13 Sep 26, 2013
Trevor wrote:
<quoted text> a compliment.. politics and head start are not the solutions to eries problems...you got's to get some new blood in that town
Why thank you! New blood is exactly what is needed here!
cheetos

United States

#16 Sep 26, 2013
A look back 40-50 year ago when the West Erie plaza took business away from State Street, the Millcreek Mall from independent small business owners. It's he normal progression of time. Don't forget to take in consideration of online shopping too.

If you can save gas money, avoid rude salespeople, have it shipped to your front door...why not?

And from a business standpoint, less inventory at multiple locations, less overhead, etc.
mike

Fairview, PA

#17 Sep 26, 2013
put in a huge bar in the west erie plaza.....have a big stage and bring in a national act every weekend with a local cover bands opening...
PETA

Pioneer, OH

#18 Sep 26, 2013
cheetos wrote:
A look back 40-50 year ago when the West Erie plaza took business away from State Street, the Millcreek Mall from independent small business owners. It's he normal progression of time. Don't forget to take in consideration of online shopping too.
If you can save gas money, avoid rude salespeople, have it shipped to your front door...why not?
And from a business standpoint, less inventory at multiple locations, less overhead, etc.
local retailers and restaurants seem to put an effort into alienating their customers... they get what they deserve
Sam

Erie, PA

#19 Sep 26, 2013
Greg Rubino and Baldwin Brothers control most of the retail space in the area. Why don't they rejuvenate the shopping areas in city neighborhoods. There is far more population and buying power withing 2 miles of West Erie Plaza or even Liberty Plaza than 19 and 90. West Erie Plaza is only 5 minutes from Interchange Road and 79.

Of course Summit Township keeps approving more and more development and expects PennDOT to keep paying for more and more lanes, has the State Police patrol the area for free, and has volunteers sacrificing their time and health as first responders. Meanwhile, all of these out of town retailers take the area's money and wire it to out of town banks never to be spent in the area again.

If Erie and Millcreek would work together they could bring retail closer to the center of town instead of continuing to let Marlin Coon create a cranberry township north clusterf*ck by the highway.

If PennDOT stopped widening roads for developers maybe things would be more equitable. It starts with reforming the MPO which is completely unaccountable.

Bottom line: no leadership in Erie County.
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Wattsburg, PA

#20 Sep 27, 2013
It would be nice if they put another Burlington in the West Erie Plaza. A Krispy Kreme. Payless. Dots. Target. Other shoe stores and clothing stores. Maybe an Apple store. Another theater. A Chuckie Cheese type of place or Dave & Busters. Yes, some of these may be discount stores, restaurants, but it would be better than a big empty lot!
Trevor

Pioneer, OH

#21 Sep 27, 2013
Valerios Subway Barbatos wrote:
It would be nice if they put another Burlington in the West Erie Plaza. A Krispy Kreme. Payless. Dots. Target. Other shoe stores and clothing stores. Maybe an Apple store. Another theater. A Chuckie Cheese type of place or Dave & Busters. Yes, some of these may be discount stores, restaurants, but it would be better than a big empty lot!
obama will have to up the welfare checks to support many more retail in this country... then ya gotta buy before the price goes up..
Valerios Subway Barbatos

Wattsburg, PA

#22 Sep 27, 2013
Trevor wrote:
<quoted text>obama will have to up the welfare checks to support many more retail in this country... then ya gotta buy before the price goes up..
That's something that I didn't think about, the fact that these shopping plazas were full back when people actually had jobs and money to shop there! But they could try to at least funnel some of these new businesses into the empty parts of town instead putting everything onto upper Peach. I remember before all of those stores were up there.

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